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Post by Gort on Mar 5, 2021 22:56:04 GMT 10
Hopefully, all this psychiatric repressed memory shit will come out in the SA coroner's report.
Case closed.
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Post by ponto on Mar 6, 2021 7:24:26 GMT 10
Repressed memories are dodgy, this is case not of children repressing torture and sexual abuse that occurred over a long time....its sus that a one off incident is repressed for over 40 years and then reading a book brings out a memory that cannot be substantiated with no corroboration.
We the judge and juror's of this board need to know more of the woman's background and history...it may have been a implanted memory and after writing a detailed report of a rape incident that derives from a repressed memory she may have troubled by it enough to commit suicide .
There has to be an inquiry into her life to derive at a full picture...was she successful in life, did mental issues cause a unhappy life, is their video evidence of her counselling sessions, when did signs of mental illness start to surface..??
To be sure all the buried rorting conducted by the LNP is not from repressed memories....an inquiry royal commission needs to happen as to why there is public mental illness that makes people forget and bury LNP crimes, this is a form of socially conducted mental illness that is repressing memories and sane thinking which will traumatise lives in the future....resulting in 'I must have been nuts to vote for these mongrels'...!!
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Post by Gort on Mar 6, 2021 9:25:23 GMT 10
It's good that this information about repressed memory therapy has come out. That is a controversial* treatment. * A word which here means: discredited quackery. Apologies to Daniel Handler AKA Lemony Snicket. Politically, the Libs could probably have got away with the comparison to the Bill Shorten case. Good ol' Bill eh? The gift to the Libs that keeps on giving. However, with this latest news about repressed memory therapy, the case against Porter is very very much weakened. Who'd have thunk it? The Coalition could come out of these last few weeks with quite little medium-term damage.
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2021 11:10:36 GMT 10
Meanwhile, the women aren’t fooled by the attempt at the straw man distraction to get people talking about a controversial psychiatric therapy instead of talking about the ingrained culture of misogyny within Australian political life culminating in allegations of historical crimes of rape as well as more recent alleged criminal actions within the precincts of the citadel of Australian democracy itself, the Parliament of Australia.
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Post by Gort on Mar 6, 2021 11:13:45 GMT 10
Yes the #MeToo movement has picked up pace lately. Funny ... I recall #MeToo copping a load of disparaging remarks from Pimbotomy a while ago. Remember that quoting of an article from a French dame about how "OK" it was for uninvited touching and "stealing a kiss"?
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2021 12:16:25 GMT 10
Another straw man, or straw woman? Once again Trickles reaches into his dirt file and pulls out an English translation of an article in French in the conservative Paris newspaper Le Figaro showing a public letter penned by veteran actress and still a screen goddess Catherine Deneuve, who is up there in Europe as a screen goddess along with that other great goddess in the European screen goddess pantheon, Sophia Loren. Deneuve is now in her 80s, still divine looking and still acting. When she speaks, French women listen. Her open letter, signed by I think from memory 50 other French female artists and intellectuals (I could be wrong on the number, it could be more) challenged the premise of the #Me Too movement as an Anglo Saxon phenomenon and counterposed what she called “Le droit d’importuner” which means the right (of a man) to “importune” a woman by flirting. What she referred to as flirting, Anglo Saxon women according to Deneuve called sexual harassment and even rape. As someone who reads quite a lot in French and who gives conversation/discussion classes in French at the U3A, in which women make up the great majority of participants, this article caught my eye and I used it as the basis of a discussion in French with my U3A group. And a fruitful discussion it was since the members of my U3A group tend to be middle class university educated Anglo Australian women who are well-travelled and who have mastered sufficient French to be able to hold their own in a conversation. I didn’t post it to blow smoke over the #Me Too movement. Trust you to imply that I did. But enough of Trickles’ repeated attempts at a straw man distraction. This is not a political bump in the road for Scotty from Marketing. Read Katharine Murphy in today’s Guardian www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/06/canberras-pale-stale-and-male-tribe-is-missing-the-moment-as-it-did-with-julia-gillards-misogyny-speech?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Post by Gort on Mar 6, 2021 12:32:25 GMT 10
... I didn’t post it to blow smoke over the #Me Too movement. Trust you to imply that I did. ... Oh but you did. Would you like me to re-post those remarks where you called the #MeToo movement bullshit? Here's one: The bullshit at the core of "Me Too" Harvey Weinstein gets it in the neck, the media and the establishment cockroaches smell blood and in no time at all everyone's in on the act of kicking the shit out of Harvey Weinstein. And fair enough too. The guy's a scumbag. But hang on! Didn't the American electoral process with its electoral colleges and "battleground states" throw up a misogynist scumbag to outclass all misogynist scumbags? The Pussy Grabber extraordinaire? So Weinstein gets .... but Trump doesn’t ... Something not right here. The old bullshit detection meter is going off the scale Then you posted this: Catherine Deneuve says men should be 'free to hit on' womenFrench actor signs open letter that claims ‘witch-hunt’ in wake of Harvey Weinstein scandal poses threat to sexual freedomwww.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/09/catherine-deneuve-men-should-be-free-hit-on-women-harvey-weinstein-scandalCatherine Deneuve: ‘I don’t think it is the right method to change things, it is excessive.’The revered French actor Catherine Deneuve has hit out at a new “puritanism” sparked by sexual harassment scandals, declaring that men should be “free to hit on” women. Deneuve was one of about 100 female French writers, performers and academics who wrote an open letter deploring the wave of “denunciations” that has followed claims that the Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein raped and sexually assaulted women over decades. They claimed the “witch-hunt” that followed threatens sexual freedom. “Rape is a crime, but trying to seduce someone, even persistently or cack-handedly, is not – nor is men being gentlemanly a macho attack,” said the letter published in the newspaper Le Monde. “Men have been punished summarily, forced out of their jobs when all they did was touch someone’s knee or try to steal a kiss,” said the letter, which was also signed by Catherine Millet, author of the explicit 2002 bestseller The Sexual Life of Catherine M. Men had been dragged through the mud, they argued, for “talking about intimate subjects during professional dinners or for sending sexually charged messages to women who did not return their attentions”. The letter attacked feminist social media campaigns like #MeToo and its French equivalent, #BalanceTonPorc (Call out your pig), for unleashing this “puritanical ... wave of purification”. It claimed that “legitimate protest against the sexual violence that women are subject to, particularly in their professional lives,” had turned into a witch-hunt. “What began as freeing women up to speak has today turned into the opposite – we intimidate people into speaking ‘correctly’, shout down those who don’t fall into line, and those women who refused to bend [to the new realities] are regarded as complicit and traitors.” The signatories – who included a porn star-turned-agony aunt – claimed they were defending sexual freedom, for which “the liberty to seduce and importune was essential”. The Oscar-nominated Deneuve, 74, is best known internationally for playing a bored housewife who spends her afternoons as a prostitute in Luis Buñuel’s classic 1967 film Belle de Jour. Deneuve has made no secret of her annoyance at social media campaigns to shame men accused of harassing women. “I don’t think it is the right method to change things, it is excessive,” she said last year, referring to the #MeToo hashtag. “After ‘calling out your pig’ what are we going to have, ‘call our your whore’?” “Instead of helping women this frenzy to send these (male chauvinist) ‘pigs’ to the abattoir actually helps the enemies of sexual liberty – religious extremists and the worst sort of reactionaries,” the collective of women who signed the letter said. “As women we do not recognise ourselves in this feminism, which beyond denouncing the abuse of power takes on a hatred of men and of sexuality.” They insisted that women were “sufficiently aware that the sexual urge is by its nature wild and aggressive. But we are also clear-eyed enough not to confuse an awkward attempt to pick someone up with a sexual attack.” Another: I think same sex marriages will result in a lot more divorce settlements and a lot of acrimonious court cases, but as some well-known right wing prick told us years ago, "Life wasn't meant to be easy!" That's true Geopol but that was always going to be true. But that truth doesn't invalidate SSM. Just as the monstrous totalitarian secular tyrannies spawned by fascism and communism - which set themselves up as secular religions complete with a priesthood of "comrades" and a conclave of secular cardinals called a "supreme soviet" and a pope called a General Secretary and, in the case of communism an Inquisition called the KGB and in the case of fascism the Gestapo - didn't ipso facto invalidate the secular state. But mentioning totalitarian dictatorships puts me in mind of the groupthink that accompanies totalitarian ideologies and dictatorships, for without groupthink - i.e. ideological "purity" otherwise called "political correctness" - usually followed by the words "gone mad" when used by the fascist critics of progressive politics, a ploy to mask their own brand of political correctness, and there is nothing more insane and scary than extreme right wing political correctness - totalitarian dictatorships aren't possible. There's a groupthink that's emerged with the #metoo movement and we've seen it with the largely Anglo Saxon response to the Catherine Deneuve group's critique of the witch hunt aspects of #metoo. Joining Catherine Deneuve and her group of 100 other prominent French women is author Margaret Atwood - author of The Handmaid's Tale. Here's the Guardian article: There were more: Catherine Deneuve wrote a letter answering her critics. It was published in Monday's edition of the Libération newspaper. The original is in French but since the majority of Deneuve's critics were English-speaking Libération provided an English-language translation. Simone de Beauvoir would have understood what Deneuve is talking about. Balance ton porc can also mean "dob in your pig". "Balancer" is French slang for "to grass up someone" in UK slang, or "to dob on someone" in Australian slang. Another: Each allegation should be tried first on its merit then when you have multiple women coming out and making accusations that were indeed reported then the bum is surely guilty....such as Craig McLachlan...he's a lecherous scumbag like Harvey Weinstein both blokes showing a pattern of predator behavior. Then also you cannot mix the witch hunt trivial flirtation with the predator behavior, like if a bloke makes an advance to a women and is rejected and he walks away that's not something prosecutable nor for a women to jump up down and shout 'Oooo ee's a dirty ol' man...he tried to kiss me' and broadcast that over the social media, maybe such as if the ol' fella has dementia in a nursing home...a degree of commonsense should prevail. Precisely. Catherine Deneuve would agree with you. So would Jill Filipovic www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/16/aziz-ansari-story-missed-opportunity On and on it went: Up to your old - very old - plagiarizing tricks again I see. I get it Philistine. I also introduced "geddit" on the board. Feel free to use my turns of phrase but just don't think that being derivative, unoriginal and a parroting copycat somehow makes you "cool" or "clever". On the other hand go ahead and think it! But it doesn't matter what calumnies about me you regurgitate. What really shows you up is the way you dismiss a woman of the calibre of Catherine Deneuve and her 100 co-signatories some of whom are big names in the world of art, literature and culture in the French speaking world, as women who don't get it. Now that is ignorance based on arrogance and hubris of the most egregious kind. Yet more: First Libération in France - and Libération is the ultimate in left-wing print media coming as it did directly out of the protest movements of May 1968 - and now Crikey in Australia. Alyx Gorman is yet another feminist who gets it ... But wait ... there's more: Finally: The Washington Post published an interesting article about this yesterday (well Saturday, their time, but yesterday our time) along with an accompanying video on their website. I actually started copying and formatting the article to post to this group, but then got distracted and ended up doing other things. I'll dig it out (it's parked on a saved notepad document) and finish formatting it for ProBoards-hosted groups, then I'll post it to this thread. What is really needed is for leaders of other western countries to grow some BALLS and refuse point-blank to have any interaction with Donald J. Trump due to the fact that he is a sexual predator & sicko. They need to completely turn their backs on him and ignore him at ALL world forums he attends and to loudly proclaim WHY they are doing it. Turn the bastard into the biggest pariah in the western world. Go all out to humiliate and belittle him. And that will also give the message firmly to the USA that the rest of the world will not stand by and tolerate them electing a sexual predator & sicko as their president and that America will be marginalised on the world stage until they see the error of their ways. Oh; I dunno ... Silvio Berlusconi, Edward Heath, François Mitterand, François Hollande, Dominique Strauss-Kahn ... Sexual predators the lot of 'em John 8:7 For those not up with the Biblical reference ... John 8:7, KJV: "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." ... John 8:7, NLT: "They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, 'All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!'
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Post by Gort on Mar 6, 2021 13:06:09 GMT 10
But I digress ... back to the porter case: It's good that this information about repressed memory therapy has come out. That is a controversial* treatment. * A word which here means: discredited quackery. Apologies to Daniel Handler AKA Lemony Snicket. I draw your attention to the note she wrote in 1991 ... Literally ... loopy. Politically, the Libs could probably have got away with the comparison to the Bill Shorten case. Good ol' Bill eh? The gift to the Libs that keeps on giving. However, with this latest news about repressed memory therapy, the case against Porter is very very much weakened. Who'd have thunk it? The Coalition could come out of these last few weeks with quite little medium-term damage.
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2021 14:43:20 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2021 14:55:21 GMT 10
Trickles frames it as a passing political"blip" which Scott Morrison will navigate deftly by the usual technique of flicking the switch to Scotty from Marketing. The dogs will bark, thinks ScoMo and the caravan will move on. And since this is the way that Trickles views politics, i.e. who won today's media battle and let's not forget the polls (the polls! OMG the polls!) then of course Trickles will think that "ScoMo will get through this". I think it shows a fundamental lack of understanding on Trickles' part of what "this" is. What's happening is engaging Australian women, young and old. And they vote. Read Katharine Murphy in today's Guardian.
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Post by Gort on Mar 6, 2021 16:11:39 GMT 10
Will this turn out to be another of the "Pearls" from Pimbotomy"? Time will tell.
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Post by ponto on Mar 6, 2021 16:14:25 GMT 10
I cannot read the note...does it prove a early sign of insanity...was it written in 1991...??....as stated the inquiry needs to be focused on her life.
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Post by Gort on Mar 6, 2021 16:36:24 GMT 10
The only inquiry left is the SA Coroner's ... might shed some light on the mental state of the deceased.
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Post by ponto on Mar 7, 2021 8:46:26 GMT 10
What can be said that bullying sexual harassment has decidedly not improved over the years with parliamentarians, it has gotten worse.
So what has driven this ungentlemanly behaviour....obviously private schooling is creating arseholes.
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Post by ponto on Mar 8, 2021 7:04:33 GMT 10
More to be revealed about the Porter woman by ABC's 4 corners tonight.....repressed memory factor out, she sort counselling 2013 and NSW Police did not interview her because of covid restrictions, nor did they interview Porter...LNP are raping rorts, raping the country and raping people.
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Post by pim on Mar 8, 2021 7:19:01 GMT 10
On the point of the NSW police not being able to interview the Porter woman because of the pandemic and closed state borders, hadn’t they heard of Zoom?
As for Trickles’ attempt to dismiss my point about the responses by women to misogyny in the Coalition constituting a fundamental shift of the tectonic plates rather than a short term political bump in the road, it’s noteworthy and instructive that on the one hand Trickles posted the link to Grace Tame’s address to the national press club (Trickles bandwagon hops again) and on the other hand didn’t understand the speech - if indeed he listened to it.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 8, 2021 7:37:49 GMT 10
So what has driven this ungentlemanly behaviour.... Unladylike behaviour?
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Post by pim on Mar 8, 2021 7:48:35 GMT 10
Do you really believe that if a girl gets raped she has herself to blame?
I ask, because I do remember as a teenage male in the 1960s we’d tell each other that girls were “asking for it”. Actually now I think of it I don’t really want to list all of the misogynist stuff that constituted the male folklore of my youth.
I thought we’d left those attitudes behind and we call it “progress”. Am I wrong?
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Post by bender on Mar 8, 2021 8:03:00 GMT 10
For mine, after everything that has come out, the only real answer is an Inquiry by a retired Judge of eminent status. The accuser in this instance is dead, she apparently made a decision the day before she committed suicide to discontinue her complaint against Mr Porter with the NSW Police.
That does not mean that she had irrevocably decided not to continue, she had every right to raise the complaint again at a later time if she so wished. She did not recant her claims, she never stated that it did not happen or that she may have been mistaken or imagined it.
It is still a live accusation.
And this live accusation is extremely serious, and especially so that it is made against the Chief Law Officer of the land. The Australian People have an explicit right to expect that only fit and proper persons hold such high office.
His personal denial is not enough, the evidence must be examined, persons who have relevant information regarding the woman and what she may have told them of this alleged assault, and most importantly Mr Porter himself must have the opportunity to give his own account of what occurred. As tragic this case is for the woman involved, it is also tragic for Mr Porter to have to live unjustly with this accusation hanging unresolved over his head if he did not do it.
For me, the only reason the Government has to try and stymie an Inquiry into this matter is that they fear what it will uncover. Mr Porter is an accomplished lawyer who dealt as a Prosecutor with sexual assault cases, he would know better then most that with the facts known publicly of this matter at this time, there could be no chance of the allegations being substantiated after 32 years. Is it that Porter is afraid that an Inquiry might attract other complainants which would then show a pattern of behaviour which would give credence to the complainants accusation?
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Post by ponto on Mar 8, 2021 8:50:04 GMT 10
If Porter wants to maintain his innocence then he needs an inquiry to be held.
I'm sure there is unladylike behaviour .... it is fairly clear sexist bullying with parliamentarians has increased over the years rather than improved...and I put that down to education.
There is a rise in ignorance with the alt right and conspiracies...blame that on education.
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Post by Gort on Mar 8, 2021 9:03:06 GMT 10
On the point of the NSW police not being able to interview the Porter woman because of the pandemic and closed state borders, hadn’t they heard of Zoom? As for Trickles’ attempt to dismiss my point about the responses by women to misogyny in the Coalition constituting a fundamental shift of the tectonic plates rather than a short term political bump in the road, it’s noteworthy and instructive that on the one hand Trickles posted the link to Grace Tame’s address to the national press club (Trickles bandwagon hops again) and on the other hand didn’t understand the speech - if indeed he listened to it. You rang repulsive Pim? Time will tell if the Morrison government can survive the last few weeks. As for the Porter "case" ... the woman was clearly mentally ill. Bipolar and obsessed with the young Porter - saying she believed they had a long-term future despite allegedly being raped by him. As for my values regarding sexual assault: I have, unlike you - never scorned #MeToo, never been in favour of protecting paedophile priests from scrutiny on the grounds of the "seal of confession", never made misogynistic remarks about female teachers.
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Post by pim on Mar 8, 2021 9:21:49 GMT 10
Trickles gives an official diagnosis of the deceased woman's condition. And we read it right here on NTB.
There's your common garden variety gratuitous commentary which is standard fare on NTB, and then there's Trickles who makes it his life's work continually to plumb the depths always seeking to find lower levels of crassness.
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Post by Gort on Mar 8, 2021 9:23:49 GMT 10
Her bipolar condition was revealed on ABC News this morning. (Will be covered on 4 Corners also.) Used to be known as Manic Depressive. Often involves sexual fantasies. Violent mood swings, depression and suicidal thoughts. The obsession with Porter - i.e. her believing they had a long-term future was revealed the other day in the media. The bipolar aspect was mentioned earlier in the media too, although I had not seen that and only heard the bipolar condition mentioned today on ABC News Breakfast in an interview about the 4 Corners story. Detectives from Strike Force Wyndarra were due to travel to Adelaide to take the woman's formal statement in March 2020 but their trip was postponed after the COVID-19 outbreak erupted and state borders were closed.
Friends of the woman, who had years earlier been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, say her mental health deteriorated in the weeks before she took her life. She had made previous suicide attempts.
The NSW Police statement said: "On Wednesday 24 June 2020, the body of a 49-year-old woman was located at a home at Adelaide by South Australia Police (SA Pol)."
The day before she took her life, the woman informed NSW Police that she no longer wished to proceed with the investigation.
She would have turned 50 this week.
"NSW Police understand that reporting sexual assault can be distressing and traumatic for victims — and it (is) always the choice of an individual whether to proceed with an investigation or not," the statement said.www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/pm-senators-afp-told-historical-rape-allegation-cabinet-minister/13197248
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Post by pim on Mar 8, 2021 11:15:54 GMT 10
Whatever.
Gratuitous crassness from Trickles.
It is what it is.
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Post by Gort on Mar 8, 2021 11:22:58 GMT 10
LOL "Whatever" - the response to your lazy ignorance being exposed.
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