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Post by jody on Jan 8, 2013 21:25:06 GMT 10
lol Tam....I say that a lot. Even young women today giving birth....my goodness they're weak as pee.
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Post by Salem on Jan 8, 2013 21:31:44 GMT 10
Sorry Tam, but I think you can. Because YOUR reasoning can be applied to antibiotics and to every other technological invention that has made out lives easier. There are very few ways to keep a baby cool in a heatwave as high as the southern states have had. I think most normal people would do anything to escape the heat and prevent a screaming baby making their day more hotter and miserable than it could be. Your mentality is can be used to defend anything from the dark days. Saying people need to toughen up, to me, is a load of rot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 21:39:36 GMT 10
There we go what did I tell you all...no answer....and the best is that in a short while they will respond with Climate Change is natural...remember Dorothea MacKellar....the blissfull ignorant..
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Post by tam on Jan 8, 2013 21:41:55 GMT 10
LOL.
"defend anything from the dark days". I am not 100 yrs old. LOL
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Post by Salem on Jan 8, 2013 21:45:19 GMT 10
I never said you were?
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Post by matt on Jan 9, 2013 0:21:37 GMT 10
Matt....you get sillier everyday with the crap that finds it way out of your mouth. It is what I believe.
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 3:50:45 GMT 10
There we go what did I tell you all...no answer....and the best is that in a short while they will respond with Climate Change is natural...remember Dorothea MacKellar....the blissfull ignorant.. Are you aware that the temperature can fluctuate up to 25 degrees in one day?, the half a degree of warming in the last 100 years can not even be classified as a change in the weather really so needs no explanation, it hardly even breaks the + or - variation these statistics require so you can stop being hysterical now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 6:53:13 GMT 10
It is possible to cool your residence by up to 15-20 degrees, without the reliance on air-conditioning. People who whinge because the temperature reaches over 35 degrees need to get a sense of perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 7:36:17 GMT 10
From 'The Guardian': www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/08/australia-heatwave-weatherHeatwave: Australia's new weather demands a new politics Climate change clashes with the myth of a land where progress is limited only by the rate at which resources can be extracted George Monbiot guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 8 January 2013 20.00 GMT Australian heatwave causes wildfires Five of Australia's six states are still suffering fires after the counrty's fiercest heatwave in more than 80 years. Photograph: Kim Foale/EPA I wonder what Tony Abbott will say about the record heatwave now ravaging his country. The Australian opposition leader has repeatedly questioned the science and impacts of climate change. He has insisted that "the science is highly contentious, to say the least" and asked – demonstrating what looks like a wilful ignorance – "If man-made CO2 was quite the villain that many of these people say it is, why hasn't there just been a steady increase starting in 1750, and moving in a linear way up the graph?" He has argued against Australian participation in serious attempts to cut emissions. Climate change denial is almost a national pastime in Australia. People such as Andrew Bolt and Ian Plimer have made a career out of it. The Australian – owned by Rupert Murdoch – takes such extreme anti-science positions that it sometimes makes the Sunday Telegraph look like the voice of reason. Perhaps this is unsurprising. Australia is the world's largest exporter of coal – the most carbon intensive fossil fuel. It's also a profligate consumer. Australians now burn, on average, slightly more carbon per capita than the citizens of the United States, and more than twice as much as the people of the United Kingdom. Taking meaningful action on climate change would require a serious reassessment of the way life is lived there. Events have not been kind to the likes of Abbott, Bolt and Plimer. The current heatwave – so severe that the Bureau of Meteorology has been forced to add a new colour to its temperature maps – is just the latest event in a decade of extraordinary weather: weather of the kind that scientists have long warned is a likely consequence of man-made global warming. As James Hansen and colleagues showed in a paper published last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the occurrence of extremely hot events has risen by a factor of around 50 by comparison to the decades before 1980. Extreme summer heat, which afflicted between 0.1% and 0.2% of the world 40 years ago, now affects 10%. They warned that "an important change is the emergence of a category of summertime extremely hot outliers, more than three standard deviations (3σ) warmer than the climatology of the 1951–1980 base period". An extremely hot outlier is a good description of what is roasting Australia at the moment. So far Abbott has commented, as far as I can tell, only on the fires: "Our thoughts are with the people and the communities across the country who are impacted by the bushfires," he says. Quite right too, but it's time his thoughts also extended to the question of why this is happening and how Australian politicians should respond. He says he's currently on standby with his local fire brigade, but as his opposition to effective action on climate change is likely to contribute to even more extreme events in the future, this looks like the most cynical kind of stunt politics. To ask him and others to change their view of the problem could be to demand the impossible. It requires that they confront some of the most powerful interests in Australia: from Rupert Murdoch to Gina Rinehart. It requires that they confront some of the powerful narratives that have shaped Australians' view of themselves, just as we in the United Kingdom must challenge our own founding myths. In Australia's case, climate change clashes with a story of great cultural power: of a land of opportunity, in which progress is limited only by the rate at which natural resources can be extracted; in which this accelerating extraction leads to the inexorable improvement of the lives of its people. What is happening in Australia today looks like anything but improvement. This, I think, is too much for Abbott to take on: as a result he has nothing to offer a nation for which this terrible weather is a warning of much worse to come. Australia's new weather demands a new politics; a politics capable of responding to an existential threat.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 9, 2013 7:44:40 GMT 10
Getting up in the morning is too much for Abbott, let alone face up to reality.
The Liberals have to dump him, not just for their own future, but for Australia's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 7:51:31 GMT 10
Stuntman Abbott can only get up when there is a stunt involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 8:31:08 GMT 10
[/quote]Are you aware that the temperature can fluctuate up to 25 degrees in one day?, the half a degree of warming in the last 100 years can not even be classified as a change in the weather really so needs no explanation, it hardly even breaks the + or - variation these statistics require so you can stop being hysterical now. [/quote]
Read Hunter's Guardian article Garf for enlightenment on stats ...all you have done is made a innocuous statement about temps in one day, difference between day and night is that what you are saying..??
Avg temperatures have risen by only a 1/2 deg yet we can see the effects that this small variance is having on weather extremes, hot and cold, we know the oceans are increasing in acidification and the polar ice is melting...due to this small variance, think ahead son to when climate temps have risen 3deg or more from increased CO2 and CH4 and what this will do for the weather....catastrophic.
Like the girls here will talk about air conditioners, the paint on the walls or their ingrown toenails, whatever, yet climate change it's ignore the science and continue to think its all natural, and yet in decade ahead will be cursing the government for not responding quick enough, as you would yourself , its time to get hysterical not time to sit back and think she'll be right mate cause Tony, Jones and 2GB told me so while the walls are crumbling down.
Point remains that for all the au natural belief none can say what the au natural driver is for this warming trend the is evoking an increase in extreme weather events...You can bet in another few weeks or so when this topic comes to the fore again, the same people will ignore the science and blithely state ..its natural in it.
As food crops fail and nations go to nuclear war...the skeptics will fall back on.... oh its a biblical prophecy, god is punishing us..when it was all preventable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 8:38:46 GMT 10
Umm, temps have risen by more than half a degree over the last century. And you wonder why I consider you a moron
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 8:49:39 GMT 10
The parties over for the global warming doomsday cult, even its founder al gore has cashed in his chips and sold out to big oil, Europe and America have realised its all a scam, only a few labor and green voting idiots downunder are still flying the flag after 20 years of no warming LOL ;D
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 8:52:37 GMT 10
As food crops fail and nations go to nuclear war...the skeptics will fall back on.... oh its a biblical prophecy, god is punishing us..when it was all preventable. I mean just have a look at the doomsday nonsense would ya, you should have done science in school instead of hiding behind the lunch shed smoking your bong, co2 encourages plant growth ya drongo. more co2 = more crop yield ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 8:55:30 GMT 10
I mean just have a look at the doomsday nonsense would ya, you should have done science in school instead of hiding behind the lunch shed smoking your bong, co2 encourages plant growth ya drongo. more co2 = more crop yield ;D Great, so you'll report back to us from your flourishing garden on Venus then, wont you.
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 8:59:45 GMT 10
Doomsday cultists, are you all going to hole up in Waco when the scientists tell you it was all a load of BS ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 9:15:30 GMT 10
There we go cannot answer a simple question ...retort with spin and nonsense, bullshit banana's again.
CO2 will increase plant growth in a greenhouse in a cold climate where sunlight is insufficient to stimulate photo synthesis, despite research there has been no evidence plant growth will benefit from a high CO2 environment in a temperate or hot climate, in some plant species such as the grasses quite the opposite.
I suggest stop looking around for an excuse to ignore the science with unfounded waffle and concentrate on what is being told to us by the science consensus.
Climate change is a human made condition, increased CO2 is not a benign savior of our planet, and we need more of it, that's the same nonsense the same scientist gave people the notion tobacco smoke was benign, DDT was beneficial to the environment and acid rain is not caused by coal fired power stations.
That is whom you are aligning your beliefs with Garf ...known professional bullshit artist who are out to discredit the science consensus so that the freemarket is not government regulated, even though they themselves know that the current climate change is driven by anthropogenic made greenhouse gasses, they are only interested in discrediting the truth.
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 9:53:35 GMT 10
I can see that the use of CO2 to accelerate plant growth in green houses certainly isn't one of your areas of expertise there spincycle. ;D ... F for that effort, now go off and do some more research and come back and try for a D ;D
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 15:12:28 GMT 10
Were did you find that bunch of absolute rubbish? , unsceptical science? ;D
You really need to learn how to do proper research instead of just lifting unsubstantiated garbage of of some kooky doomsday climate nuts blog.
Why don't you ask any hydroponic greenhouse grower instead, they all use extra co2 as it does wonders for plant growth.
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 15:50:56 GMT 10
A California farmer pipes CO2 from a power plant into giant greenhouse, saving energy and money.
A California farmer is finding a unique way to capture emissions of carbon dioxide -- piping the climate-altering gas from a power plant into his massive greenhouse, spurring more plant growth and tastier tomatoes.
This carbon capture and tomato storage project is the first of its kind in the United States although similar ones exist in Europe.
The new $13 million combined heat and power co-generation plant opens Aug. 22 at Houweling's Tomatoes in Camarillo, Calif. The two GE-built engines will burn natural gas to keep the greenhouse warm, while generating some extra electricity that is sold back into the local grid. At the same time, the 8.8-megawatt plant feeds its waste carbon dioxide directly into Houweling's giant 150-acre greenhouse.
"All the electricity (power) plants out there are putting CO2 into the atmosphere and heat which are two big consumptions," said owner Casey Houweling. "If we use our energy wiser we would have impacts from two sides, reducing cost and becoming more efficient."
Houweling says the co-generation plant is a big investment but he expects it will pay off in the long run.
"There will be a big benefit because we won't be exposed to energy prices because we are selling the electricity," Houweling said. "Long-term we believe this will stabilize our production costs."
The power industry has looked at many types of carbon storage projects over the years as a way to reducing atmospheric emissions of the heat-trapping gas. Some firms have tried injecting it underground to abandoned mines or salt deposits, others have tried bubbling CO2 through ponds of microscopic algae. But Houweling says that the extra CO2 is a perfect fit for his greenhouse. He already has to purchase the gas anyway from an industrial supplier to makes his plants grow.
HOWSTUFFWORKS: Growing Tomatoes
"In a greenhouse, if we don't add C02," Houweling said, "the plants will pull down the level so much they will stop growing."
Houweling says the addition of the co-generation plant makes his greenhouse facility almost 100 percent energy-efficient. He recycles 90 percent of his waste, captures rainwater for irrigation, and has deployed five acres of solar panels. The greenhouse-grown tomatoes also use less land than traditional row farming. That is a further energy savings, according to Scott Nolen, product line leader for General Electric.
"He can grow as much food on 150 acres as his neighbor in 5,500 acres," Nolen said.
Nolen said that until renewable sources of energy pick up the slack, there are still ways of making fossil fuel plants have less of an environmental impact.
"We'd all like to be in world where we don't burn hydrocarbons," Nolen said. "That's not possible yet but in the meantime, we want to make sure every molecule of hydrocarbon we burn for fuel is as efficient as possible.
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 20:36:33 GMT 10
So are you knuckleheads having a rethink over your claims that CO2 is not plant food or what?
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 21:25:54 GMT 10
Any of you brainless galahs want to explain why they'd pump CO2 into greenhouses at the the rate of 1200 ppm ( four times current atmospheric levels ) to improve plant growth if higher CO2 was detrimental to plant growth or what?
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 21:27:04 GMT 10
Anyone care to explain why global warming guru al gore has sold out to big oil?
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Post by garfield on Jan 9, 2013 21:36:22 GMT 10
Well at least tell me why global warming hysterics think that weather only began 100 years ago and before that we had no weather. ;D
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