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Post by Occam's Spork on Dec 7, 2016 13:30:49 GMT 10
...I didn't say they originated the word. I said they applied it to themselves during the age of enlightenment in the 1800's.
Christians didn't originate their name, either. It was a derogatory name, given by their enemies.
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Post by KTJ on Dec 7, 2016 13:34:37 GMT 10
. The onus is always on people who claim the reality of something rediculous to put up the PROOF, not the other way around. Then where is the proof for that claim? Your assertion is self-refuting, and therefore a delusion unto itself. I am not claiming anything. It is YOU who are claiming that the god delusion inside your head is REALLY a god. So PROVE IT!
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Post by Occam's Spork on Dec 7, 2016 13:36:25 GMT 10
Then where is the proof for that claim? Your assertion is self-refuting, and therefore a delusion unto itself. I am not claiming anything. It is YOU who are claiming that the god delusion inside your head is REALLY a god. So PROVE IT! No, you claimed the onus of proof was on me. You need to prove that using only your 5 senses, as per your criteria..
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Post by Occam's Spork on Dec 7, 2016 13:39:17 GMT 10
Actually, Atheists originally applied the word to themselves in the 18th century. Wrong!! Comes from the Greek word athe(os) meaning "godless", originating around the year 1565. The first individuals to identify themselves using the word atheist lived in the 18th century during the Age of Enlightenment.[13] The French Revolution, noted for its "unprecedented atheism," witnessed the first major political movement in history to advocate for the supremacy of human reason.[14] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
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Post by KTJ on Dec 7, 2016 13:47:04 GMT 10
I am not claiming anything. It is YOU who are claiming that the god delusion inside your head is REALLY a god. So PROVE IT! No, you claimed the onus of proof was on me. You need to prove that using only your 5 senses, as per your criteria.. I'm not the person claiming that an imaginary magician inside my imagination is a GOD. But you DO claim your god is REAL. So PROVE IT. SPORKY is back. 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Post by KTJ on Dec 7, 2016 14:31:00 GMT 10
It would appear as though SPORKY has left the building.....for now.
(perhaps he got giddy from constantly going 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'roundand 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'roundand 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'roundand 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'roundand 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round in circles)
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Post by slartibartfast on Dec 7, 2016 15:12:01 GMT 10
Wrong!! Comes from the Greek word athe(os) meaning "godless", originating around the year 1565. The first individuals to identify themselves using the word atheist lived in the 18th century during the Age of Enlightenment.[13] The French Revolution, noted for its "unprecedented atheism," witnessed the first major political movement in history to advocate for the supremacy of human reason.[14] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AtheismHeard of Diagoras of Melos? 5th century BCE known as the first atheist.
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Post by slartibartfast on Dec 7, 2016 16:55:16 GMT 10
And the most important thing about Atheists is that you can actually prove we exist.☺
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Post by pim on Dec 7, 2016 20:01:35 GMT 10
Actually, Atheists originally applied the word to themselves in the 18th century. Not me. I don't need to slap a label on myself to describe my non-believing of delusional, unproven bullshit (the imaginary god inside the heads of theists, including YOU), and which cannot been seen, or heard, or tasted, or smelled, or touched, or measured, or theoretically calculated in a scientific sense. And I note that you are continuing to go 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round and 'round in circles. Have you considered taking up a worthwhile hobby? It's not a question of needing a label, KTJ, it's a question of the way you three troll the board indulging in pack behaviour that has targeted a particular member - and in a personal way. Occam professes a religious faith, makes no apology for it and sees no need to hide his faith. Why should he? Particularly on a dedicated Religion Board. The record also shows that Occam confines his posts on religious matters to the Religion Board. Seems reasonable enough to me. What I'm defending is Occam's right to post on matters of religious faith on a dedicated Religion Board without being continually trolled, abused, insulted and harassed by the likes of you. Doesn't mean I agree with Occam or that I share his religious faith. In fact I would welcome the opportunity to have a courteous and respectful exchange with Occam on these matters but I know, and Occam knows, that we wouldn’t be permitted - by the likes of you. In fact such an opportunity would not be vouchsafed us because The Trolling Threesome would gatecrash the discussion to inject their toxic bile. KTJ you cheer on the sidelines when Hubris Man - expertly overestimating his abilities and self-importance, and puffed up with phony self-aggrandisement - utters his racist slurs when he realises the exchanges are getting out of his depth. You want a sneer Hubris Man? There's a good sneer. It also happens to be the truth. And one good sneer deserves another. Check every box that characterises Donald Trump. You and KTJ tick every one. Labels, KTJ? You already have one and it's richly earned: the Donald Trump of the board. Slarti, these two low lifes are mates of yours? Choice!!
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Post by pim on Dec 7, 2016 21:10:54 GMT 10
Hubris Man and Try Hard expertly overestimating their abilities and blissfully ignorant of their insignificance, practise their routines ...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 14, 2017 23:33:28 GMT 10
The first individuals to identify themselves using the word atheist lived in the 18th century during the Age of Enlightenment.[13] The French Revolution, noted for its "unprecedented atheism," witnessed the first major political movement in history to advocate for the supremacy of human reason.[14] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism Heard of Diagoras of Melos? 5th century BCE known as the first atheist. As I said, he never referenced himself as an Atheist..
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 14, 2017 23:40:07 GMT 10
Back on topic ... In Canada, most people believe in "Heaven" (2004 Gallup poll) ... interestingly, there is a 16% discrepancy between belief in "Heaven" and belief in "Hell" ... how odd! Heaven and HellAlmost 6 in 10 Canadians (58%) believe that there is a heaven; 48% of Britons agree. However, respondents from both countries are less likely to believe in hell -- only 42% of Canadians and 32% of Britons say they believe. In this case, the gap between the percentages of people in both countries who believe in the "good" place (heaven) over the "bad" place (hell) is identical -- 16 percentage points. www.gallup.com/poll/14083/divine-subjects-canadians-believe-britons-skeptical.aspxSelective "belief" eh? They can cop "God" but not "Satan" ... even though their "God" supposedly tossed "Satan" out of "Heaven" into "Hell". BTW ... the majority of Canadian believers are Roman Catholic, followed by Protestant then Islamic ... Religious Composition Of CanadaRank....Belief System...................Share of Canadian Population 1.......Roman Catholic Christianity.....39% 2.......Protestant Christianity............29% 3.......Atheist or Agnostic.................24% 4.......Islam....................................3% 5.......Hinduism...............................2% 6.......Sikhism................................1% 7.......Buddhism..............................1% 8.......Judaism................................1% www.worldatlas.com/articles/religious-composition-of-canada.htmlI'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Falsehood is still falsehood even if everyone believes it; and truth is still truth even if no one believes it. Truth by numbers is an obvious fallacy that should be disregarded.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 14, 2017 23:47:01 GMT 10
Soldaat der 3e klasse Sneero's sneer count continues: If it's war you want Pimbo ... strap yourself in ... As for Occam's ... if he starts with "Chumps" and "meatheads" ... he will cop "Moron" and "Idiot" (especially after his nonsense crap about circles)! Yes, but it's all well and good when the three of you gang up and do the same, only threefold, eh? Using a numerical advantage to gang up and taunt an opponent you disagree with? How does that not make you an alpha male cyberbully douchebag; and his two companion lapdogs? What's the matter? Can't handle an even fight?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 15, 2017 9:24:54 GMT 10
I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Falsehood is still falsehood even if everyone believes it; and truth is still truth even if no one believes it. Truth by numbers is an obvious fallacy that should be disregarded. Just making the point that even "believers" choose their own selective "version" of belief ... i.e. many choose to disbelieve in "Satan" at the same time as believing in "God" - that is more evidence of selective delusion ... how can one believe in "God" yet disbelieve "Satan" when the one is "confirmed" by the other! I put it to you that both "entities" are false. No, one doesn't necessarily infer the other.
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Post by KTJ on Jan 15, 2017 10:54:18 GMT 10
So you're fine with people claiming to believe in a "god" who "tells" them "he" threw "Satan" out of "heaven" ... not believing that? You don't see any inconsistency there? Really? Religionists are not very rational people. For example, they believe in a god and worship that god even though there is no proof that god even exists. Yet they will claim that their unproven god is the one true god and that other (also unproven) gods are false gods. How's that for fucked-in-the-head thinking, eh?
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Post by pim on Jan 15, 2017 11:35:14 GMT 10
So why even bother with the Religion Board, Troll One and Troll Two?
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Post by pim on Jan 15, 2017 12:37:52 GMT 10
So you're a "Wilderness" kinda troll then. Kinda explains why lots of your posts have that banshee wail quality But a troll is still just a troll
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Post by pim on Jan 15, 2017 13:30:26 GMT 10
In the absurd universe of Troll One, puffed up with hubris as he is, he indignantly defends his right to spam and troll a dedicated Religion Board with the avowed purpose of insulting and traducing anybody who professes a religious faith and who comes to this dedicated Religion Board to post about ... err ... religion! Fancy that! Troll One you're the last person I'd need to justify my participation on this board to. But let me tell you what I'm not here for, I'm not here to insult, defame, and relentlessly harrass any member who comes here in good faith to discuss matters of faith. Now you and your fellow trolls have been coming to this board ever since its inception - however many years ago that was, they're starting to add up - and your agenda hasn't varied or changed over that time. You all declared yourselves to be atheists. Fine! And KTJ fuck off if you're reading this, and I'm sure you are. If atheists were ducks then you waddle and quack like an atheist so tell us something sensible for a change. Unlike Occam I happen to view atheism as a perfectly respectable position both to defend and promote. You then engaged in debate not just with Occam but Skippy and Matt. Not a problem! But here's the thing: you've kinda said it all. You've made your points. Long ago. At length. Ad nauseam - no that's unfair, it wasn't ad nauseam until it became ad nauseam. Has anyone's position changed? Has Occam convinced or persuaded you? You know the answer. Have you convinced/persuaded Occam? Again, you know the answer. So does Occam! Will this stand off change? So why are you here? I feel no need to justify my defense of a member's right to post on religious topics on a dedicated Religion Board without being subjected to relentless insults, disrespect, hostility and trolling. You want to dispute my right to do that? Truly you inhabit a bizarre Trumpesque universe! Incidentally I'm flattered (I think!) that you should continue to plagiarise me with your "gentle reader" (problem is, Troll One, that you don't treat the reader very gently!). But what is VERY revealing is that you've started to invoke people like Premier and Skippy. Oh how they would smile at that! Go ahead, Troll One, switch over to "that" board! They'd love it. This is an open board unlike OTR so they're probably monitoring your steady conversion to the Dark Side. One little tip though, Troll One, and you can have it for free: you're no Anakin Skywalker so don't kid yourself that you'd ever make a Darth Vader
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Post by KTJ on Jan 15, 2017 14:30:12 GMT 10
And KTJ fuck off if you're reading this, and I'm sure you are. If atheists were ducks then you waddle and quack like an atheist so tell us something sensible for a change. As I have posted many, many, many times before....I don't believe delusional bullshit which cannot be seen, or heard, or touched, or tasted, or smelled, or measured, or scientifically calculated in a logical theoretical sense. No need for a label for something which is merely refusing to believe unproven bullshit, nothing more, nothing less. So YOU fuck off back to your mother Roman Catholic church; fondle your rosary beads and say 1,001 Hail Marys before your imaginary god smites you for being stupid.
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Post by pim on Jan 15, 2017 14:37:54 GMT 10
Troll Two
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Post by pim on Jan 15, 2017 15:12:41 GMT 10
Troll One ... yes chers lecteurs, I know ...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 13, 2019 4:30:13 GMT 10
A bump ... in memory of Slarti ... 13 months or so since he stopped posting. Indeed... a celebration.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 13, 2019 5:10:31 GMT 10
So you're fine with people claiming to believe in a "god" who "tells" them "he" threw "Satan" out of "heaven" ... not believing that? You don't see any inconsistency there? Really? Religionists are not very rational people. For example, they believe in a god and worship that god even though there is no proof that god even exists. Yet they will claim that their unproven god is the one true god and that other (also unproven) gods are false gods. How's that for fucked-in-the-head thinking, eh? There is no proof otherwise, either. Your inference rational high road is dubious, when all you've added to the discussion is opinion.
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Post by KTJ on Jan 13, 2019 8:27:54 GMT 10
Can you produce anybody who has come back from the afterlife to PROVE it isn't a load of bullshit?
And don't drag up Jesus Christ ... 'cause that has NEVER been proved.
Rational people are entitled to believe fantastical stuff like that is a load of garbage until somebody comes back from the afterlife and proves otherwise.
And I don't mean merely waking up after they had a cardiac arrest, then their heart was re-started and claiming they saw things, because that is hallucinations.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 13, 2019 8:40:45 GMT 10
Can you produce anybody who has come back from the afterlife to PROVE it isn't a load of bullshit? And don't drag up Jesus Christ ... 'cause that has NEVER been proved. ...says who? The Christ myth theory is "the view that the person known as Jesus of Nazareth had no historical existence."
In modern scholarship, the Christ myth theory is a fringe theory and finds virtually no support from scholarsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
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