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Post by ponto on Mar 8, 2021 12:55:08 GMT 10
We don't know the level of her psychosis...until its a known one cannot make assumptions she was a raving lunatic.
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Post by Gort on Mar 8, 2021 13:11:51 GMT 10
We can only hope that the SA Coroner investigates these aspects of her life. That way, no unprecedented "inquiry" would be needed.
I wonder if any of the teachers are still around to give evidence about the Sydney function for example?
So far we have a known bipolar person accusing someone years later without any evidence to verify the claim.
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Post by ponto on Mar 8, 2021 15:32:52 GMT 10
So far there has been documentation of the alleged assault going back to 2013...there may as yet be more to the story come to light...as it is now with things we didn't know before.
And how can people come forward when her name hasn't been disclosed to the public...?
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Post by bender on Mar 8, 2021 20:41:09 GMT 10
Woman drew on counselling before recounting alleged rapeBy David Crowe March 5, 2021 — 7.36pm The woman who accused Attorney-General Christian Porter of rape drew on counselling that she said helped to “resurface” a trauma that she said she had known about for years. The woman’s account of the alleged rape includes her experience of seeking help from psychiatrists and others in 2019, the same time she told friends about the events. Attorney-General Christian Porter denies all allegations raised against him.CREDIT:TREVOR COLLENS But her account makes clear her belief that she “always” remembered the alleged rape and that the help she sought later added to her understanding. The woman alleged the rape took place in Sydney in January 1988 and took her claim to NSW Police in February last year, but the investigation was suspended in June when she took her own life. NSW Police confirmed this week the investigation was closed. Mr Porter has denied the accusation – saying “it just didn’t happen” – and said he intended to remain in his job. But the government is facing calls from Labor, the Greens and crossbenchers for an inquiry into the matter, raising questions about whether such an inquiry would ever reveal a lengthy personal statement the woman wrote. “I have always remembered these things,” she wrote of her allegation that Mr Porter raped her at a college at the University of Sydney. “I had a better understanding of these memories, and only really understood them, once my Sydney based psychologist (who specialises in counselling sexual assault survivors) referred me to The Body Keeps Score: Brain, Mind and Body in the Healing of Trauma in September 2019. “I had not previously heard of it, nor had I read it.” The book was written by Bessel Van Der Kolk, a psychiatrist at Harvard Medical School before he founded the Trauma Centre in Massachusetts, which he led for 35 years. The woman described Dr Van Der Kolk’s book as part of the process in her recounting the allegations. “Bessel Van Der Kolk explains that, for survivors of torture and trauma (whether physical, psychological and/or sexual) our bodies will store traumatic events and only allow them to resurface when our minds are able to examine them, usually several decades later,” she wrote. “My Adelaide-based psychiatrist confirmed that these are ‘somatic memories’ (i.e. lodged in the body rather than the brain, although the mind can access them) in an appointment in late 2019.” The woman also wrote that her account was based on “near contemporaneous” notes of the rape based on information from 1989, 1991 and 1992. Her written account includes several appendices with what she describes as details from the time of the alleged rape. The document was sent with an anonymous letter to Liberal backbencher Celia Hammond on Wednesday, February 24, and she referred the claims to the Australian Federal Police and the Prime Minister’s Office. Prime Minister Scott Morrison raised the accusations with Mr Porter that Wednesday night but neither of them read the document. Dr Van der Kolk’s book was a New York Times best-seller and the Trauma Centre trained thousands of mental health professionals, but his approach has been the subject of dispute. The New York Times described him as a leading defender of repressed-memory therapy during the 1990s, when he was an expert witness in sexual abuse cases and argued that victims could suppress all memory of that trauma until recalling it many years later. Richard McNally, the Professor of Psychology at Harvard University, rejected the case for repressed memory in his 2005 book, Remembering Trauma. www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/woman-drew-on-counselling-before-recounting-alleged-rape-20210305-p578at.htmlIn other words - she was a nut-job. Gort the article is clearly incorrect. The woman told people about it years ago, she made diary entries about it in 1991. Your belief that the woman suddenly recalled the assault after reading a book a couple of years ago is quite simply contradicted by the facts.
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Post by Gort on Mar 8, 2021 22:49:41 GMT 10
It is not my belief that the woman suddenly recalled the assault after reading a book a couple of years ago ... my complaint is that the therapy she had in 2019 made her believe her extremely odd thoughts were true.
She was clearly mentally ill. A diagnosed bipolar sufferer.
I would need to read witness accounts from 1988 to change my mind and I hope that the SA coroner will shed more light on her circumstances.
I find it highly unlikely that the event organisers would have let a 16 year old girl and a 17 year old boy get into a room together.
I think back to school camps I attended in the 1970s and there is just no way such a thing could happen, we were very strictly supervised.
What say the other attendees? What say the event organisers? What say the teachers? These are things the coroner might pursue.
He should at least report on the many years of mental illness treatment she received and the nature of bipolar disorder.
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Post by ponto on Mar 9, 2021 1:31:12 GMT 10
After watching 4 corners there is little doubt a public inquiry has to be made otherwise there will be always a cloud over Porter.
Clearly the girl Kate wasn't mentally ill at the time of the alleged assault, she was of bright intelligence, shy but confident, and it was thought at the time she would be good PM material.
They were left alone to iron Porters shirts in her room unsupervised.
KATE STATEMENT (ACTOR’S VOICE): He told me, while I was ironing his shirt, that I would make “make someone a wonderful wife one day”.
Not only was I “smart and pretty” but I could do all the “housewife things”.
He went on to boast that he would need a smart, pretty wife, to help his political career, and that he would be Prime Minister one day.
By the age of 50, was his prediction as I remember it now.....https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/bursting-the-canberra-bubble/13227810
Your own experiences Gort doesn't reflect what happened on Sydney Uni campus back in 1988, school camps are not Uni campuses.
After a formal dinner there was dancing and alcohol, partying on until the early hours suckin' piss, and where she claims early morn Porter walked her back to her room as she was drunk, he came into the room a turned into a monster, he doesn't deny walking her back or dancing. Other 2 people on debate team had left earlier.
Judging by her photos at the time of the debate, prim long dresses worn by Christian private schools, bob haircut if such a girl was raped it would have been a traumatic event....and description of Porter when a lad was rowdy, aggressively ambitious.
Kate also claims she met Porter again in 1994 at a WA uni historical association meeting.
A denial by known sleazebag misogynist writings in magazines Porter statements alone is not enough to clear his name.
Indeed while Kate having been a victim of a rape crime may have been the trigger factor that brought down her promising prospects....as she seemingly went down hill mentally after the time of Sydney debate.
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Post by bender on Mar 9, 2021 4:36:34 GMT 10
It is not my belief that the woman suddenly recalled the assault after reading a book a couple of years ago ... my complaint is that the therapy she had in 2019 made her believe her extremely odd thoughts were true. She was clearly mentally ill. A diagnosed bipolar sufferer. I would need to read witness accounts from 1988 to change my mind and I hope that the SA coroner will shed more light on her circumstances. I find it highly unlikely that the event organisers would have let a 16 year old girl and a 17 year old boy get into a room together. I think back to school camps I attended in the 1970s and there is just no way such a thing could happen, we were very strictly supervised. What say the other attendees? What say the event organisers? What say the teachers? These are things the coroner might pursue. He should at least report on the many years of mental illness treatment she received and the nature of bipolar disorder. Let's look at the reasons that Gort has given for why this can't be true. He was told at Teachers College in the 70's that it was very common for students to lay false complaints against teachers for sexual assault. He can't believe that a boy could have managed to successfully enter a girls dorm after hours at a school event. He doesn't believe it's true because he believes repressed memories are bullshit despite the fact that the woman's claims are not the result of repressed memories. He doesn't believe it's true because the complainant has since the event experienced mental illness. Gort none of your reasons hold water as justification to simply disbelieve this woman's allegation. They don't hold water full stop. Despite your belief that it's common for students to lay false allegations against teachers you were unable to name one case you were personally aware of. Mental Illness has nothing to do with the veracity of a persons ability to make a complaint of sexual assault. He was wrong about his claims regarding repressed memories. Gort nothing will change your mind. As each claim you make gets disproved you simply forget about it and move on to your next wacky justification with the same adroitness of a QANON supporter waiting for the Storm.
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Post by ponto on Mar 9, 2021 6:27:10 GMT 10
He's mentally ill....he votes LNP.
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Post by pim on Mar 9, 2021 7:29:30 GMT 10
Holy franking credits
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Post by Gort on Mar 9, 2021 9:46:01 GMT 10
Repulsive Pim; Mind Bender and Ponts, I have better things to do than constantly respond to personal attacks which is what you all live for. Sorting out my parents' effects and repainting the house for example. In the meantime: You'll all have to concentrate your attacks on Stellar, Occam's and Matte for a while. Have fun.
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Post by pim on Mar 9, 2021 10:12:54 GMT 10
Oh the treacle from Trickles ...
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Post by ponto on Mar 9, 2021 12:01:04 GMT 10
Paintin'...??...well that's a tedious chore....I am currently digging trenches for drainage in preparation for paving a courtyard....so much for retirement.
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Post by bender on Mar 9, 2021 12:20:40 GMT 10
You've really got to laugh at Gort. He posts post after post accusing a woman who has alleged she was raped, a woman who he has never met and doesn't know of fabricating her claims, of being "a nutbag". He's tried to dismiss her claims by claiming that it just wouldn't be possible for a teenage boy to make it into a girls dorm after hours.
Yet in his mind, he's the true victim here...…..
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Post by ponto on Mar 9, 2021 12:56:57 GMT 10
Sexual assault can cause trauma and mental health issues,....getting drunk getting laid is a rite of passage in the old days.
Then there is the fact two ministers when things are not so good for them and the heats on, can up and take indefinite mental health leave just like that, caring not about the mental health issues inflicted upon thousands with their Robo Debt that Porter and brethren placed upon the poor and vulnerable while the rich get tax cuts.
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Post by bender on Mar 9, 2021 13:02:26 GMT 10
The Robodebt case is an interesting comparison because Porter was one of its architects. Porter had no problem with the Government judging people guilty and then forcing them to prove their innocence in a deeply flawed exercise that caused many people grave harm and was ultimately found to be unlawful.
It appears that the approach he advocated for others to be subjected to is one that he believes would cause the destruction of the entire legal system in Australia.
If that is, it's applied to him......
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Post by pim on Mar 9, 2021 13:04:10 GMT 10
Unwittingly (I'm feeling kind) Trickles confirms all the stereotypes of victims not being believed. A woman comes forward and claims to have been raped years ago by a man who currently holds high office in the land. The alleged rape occurred when both of them were teenagers and long before the man became a public figure. That the woman subsequently struggled emotionally is confirmed by credible sources who knew her personally. So she suffered and tragically ended up taking her own life.
Trickles' dismissive response, delivered with contempt for the woman: she was a "nutjob".
And so saying, Trickles flounces off claiming to be a "victim".
Unbelievable.
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Post by pim on Mar 10, 2021 15:23:58 GMT 10
My week in the eye of the Porter storm — and what men just don’t get
Michael Bradley 10 March 2021 Crikey
Michael Bradley was the lawyer representing the woman at the centre of historical rape allegations against Christian Porter. Porter denies the allegations. The women took her own life last year.
The media has been divided over the Christian Porter story. And more often than not, which side a journalist sits on seems to come down to their gender. After a week or so of madness, there is time to pause and reflect. I have spoken with a vast array of media people as the Christian Porter story unfolded, been asked 1000 questions and mostly replied with: “I can’t comment on that.”
I have some observations.
Like all society-shaking stories, this one is playing out at two levels: cognitive and emotional. The media’s open narrative has focused on the true crime saga, the attendant morality play and the deeply and deliberately confused debate over the rule of law.
Beneath that has been a clash of the subconscious, almost precisely gendered. On one side of the media’s gender divide: barely concealed rage, frustration and determination to call out the culture of acceptance around sexual violence. On the other, what I’d describe simply as mystification. Why, the men ask rhetorically (because they’re not listening to the answer), are the women so angry and upset?
Of course, not all women, and not all men. The patriarchy has its female supporters, just as the revolution has male allies. And the men v women dichotomy both obscures the equally entrenched and unexamined problem of male-on-male sexual violence, and ignores completely the non-binary population.
However, the media is binary and there is a clear (albeit slightly generalised) divide between its male and female parts on this subject. That, anyway, is my observation from what I’ve experienced.
I don’t speak for any women and will not attempt to mansplain their emotions. What I can say is that, of all the visceral impacts I have felt over the past week, the most profound has been the surfacing and resurfacing of traumatic experiences, coming from pretty much every woman I’ve encountered.
What I detect, I think, is an undercurrent of unreported trauma, which gives me a clue to the scope and scale of the endless pandemic of sexual violence in our society, almost exclusively perpetrated by men and overwhelmingly inflicted on women.
Among men of the media, and not just the old ones, I have seen and heard expressions of dismay. Yes, they say, we abhor sexual violence wherever it appears. But surely we must resist the temptation to let loose the vigilante mob? Our very civilisation is at stake, all we have built since Alfred the Great.
Being a patriot to the rule of law myself, I get that. However, there’s an emotional content in the male response which is obscuring the logical argument. It’s called privilege, or rather the fear of loss of privilege.
The system — by which I mean all systems, legal, political and media — was designed and built before women had a pass to get into the building. To take one example, the criminal justice system was not designed with rape in mind, because men don’t much get raped.
The system entrenches male privilege and operates organically to shore it up. Women, being half the population and currently quite angry, represent an existential threat to the system. Men, who have always effortlessly thrived in the system without ever having to contemplate that their progress might be stalled or stopped by such a random element as their gender, are feeling suddenly somewhat at risk.
Thus the resort to shibboleths like the rule of law. The irony, that these same men routinely discard such sacred cows whenever it suits them but now insist that they have sacred force, is only infuriating the non-privileged half all the more. The result is a lot of shouting.
So it is that a perfectly rational male journalist of wide experience and solid sensitivity can sincerely say that, while he understands and supports the call for change in how we listen to and address the experiences of sexual violence survivors, what about if the man being accused was him? Shouldn’t we all spare a thought for him?
Well, no. For two reasons. First, there is no evidence that false reports of rape are more than a negligibly tiny phenomenon. Second, the best research indicates that if a man commits a rape there is a 0.71% chance that he will be reported, arrested, prosecuted and convicted. This means, in statistical reality, that it is a crime he will almost certainly get away with.
Those are the facts of system failure. Men built the system and still, by and large, run it. We have forfeited our right to resist its demolition and replacement with something better. We should get out of the way.
Michael Bradley is a freelance writer and managing partner at Sydney firm Marque Lawyers, which was created in 2008 with the singular ambition of completely changing the way law is practised.
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Post by ponto on Mar 11, 2021 22:42:00 GMT 10
2017....and questions were raised back then about young conservative's being racists and sexist...https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/the-conservative-young-men-who-need-a-trigger-warning-when-women-are-around-20170430-gvvxxj.html
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Post by Stellar on Mar 22, 2021 14:39:34 GMT 10
A former housemate of the man accused of raping former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins has told police he made unwanted sexual advances towards her during the time they lived together.
Kriti Gupta has given a statement to New South Wales police alleging the incidents occurred when they were living as housemates in an apartment in Sydney.
She has since given a statement to the Australian Federal Police, who are investigating the Higgins case.
She told police the man made unwanted advances when he drank, which was why she did not drink more than one or two drinks in his presence.
"If we ever drank together, I would only ever have one glass of wine, one or two, so I was still in control," she said.
Sensible girl. Being in control. My story exactly! Time for parents to instruct their daughters on how to behave. Time for parents to instruct their sons on being respectful.
It's easy really. If I can bring up decent sons as a divorced mother, so can others. We had standards in our family. That's the problem when others don't.
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Post by ponto on Mar 22, 2021 17:40:24 GMT 10
Its just drunken debauchery down in the Canberra bubble....especially on the coalition female MP's desk.
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Post by pim on Mar 25, 2021 23:09:00 GMT 10
Morrison Sits Down With Wife To Determine Whether Masturbating On Female MP’s Desk Is Appropriate Or Notwww.theshovel.com.au/2021/03/23/morrison-wife-masturbating-desk-appropriate/Prime Minister Scott Morrison has called an urgent meeting with wife Jenny to seek clarification about whether a Liberal staffer filming himself wanking over a female MP’s desk was a good thing or a bad thing. “We sat down last night and I sought her opinion, as I do on anything requiring emotional intelligence,” the Prime Minister explained. “And she said, ‘Are you fucking mental? A man got his dick out in a woman’s office, filmed it, and then shared it with his mates. In what world is this even remotely something you’d need to seek advice on you absolute fucking nonce’. Jenny always has a way of clarifying things”. Mr Morrison said he had taken Jenny’s advice to think about this as a father first. “This morning I’ve been thinking to myself, what if that desk was my daughter’s desk? I’d probably have to buy a new desk, which could be quite expensive. That’s unfair on the father – I can see that now”.
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Post by pim on Mar 25, 2021 23:14:33 GMT 10
New-Look Morrison Promises To Cover Up Rapes More Respectfully From Now Onwww.theshovel.com.au/2021/03/24/new-look-morrison-promises-to-cover-up-rapes-more-respectfully-from-now-on/An emotional Scott Morrison says he has listened and learned and will be more respectful when covering up sexual assaults that take place in his workplace from now on. “We all have to do better on how we cover up crimes,” Mr Morrison said at a special press conference yesterday. “We need to think about the language we use. Is there another way of saying ‘get the office steam cleaned immediately and make sure this never gets out’? Is there a more courteous way to background against a victim’s partner? We need to ask these tough questions of ourselves”. He said women are sick and tired of being ignored. “We need to listen to what they have to say and only then begin the process of suppressing and diverting attention away from their issue. We owe them that. “I know all this because I have a mother”.
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Post by ponto on Mar 26, 2021 6:14:54 GMT 10
Politics with wine, debauchery and orgies....no doubt Caligula would approve.
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Post by caskur on Mar 28, 2021 3:59:05 GMT 10
Nothing is going to change.
I'm so glad I don't have a daughter. I'd be sick with worry if I did.
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Post by pim on Mar 28, 2021 6:10:26 GMT 10
Andrew Bolt: 7 Reasons Why The Desk’s Claim That It Was Masturbated On Should Be Questionedwww.theshovel.com.au/2021/03/23/andrew-bolt-7-reasons-why-the-desks-claim-that-it-was-masturbated-on-should-be-questioned/A liberal staffer is accused of performing a sex act on a female MPs desk, and within hours he’s lost his job. That’s how the rabid media works these days. Cheering on the downfall of an innocent man until they get their way. This is the mob at work, where proof doesn’t matter and facts that don’t suit get played down or suppressed. But let’s stop for a moment to consider what really happened on the night in question. Was the desk really defiled by this man? Maybe. But maybe not. Let’s be brave enough to ask some probing questions about this sordid affair. What was the desk doing in the MP’s office in the first place? Don’t you think it’s strange that a desk would be in Parliament House, alone late at night? What was it doing there? Did it have security clearance? Or was their an ulterior motive? Why didn’t the desk report this at the time of the incident? It’s very convenient that this is released to the media now. Just as the government is getting on top of its other sex scandals. If this really happened, why wasn’t it reported to police at the time? Was the desk drunk? We’re not supposed to ask this question, according to PC culture. But these things matter. Had the desk been drinking? And if so, how much? Even if this did occur, how do we know the desk didn’t consent? This is the problem with these issues. It’s he said/desk said. Maybe the desk wanted to be ejaculated over. If we’d had a proper process – like a consent app – we’d know. Is this just a simple case of regret? The desk wakes up the next morning, regrets what it’s done and now takes it out on this poor man, ruining his career in the process. We’ve seen it a hundred times before. Why didn’t the desk just leave the MP’s office? It’s got functioning legs. If it didn’t like it, why didn’t it leave? Isn’t it more likely that it wanted to be there all along? And was the desk even Australian anyway? Why was the desk out alone? I’m sorry, but desks need to take responsibility sometimes. Why was it out alone at night in a place as dangerous as Parliament House?
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