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Post by matt on Jan 13, 2013 23:44:33 GMT 10
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Post by matt on Jan 14, 2013 22:22:14 GMT 10
Yada yada yada.
Jesus is Lord!
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Post by fat on Jan 14, 2013 22:47:45 GMT 10
"It is irrefutable"
Then why have you got such a lack of confidence in your information that you have to repeat it non-stop Buzz.
If it is 'irrefutable' then state it once and let it stand for itself - that is all you would need.
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Post by jody on Jan 14, 2013 23:19:21 GMT 10
"It is irrefutable" Then why have you got such a lack of confidence in your information that you have to repeat it non-stop Buzz. If it is 'irrefutable' then state it once and let it stand for itself - that is all you would need. well said Fat
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Post by pim on Jan 15, 2013 15:02:28 GMT 10
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Post by jody on Jan 15, 2013 23:02:40 GMT 10
and you are still going on and on and on....no one has bothered to discuss this with you yet Buzz and I imagine the only one who will be Veritas who as per usual will blow it clean out of the water. You preach your beliefs worse than any fundy christian does and if you take notice...Matt also gets his fair share for being relentless as well.
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Post by jody on Jan 15, 2013 23:15:05 GMT 10
wouldn't it be better for you discuss these things with people who care about it?? You will NEVER change anyones views/beliefs here Buzz.
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Post by jody on Jan 15, 2013 23:23:18 GMT 10
It is your reality Buzz...not ours.
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Post by pim on Jan 16, 2013 8:14:15 GMT 10
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Post by jody on Jan 16, 2013 12:26:54 GMT 10
And who here says the earth is flat?
Sent from my V96A using proboards
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Post by jody on Jan 16, 2013 14:10:16 GMT 10
Your point suits you only Buzz and it is where you always fail.
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Post by pim on Jan 16, 2013 17:04:21 GMT 10
Hi jodes, just passing through here. Has Buzz worked out how many angels can dance on a pinhead yet?
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Post by jody on Jan 16, 2013 18:36:29 GMT 10
oh who knows.....I am sure he find something to c & p on the subject though.
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Post by jody on Jan 16, 2013 22:09:37 GMT 10
Buzz....with respect, have you ever considered that it is you who is deluded and has mental illness?
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Post by jody on Jan 16, 2013 22:27:21 GMT 10
*sigh* it really is pointless....
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 17, 2013 5:36:59 GMT 10
Hearsay--That's what he's based his research on. Entirely. And he's compiled these condensed Google searches into a book, that he's self-published. Now he compares himself to the likes of more reputable scholars, imagining he's a contender. It's Sad, really. <-Buzz I won't respond to this, for the same reason I won't respond to a simpleton who dances on the street for pocket change. He is to be pitied, not indulged.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 17, 2013 11:59:01 GMT 10
Mary Boyce sits on my shelf and I have read more than one of her books more than once. Unless you've read something OTHER than Mary Boyce, and other book that support your personal prejudices, if you haven't considered any weighed other perspectives, then your research has been completely one-sided. And quoting from another's research is STILL, hearsay. Oh and by the way: Burden of proof lies with the accuser, as always. Aristotle's dictum states: "The benefit of the doubt is to be given to the document itself, not assigned by the critic to himself" So by default, the Bible gets the benefit of the doubt. And arguing from silence won't forward your point. There are literally thousands of essential truths we have no evidence for.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 17, 2013 12:08:41 GMT 10
Speaking of Hearsay - that sums up the Bible Absolutely. But it's hearsay from eyewitnesses and contemporaries, who faced death and never ever changed their story. That lends to it's validity, no one knowingly dies for a con. --What d'you got?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 17, 2013 13:16:24 GMT 10
For centuries c***s like you burned nonbelievers at the stake I'd be interested in seeing this constructed caricature you perceive us to be, Buzz. Do you imagine me wearing a cloak and a black hat, laughing maniacally to myself ? Perhaps I can find a damsel to tie to some railroad tracks. Or build an orbital laser. Ooooh Can I have a underground lair, with all kinds of high-tech gadgets?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 28, 2013 5:15:14 GMT 10
Germans were responsible for the Holocaust, does that make Germany the center of evil? Or how about Austria, since Hitler was Austrian.
Your generalizations on religion are equally as ludicrous.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 29, 2013 11:11:52 GMT 10
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 2, 2013 2:37:58 GMT 10
Look at the history of Christianity - people like Thomas More burned people at the stake for owning a Bible written in English. Thomas more was a Christian also. So was Tyndale, and Gutenberg, who were executed for translating the Bible into another language. Was this an act of Christianity, or an act AGAINST Christianity? I fail to see how you are attributing this to Christianity, unless you are attempting to suggest the raping of a child is part and parcel to the christian lifestyle. There were also Christians who hid the Jews from the Nazis. What of them? What of the Dutch Resistance (Whom my wife's grandfather was part of) What of the priest Bonhoeffer, who died making an attempt on Hitler's life? You are being blatantly ignorant of the fact that the Holocaust was consistent with, and likely the result of the Eugenics Philosophy. Which was a product of Darwin's theory. And despite your moral outrage, where are the noteworthy atheist heroes who stood up to Hitler? Easy and rather comfortable to wave a finger from that armchair, isn't it? Is this an argument against the orphanage policies, Ireland, or Christianity in general? Of course you would. That's because you don't even have the slightest concept of what Christianity really is. If I lacked empathy, I wouldn't be here trying to talk you down from the ledge. As for dangerous, well... I'm not the one being the segregationist, here. That's all you.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 2, 2013 23:29:36 GMT 10
I don't have to believe everything I read.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 4, 2013 5:30:56 GMT 10
nope. The traditional view is that Judaism began many centuries before the Jews became exposed to Zoroastrianism. While some scholars dispute this, they do generally identify the origins of a monothestic form of Judaism with the reign of King Josiah in the seventh century BCE. In any case, Judaism already existed in a recognisable form before the Jews became exposed to Zoroastrianism. However, many beliefs and practices, quite similar to those already found in Zoroastrianism, were adopted by the early Jews during the Persian Period and soon afterwards. Even the name Pharisee is seen by some as a corruption of Farsi, the ancient name for the Persians.
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Judaism was not influenced in any way by the beliefs of Zoroaster. While Persian words were borrowed for government matters, there were none bar one which were used in religion. That word was the name of a Persian demon, which was mentioned in passing. Nothing at all was borrowed by the Hebrews from the Persian religion. And the word "pharisee" is a translator's corruption of the Hebrew "perushim," which means those who separate themselves from impurity.wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Judaism_come_from_Zoroastrianism
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 10, 2013 3:20:53 GMT 10
Ugarit confirmed the Bible.
Incidentally, how many ancient Zoroastrian texts have you researched to suggest the Hebrews borrowed?
The answer is easy:"None". The only existing source for details on Zoroaster is the Avesta, which was put in writing between 346-360 AD and of which we only have manuscript copies early as the 13th century.
And the the word "pharisee" is a translator's corruption of the Hebrew "perushim," which means those who separate themselves from impurity. Any etymologist will tell you that. (Yes, those people who spend their ENTIRE LIVES researching word origins--But I suspect you think you'd know better than they would.)
The rest is ENTIRELY speculation on your part. But sufficient enough to sell books, because fiction sells better than the truth.
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