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Post by caskur on Oct 2, 2021 17:16:22 GMT 10
Well, we'll see as the sordid story unfolds. I've already heard her phone call where she shuts down a man who wants to tell her something.
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Post by matte on Oct 2, 2021 17:20:24 GMT 10
The people who run ICAC are political stooges. Everything they do is politically calculated.
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Post by matte on Oct 2, 2021 17:46:50 GMT 10
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Post by matte on Oct 2, 2021 18:48:20 GMT 10
John Howard has put his support behind Dominic Perrottet.
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Post by pim on Oct 2, 2021 19:00:57 GMT 10
I just saw an old man on the news saying that this ICAC witch-hunt is like Kennedy being shot. I couldn't agree more. Well that just goes to show that we should always listen to old men on the news
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Post by matte on Oct 2, 2021 19:03:30 GMT 10
I just saw an old man on the news saying that this ICAC witch-hunt is like Kennedy being shot. I couldn't agree more. Well that just goes to show that we should always listen to old men on the news People are extremely emotional and angry over this political assassination by those leftists at ICAC. It is nothing but a hit job.
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Post by pim on Oct 2, 2021 19:05:54 GMT 10
“Those leftists at ICAC” - ROFLMAO
Matt, Matt you’re like Toots in that you have a certain entertainment value. The difference is that while Toots is a loose cannon and you just never know what sort of deranged ranting she’s going to come up with next - which is the fun part, you on the other hand are completely predictable. If Bolt rants about it or if Alan Jones has sprayed invective all over it, then you can be sure you’ll post it that very day. It has its funny side.
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Post by matte on Oct 2, 2021 19:35:38 GMT 10
“Those leftists at ICAC” - ROFLMAO Matt, Matt you’re like Toots in that you have a certain entertainment value. The difference is that while Toots is a loose cannon and you just never know what sort of deranged ranting she’s going to come up with next - which is the fun part, you on the other hand are completely predictable. If Bolt rants about it or if Alan Jones has sprayed invective all over it, then you can be sure you’ll post it that very day. It has its funny side. Well actually, Alan Jones doesn't like Gladys Berejiklian. He has been cheering for Chris Minns.
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Post by matte on Oct 2, 2021 19:37:56 GMT 10
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Post by Gort on Oct 3, 2021 0:25:27 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Oct 3, 2021 7:33:28 GMT 10
Fuck the coalition and its corruption....time to give Chris Minn a go.
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Post by Stellar on Oct 3, 2021 7:50:56 GMT 10
I feel nostalgic. I want to take a walk around my old suburb where I spent my early years. Take a walk past Gladys's house and leave a note of appreciation, maybe some flowers .... then down Sailors Bay Road to Northbridge School where I was in Kindergarten. Then around to Narani Crescent where my paternal grandparents lived. Then down to the baths where my Dad taught me to swim. And then around to Northbridge Golf Club where I worked in the office for a while. Might even drive around to take a look at Bob and Hazel Hawke's house. But I can't do anything because we're in lockdown!
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Post by pim on Oct 3, 2021 8:29:58 GMT 10
I’m out of the loop with NSW politics but I think I’ll always see myself as a NSW expat here in SA. I’m not alone in that by the way. There’s a very quiet NSW expat freemasonry here. We recognise each other by the way we say “chance, dance & France”. I once pronounced “graph” in the NSW way rather than the SA “grahph” , and they say “dah tah” for data instead of “day ta”, and a collective “frisson” went around the room. But we’d hear a lot about Gladys here and she’s well regarded by the Croweaters. She was becoming a NSW Angela Merkel wasn’t she. They’d have ended up calling her “Mutti” or “Mum”. I didn’t mind her.
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Post by Stellar on Oct 3, 2021 8:56:55 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Oct 3, 2021 12:44:03 GMT 10
The argument peddled she didn't know what McGuire wass doing is naïve at best, she knew McGuire for 15 years and was her lover for 5, to say she didn't know him and was taken in by him is an act, as with the down to earth homely girl, like she has a net worth of over 10mill.
Any developer or business person that managed to get close to Gladys did very well, it maybe she didn't racketeer herself, she certainly enabled those around her to....she was a good leader and had the persona to carry people along with her, then I was finding she was talking reassuringly "I love NSW and will do what's best for NSW" without saying much of anything, 'feeding the chooks' as they say.
She decided to resign that was her choice, she has made more good decisions than poor and one accepts that her resignation choice is the right and good one for her.
And those that call for ICAC to be closed do not get politicians all the way to the top are public servants and should be held accountable for tax payer spending, pork barreling is illegal.
I don't what has changed peoples thinking over recent decades, it seems that people treat politics and rorting as well that's just what pollies do, this is my team I vote for and they can do whey they like...people were more cynical is days past and would not accept the dishonesty.
Perhaps its the high immigration rate and migrants come from lands where rorting and dictatorships are the norm...at a guess.
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Post by pim on Oct 3, 2021 13:54:22 GMT 10
We’ve always had a high immigration rate ever since the First Fleet dropped anchor where Circular Quay now pullulates and the Gadigal people muttered “There goes the neighbourhood!”
Would Dodgy Daryl Maguire qualify as an immigrant? When does an immigrant cease being an immigrant?
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Post by Gort on Oct 3, 2021 14:39:34 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Oct 3, 2021 15:20:48 GMT 10
It's more about the acceptance of corruption in politics, Gladys accepted corruption as par for the course.. her downfall...and why are Australian's accepting of that simple fact....
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Post by pim on Oct 3, 2021 16:12:56 GMT 10
It goes to accountability in government Ponto. As a nation it’s not something we’re heavily into either at the state or federal level. And as for local government well how often do you hear about a local council being sacked by the state government under the Local Government Act and an administrator appointed? I did hear recently that’s happened in Queanbeyan, in Pork Barilaro’s neck of the woods.
As a country we inherited the Westminster system from the British but what we’ve done with it is to make it the most unaccountable top-down authoritarian model of Westminster of all the countries that have the Westminster system. You want “accountable”? Make Parliament supreme and make the Executive (i.e. the government: prime minister or state premier plus ministers) accountable to the parliament. Funnily enough that’s what the Westminster system is supposed to look like. But in Australia the Westminster system, Australian style, is an all-powerful Executive government with a rubber stamp parliament. You want accountability? You want an ethic to prevail where a minister takes the fall when things go pear-shaped? You’re not going to get that under our model of Westminster. Some examples: what the bloody hell is a dodgy spiv like Angus Taylor even doing in the Parliament, let alone in the senior ministry? Or Bridget McKenzie? There’s too much of a culture of “the standard we walk past is the standard we accept”. In another era we’d have a more active press gallery that would ask uncomfortable questions. But under the media ownership laws put in place under John Howard we now have the most heavily concentrated media ownership in the English speaking world. Seventy percent of Australian media is concentrated in the hands of that American guy Rupert Murdoch. We’re paying the price.
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Post by Gort on Oct 3, 2021 16:36:35 GMT 10
It's not the Paddington Bear toy or the black and white TV ... it's the principle of the thing.
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Post by matte on Oct 3, 2021 20:08:54 GMT 10
I still can't believe she is no longer premier. I do hope she gets through it and then runs for federal parliament.
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Post by caskur on Oct 3, 2021 22:31:36 GMT 10
Politicians are PUBLIC SERVANTS not royalty.
And public servants are supported by a public funded taxation system.
Nobody from the REAL public glorify them except the people on this group perhaps... most people wished a sink hole would swallow them.
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Post by matte on Oct 3, 2021 22:52:20 GMT 10
Politicians are PUBLIC SERVANTS Actually, politicians are not public servants. They are not employees of the public service. In fact, MPs, Senators or whatever they are called in each state, are not even classified as employees. They are elected office holders according to the Australian / various state constitutions. Some people might find that a trivial difference, but it is a major difference both when it comes to the role they serve, how they conduct themselves, their rights and privileges etc. Public servants are employees of the government and they serve irrespective of who the government is.
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Post by pim on Oct 3, 2021 23:06:56 GMT 10
Toots I gave your post a “like” because I agree strongly about politicians being public servants and not royalty as well as the bit about them being paid by the taxpayer. Disagree about the sink hole. Oh I realise you’ll double down and rant and rave and say they’re all scumbags blah blah blah ad nauseam and who can deny that there are politicians who are scumbags. Strewth some of them end up in jail like that former WA Labor Premier Whatsisface. But there are politicians who are ok and even some who are better than ok. I taught the kids of a few of them. No names, no pack drill. So I met them as parents on parent teacher nights. Guess what, they were ordinary people.
One Labor candidate who stood for Eden Monaro during the Howard years and kept Eden Monaro marginal even though the Liberals held it as a bellwether seat door knocked the entire Eden Monaro electorate which is as big as Belgium. He always followed up on an enquiry even if it was a local government issue and he was a federal election candidate. One elderly lady in Eden, a NSW country town on the far south coast near the Victorian border, asked him what “the government” was going to do about the garbage collection in her street. He didn’t patronise her, he treated her with respect, took her question seriously and did the legwork to follow up the query with the local council. Then he got back to the old lady with an answer. She thought he was a “nice young man” and offered him tea & bikkies. I think she voted for him.
Scumbag?
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Post by ponto on Oct 4, 2021 5:11:01 GMT 10
Politicians are there to serve the people in the best interest of the people......not just to serve the lobbyist and the yanks as is the case with coalition.
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