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Post by Occam's Spork on May 5, 2022 5:12:28 GMT 10
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Post by caskur on May 5, 2022 11:44:44 GMT 10
It is a problem for American women.
I cannot see why it has been politicized. It is a health issue.
The court ruling will be overturned.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 6, 2022 2:06:10 GMT 10
It is a problem for American women. I cannot see why it has been politicized. It is a health issue. The court ruling will be overturned. I agree. But the health of the infant is important too. ...And it's the Courts job to defend rights of ALL human beings regardless of their capacities. ...or is it only 'Justice for Some'? I'm trying to help you see that there is more than one victim here.
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Post by freddies ghost on May 6, 2022 12:08:00 GMT 10
It's been an interesting couple of weeks.
Musk buying Twitter, now this. Almost like the pendulum us starting to swing back. Steve Bannon once said that "politics is downstream of culture".... Let's see if that plays out on election nite ?🤔
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 6, 2022 13:17:39 GMT 10
It's been an interesting couple of weeks. Musk buying Twitter, now this. Almost like the pendulum us starting to swing back. Steve Bannon once said that "politics is downstream of culture".... Let's see if that plays out on election nite ?🤔 Lol did you see the left screaming about that Twitter thing?! "Oh no! How are we going to control the flow of civil discourse if the right is permitted to have a voice/ public opinion!?"🥺
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Post by freddies ghost on May 6, 2022 13:27:43 GMT 10
I suspect we might see a little more left meltdowns in the coming months. If Catherine Dave's wins her seat in the Fed Election here (which I suspect she will, in a landlide), the the melt from the Australian webs will be massive. Especially if each way Albo loses due to his sheet ineptness.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 8, 2022 2:50:22 GMT 10
I suspect we might see a little more left meltdowns in the coming months. If Catherine Dave's wins her seat in the Fed Election here (which I suspect she will, in a landlide), the the melt from the Australian webs will be massive. Especially if each way Albo loses due to his sheet ineptness. I suspect that Trudeau is losing control of Canada too. He's trying to pass a bill that will require Journalist to earn a government mandated license. Which, of course, 'he' will decide who is deemed worthy. Sounds like he wants full control of the news that is getting out.😏
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Post by caskur on May 8, 2022 11:32:02 GMT 10
False news is confusing when it's mixed in with the truth.
After hearing news for half a century plus half a decade I try to listen to everything and pick out what sounds most logical.
After I listen to the news these days though, I drop it from my mind. I don't want bad news clogging up my very creative mind.
As for the rights of children, Putin is dropping bombs on their poor little heads. Do you think that hurts 1,000,000 x worse than strangers we don't know getting a scrape? Most conceptions fail. That's life. Deal with it.
Not every life started is viable.
When I see men stop murdering women and children, I might take this more seriously.
Those judges changed the global human right laws. I am surprised they haven't been assassinated yet.
Pregnant women risk their lives carrying children especially if they aren't married because men kill them to get out of paying child support.
Early education would be more helpful.
I think kids should have more education from say 14 yrs old up about the perils of relationships. Boys especially need to be told about handling themselves better but I'm afraid most adults feel uncomfortable about discussing relationships with children. And sadly some of the education is wrong and immoral and against nature.
However no amount of talking is going to stop subhuman rapist scum so while they are allowed to breath oxygen unhappy pregnancies happen.
It just looks like they want the baby trade to start up again... sell those little white babies to childless couples.
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Post by freddies ghost on May 9, 2022 17:00:21 GMT 10
fun fact, Margaret Sanger, founder of planned parenthood in the US was an avid eugenicist .
Another fun fact, the vast majority of planned parenthood clinics in the U.S (upwards of 80%+) are located in black neighborhoods.
So..., Black Lives Matter....?
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2022 0:24:14 GMT 10
False news is confusing when it's mixed in with the truth. After hearing news for half a century plus half a decade I try to listen to everything and pick out what sounds most logical. After I listen to the news these days though, I drop it from my mind. I don't want bad news clogging up my very creative mind. As for the rights of children, Putin is dropping bombs on their poor little heads. Do you think that hurts 1,000,000 x worse than strangers we don't know getting a scrape? Most conceptions fail. That's life. Deal with it. Not every life started is viable. When I see men stop murdering women and children, I might take this more seriously. Those judges changed the global human right laws. I am surprised they haven't been assassinated yet. Pregnant women risk their lives carrying children especially if they aren't married because men kill them to get out of paying child support. Early education would be more helpful. I think kids should have more education from say 14 yrs old up about the perils of relationships. Boys especially need to be told about handling themselves better but I'm afraid most adults feel uncomfortable about discussing relationships with children. And sadly some of the education is wrong and immoral and against nature. However no amount of talking is going to stop subhuman rapist scum so while they are allowed to breath oxygen unhappy pregnancies happen. It just looks like they want the baby trade to start up again... sell those little white babies to childless couples. It's not a popular concept; and you may not want to hear it, but equal rights means equal responsibility. You can't rationalize an abortion argument with war, when someone headshots a semi conscious fetus with a needle because their mother would rather make power points for $60k/y than raise them. If the fetus ever invades a country or fires a semi automatic firearm at you; then I might entertain your war comparison.
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Post by Stellar on May 10, 2022 8:00:27 GMT 10
And what of the fathers' responsibility in all this? I'd wager that the fathers took no responsibility and didn't want the expense of paying for an unwanted child. Didn't want to use condoms either.
Don't keep blaming mothers for their unwanted children. Men can be very physically persuasive when aroused. They often don't take "no" for an answer.
Maybe the solution is that everyone is sterilised at birth ... and can only reproduce if they prove themselves to be law-abiding, productive members of society as adults.
Freddy might say this is an example of eugenics but it would be a great solution to the population crisis and the ensuing problems with lawlessness and crime.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2022 11:31:14 GMT 10
No one is absolving the father of the responsibility, I agree that women shouldn't date dead beat rapist scumbags.
And yet I don't think the father is the deciding factor on whether a human lives or dies.
The common factor of all human beings is we all passed through a woman's legs to get here. It's not arbitrary.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2022 11:33:39 GMT 10
Maybe the solution is that everyone is sterilised at birth ... and can only reproduce if they prove themselves to be law-abiding, productive members of society as adults. Freddy might say this is an example of eugenics but it would be a great solution to the population crisis and the ensuing problems with lawlessness and crime. That's actually the very definition of Eugenics. Eugenics was the basis for the Holocaust. Who wants to be the person who gets to decide who deserves life? ...A guy named Adolf Hitler tried that once. Now his name lives on in infamy.
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Post by freddies ghost on May 10, 2022 12:51:02 GMT 10
I'm not a woman, so I can't speak for them. However, what I do know is that in his mother's womb, a baby has his own heartbeat, can hear his mother's voice, and can feel pain.
At the very least, is it to much to ask if we start at that point when talking about abortion ?
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 10, 2022 22:46:45 GMT 10
And what of the fathers' responsibility in all this? I'd wager that the fathers took no responsibility and didn't want the expense of paying for an unwanted child. Didn't want to use condoms either. Don't keep blaming mothers for their unwanted children. Men can be very physically persuasive when aroused. They often don't take "no" for an answer. For a people who say there are no good men left, they sure do get pregnant a lot.😎 Sorry, I don't buy the excuses; they can't all be rape victims. Allow me to reiterate. I said: "Equal rights, equal responsibility." Only about 2% of these abortions account for rape victims. Which means 98% of women considered the cost, and took the risk. They acted IRRESPONSIBLY. The message is simple: If you don't want a pregnancy, don't have unprotected sex. And should there be an accident, predecide in advance what you will do so that no one has to die. All decisions have consequences. Abortion isn't a 'do over'. You can't 'unring' a bell. All of those things still happened.
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Post by Gort on May 11, 2022 12:15:16 GMT 10
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Post by freddies ghost on May 11, 2022 13:15:15 GMT 10
you're using an extreme case here, so can I ask you, considering we're talking about a life here, a soul with endless potential (aka the divine spark at its purest) perhaps this is a case of crimes of the father.. ?
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 11, 2022 14:08:37 GMT 10
There are 74 million abortions/per year. Are you really trying to tell me all of those 74 million are from twelve-year-olds knocked up by their fathers? There are roughly 7 billion people currently on the planet... That's not even taking into account the 51% who are female. The 4-7% are gay, and the 30-40% are over or under the age of conception. How many of those people, do you suppose happen to be exactly 12 years old, female, and pregnant by their fathers? If you can conceive a sizable number from all of that, it seems to me then, that: a) we have bigger problems than just abortion; or b) that is just a bullshit excuse to justify the senseless slaughter of innocents.
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Post by Stellar on May 11, 2022 14:15:35 GMT 10
Only 7 billion?? Only??!!!!!! By the way you are out by almost one billion ... it's 7.9 billion!! And this is the whole problem the planet is facing - over population!
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 12, 2022 1:44:17 GMT 10
Only 7 billion?? Only??!!!!!! By the way, you are out by almost one billion ... it's 7.9 billion!! And this is the whole problem the planet is facing - overpopulation! ...Did you miss the part where I said 'roughly'? (Good job at ignoring the main thrust of the argument to nitpick at a minor detail, btw.) Your 'overpopulation' argument is an over-propagated misconception. There is so much room on the earth that if everyone lived as densely as New York city, the entire world of 7.8 billion people could live inside an area the size of Texas. It is a statistical fact that 50% of humans live on less than 1% of the land and if a fraction of the lawns were turned into gardens, food scarcity would be non-existent. The lie that we are overpopulated is to induce fear and scarcity over the masses, and to justify ways to 'lower' the population. (Ie: abortion)
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Post by Stellar on May 12, 2022 16:16:34 GMT 10
I missed nothing. All I can say is I hope you don't work in any position that calls for mathematical expertise. Or is near enough good enough for you? You almost seem to think that the planet is a beautifully green and environmentally sustainable paradise. Whereas Australia is 70% arid or semi-arid and therefore the driest inhabited continent on earth. So you think we should have a bigger population because we've got so much land? Does this look good to you? Or this? Would you love to live here?
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 12, 2022 21:25:42 GMT 10
I missed nothing. All I can say is I hope you don't work in any position that calls for mathematical expertise. Or is near enough good enough for you? You almost seem to think that the planet is a beautifully green and environmentally sustainable paradise. Whereas Australia is 70% arid or semi-arid and therefore the driest inhabited continent on earth. So you think we should have a bigger population because we've got so much land? Does this look good to you? Or this? Would you love to live here? And I hope you don't work in a position that requires you to stay on topic.😁 This isn't math class or a topic for you to bitch about the Environment.
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Post by bender on May 13, 2022 0:21:01 GMT 10
Spork I don't think there's any requirement that anyone "justify" abortion to you. No one is making you get an abortion. It should be available for those that wish to have a pregnancy terminated, and for those that don't believe in abortion it's existence should not be any of their concern.
If you look at footage of protestors outside abortion clinics you pretty quickly come to the conclusion that all these right to lifers are a bunch of nutbags
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Post by freddies ghost on May 13, 2022 0:33:45 GMT 10
If you look at footage of protestors outside abortion clinics you pretty quickly come to the conclusion that all these right to lifers are a bunch of nutbags I looked at all the Blue haired, masked up, SJWs "protesting" that they couldn't kill babies no more, out side the homes of supreme court judges. It's pretty clear that they we're all a bunch of unhinged nutjobs to.😅
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 13, 2022 4:29:25 GMT 10
Spork I don't think there's any requirement that anyone "justify" abortion to you. No one is making you get an abortion. It should be available those that wish to have a pregnancy terminated, and for those that don't believe in abortion it's existence should not be any of their concern. If you look at footage of protestors outside abortion clinics you pretty quickly come to the conclusion that all these right to lifers are a bunch of nutbags Note the psychological distancing here: "It should be available those that wish to have a pregnancy terminated." He doesn't even acknowledge that it is a death, instead he states the end of a process. -That is all it is to him. I'm sure that Hitler saw the Jews the same way. Was the Holocaust any of our concern, Bender?
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