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Post by caskur on Oct 9, 2021 19:13:39 GMT 10
Oh I get it! If you don’t agree with them they rioted, and if you do agree with them they protested! Life’s so simple when you allow yourself to be so reductionist Did fights break out or was public property trashed? It was not. The police cause a lot of the drama. They were protesting calmly enough. It's not my thing, I don't have passion for anti-lockdown protests. I only care to protest about virgin habitat loss. AND Liberal Prem. Colin Barnett sent cops onto mums, children and old people silently protesting Roe 8 through Beeliar wetlands a few years back.. Ever since I have seen governments send the police to JUSTIFIABLE protests on its own harmless and ARMLESS citizens, I have been disgusted beyond belief. So, the cops can attack easy target law abiding citizens marching down streets but can't rid the country of hard drugs or solve real murders unless a dobber comes forth. I have no respect left for official thuggery. Sue me!
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Post by matte on Oct 9, 2021 19:22:55 GMT 10
But is this just a medical issue? It isn't. That is why we have elected governments with ministers who make decisions. if they make WRONG decisions, by not closing down soon enough for instance, then you shouldn't expect other states to pay for your balls-up. But Melbourne closed down hard and fast. Yet their results are worse than Sydney.
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Post by caskur on Oct 9, 2021 19:37:05 GMT 10
if they make WRONG decisions, by not closing down soon enough for instance, then you shouldn't expect other states to pay for your balls-up. But Melbourne closed down hard and fast. Yet their results are worse than Sydney. NSW let spread around NSW... NSW people OBVIOUSLY spread it to neighbouring states by crossing the borders... Gladys took too long to lockdown. You might think she is a gem but we don't think she is/was. we have crews of covid infested in our hospitals right now and right from the beginning, March 2020... how come covid hasn' escaped into our community? And don't give me any of that bulldust about being underpopulated.
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Post by matte on Oct 9, 2021 19:46:08 GMT 10
But Melbourne closed down hard and fast. Yet their results are worse than Sydney. NSW let spread around NSW... NSW people OBVIOUSLY spread it to neighbouring states by crossing the borders... Gladys took too long to lockdown. You might think she is a gem but we don't think she is/was. we have crews of covid infested in our hospitals right now and right from the beginning, March 2020... how come covid hasn' escaped into our community? And don't give me any of that bulldust about being underpopulated. It doesn't matter how it got into Melbourne. All outbreaks start with an initial case. Melbourne's initial case came from Sydney. Sydney's initial case came from overseas. If going hard and fast in Melbourne did not stop the spread, why would the same thing have worked in Sydney? People are yet to tell me the logic. They simply go back to "it came from Sydney". Assume the initial case (same person) in Melbourne entered Melbourne from hotel quarantine in Melbourne. They would still have the same result as they have today. It proves that the lockdowns don't work, especially when the virus gets into Muslim populations.
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Post by caskur on Oct 9, 2021 19:59:39 GMT 10
You aren't changing your theory when all the other states and territories have proved you wrong. I am not going around in mind numbing circles.. nsw and vic are going to have a shitload of people on sickness benefits for a long, long time.
Thanks Gladys.
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Post by matte on Oct 9, 2021 20:29:22 GMT 10
You aren't changing your theory when all the other states and territories have proved you wrong. I am not going around in mine numbing circles.. nsw and vic are going to have a shitload of people on sickness benefits for a long, long time. Thanks Gladys. It doesn't matter where the virus comes from. The virus entered Sydney via the United States. The virus entered Melbourne via Sydney. Each outbreak is its own outbreak. The way Victoria conducted its lockdown has nothing to do with New South Wales. Its lockdown results have nothing to do with New South Wales. They started with ONE CASE, but locked down with extremely strict rules. But those rules have done nothing. In fact, they have had worse day on day results than Sydney did for the ENTIRE outbreak. It proves that lockdown rules don't actually work. If the virus gets into the wrong community, it does not matter what rules a government implements, it'll spread. That is something that Western Australia will have to eventually come to terms with, unless of course it wants to remain sealed off from the rest of the world indefinitely. People in Western Australia panic about the virus for some reason, whereas in New South Wales we're simply living with the virus, about to start opening up on Monday and not worrying about it. We're rejoining the world. I reckon if there was an outbreak in Perth, there would be chaos at the supermarkets, because the people there just not living with reality. Vaccines won't help Western Australia either, look at Singapore, almost 90% fully vaccinated but is registering over 2000 cases a day.
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Post by caskur on Oct 9, 2021 20:34:30 GMT 10
It PROVES eastern states wankers break lockdown rules.
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Post by caskur on Oct 9, 2021 20:41:42 GMT 10
When the eastern staters break rules here in WA, they are jailed.
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Post by pim on Oct 10, 2021 5:17:56 GMT 10
On the frontline: Healthcare workers share their COVID storieswww.australianunions.org.au/2021/10/05/healthcare-workers-covid-stories/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=healthcare-workers-covid-stories&__s=jc4slkw8cuonxn14urt2&utm_source=drip&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=On+the+frontline%3A+Healthcare+workers+share+their+COVID+stories&utm_content=On+the+frontline%3A+Healthcare+workers+share+their+COVID+stories“It’s like standing on the beach and watching the water being sucked out to sea, knowing that it’s coming back your way soon as a tsunami. All you can do is stand there and brace yourself for the impact.” That’s what registered nurse Steven, told “On the Job” recently about how he felt as the case numbers mounted up in Western Sydney where he works in the emergency department of a major hospital. Like so many healthcare professionals, Steven was drawn to the work because of his deep and instinctive desire to help people. So, what happens when a public health emergency hits your community with the force of a cyclone and you find yourself trying to help as many people as you can, but unable to help everyone? Suddenly, no matter how hard you work, how long you stay on your own two feet fighting fatigue, it never seems enough. All the while you are trying to ignore the risks to your own health, trying to stay calm as all around you the sick and their loved ones are succumbing to fear and anxiety. And outside the emergency department door, the ambulances are queuing up in a conga-line of COVID-19 patients awaiting desperately needed care. That’s before you get to the regular array of emergency presentations at the hospital – from cardiac concerns to kitchen burns. They don’t suddenly stop because there’s a pandemic raging outside. For many health care workers, this is not a drill. This is happening right here, right now. Greta has seen it with her own eyes. She works at a large hospital on Melbourne’s suburban fringe. It’s a diverse community of hard-working people who make enough to get by in the good times and do what they can when things are tough. She can’t use her real name because she is concerned for her safety and the possible ramifications of identifying herself, but she felt so strongly about what she is seeing at her hospital and in her community that she reached out to On the Job to tell her story. “I hear so many people talking about how the hospital system is, how it should be able to cope and why we should open up. Then the media spends all its time focusing on the anti-vax groups,” said Greta. “Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a focus on healthcare workers and how hard we work and the challenges we are facing every day?” Greta is battle-hardened. Working in a hospital emergency department in the outer suburbs is not for shrinking violets. Yet she has been rocked by the intensity and vitriol that healthcare workers are enduring now as the COVID-19 outbreak in her area bares down on her beleaguered community. ‘It’s a barrage of abuse that is just not warranted. People are under enormous stress, I get that, but hospital staff are as well, and they’re doing what they can to help. It’s exhausting.” The resilience of her colleagues is something Greta takes great pride in. That durability and commitment from her fellow workers is almost at breaking point as infections reach new heights. “These workers have been extremely resilient throughout the pandemic, but I can see that people are starting to lose their drive to work in such difficult and stressful conditions,” Greta told On the Job. ‘Wearing full PPE at all times, the abusive behaviour from patients, the extreme pressure to meet deadlines, whilst each day gets busier than the day before. “We had another overwhelming day of emergency department presentations last week, and it might be even greater numbers this week. “I can see these incredibly capable clinical staff are now at breaking point and I know of multiple resignations. I know it’s the same for the nursing staff and the clerical workers as well.” The images of ambulances “ramping” at hospitals [queuing up to deliver patients to an already crowded facility] have been beamed across TV screens and social media, often used to paint the hospital as the problem – like it’s not coping with a situation it should take in its stride. Greta fumes about this. “Why isn’t the truth being told? Instead, our organisation’s reputation suffers which is a slap in the face for all those healthcare workers who work exceptionally hard.” ‘We are tired, burnt out, and under immense pressure but we keep going. We look after everyone, even those very people who say they don’t believe in COVID and won’t get vaccinated.” She lets out a bone-weary sigh, resigned to her commitment, and wedded to her determination not to let the pandemic and the heavy burden of responsibility she feels get the better of her. “We’ll continue to roll up our sleeves and do the work and look after people.”
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Post by matte on Oct 10, 2021 11:10:51 GMT 10
Shame on Daniel Andrews and Brett Sutton: /
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Post by Gort on Oct 10, 2021 11:19:53 GMT 10
It has always been a balancing act between lockdowns and people's wellbeing. Remember when Victoria got down to zero deaths after the worst death rate in the country? That was due to lockdowns. Bear in mind that back then there were no vaccines.
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Post by pim on Oct 10, 2021 13:03:52 GMT 10
Shame on Daniel Andrews and Brett Sutton Sorry Matt, you try hard I know but the spittle-flecked dishevelled hair fire & brimstone “moral outrage” thing doesn’t work for you anymore. You were more convincing when you were younger about ten years ago but you’ve lost your moral outrage mojo. Not sure why. I think it’s the sleazy avatar.
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Post by matte on Oct 10, 2021 13:07:14 GMT 10
It has always been a balancing act between lockdowns and people's wellbeing. Remember when Victoria got down to zero deaths after the worst death rate in the country? That was due to lockdowns. Bear in mind that back then there were no vaccines. Is their current success due to lockdowns too? Looks like New South Wales is more successful.
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Post by Gort on Oct 10, 2021 13:09:27 GMT 10
It has always been a balancing act between lockdowns and people's wellbeing. Remember when Victoria got down to zero deaths after the worst death rate in the country? That was due to lockdowns. Bear in mind that back then there were no vaccines. Is their current success due to lockdowns too? Looks like New South Wales is more successful. NSW has a higher percentage of vaccinated people. VIC is catching up though. Back in 2020, there was pretty high compliance with the lockdown rules, more recently in Victoria, the compliance has been quite poor.
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Post by caskur on Oct 10, 2021 15:28:34 GMT 10
“I hear so many people talking about how the hospital system is, how it should be able to cope and why we should open up. Then the media spends all its time focusing on the anti-vax groups,” said Greta. “Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a focus on healthcare workers and how hard we work and the challenges we are facing every day?” I ALWAYS tell idiots on twitter who want to open up early, "YOU AREN'T A HOSPITAL WORKER ON THE FRONT LINES ARE YOU?" Nothing makes me angrier than dumbshit people of the selfish younger male persuasion and their imbecilic comments.
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Post by caskur on Oct 10, 2021 15:31:41 GMT 10
Shame on Daniel Andrews and Brett Sutton: / Awwww, the druggies supplies are low are they? I feel sorry for them... NOT.
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Post by matte on Oct 10, 2021 16:44:46 GMT 10
Is their current success due to lockdowns too? Looks like New South Wales is more successful. NSW has a higher percentage of vaccinated people. VIC is catching up though. Back in 2020, there was pretty high compliance with the lockdown rules, more recently in Victoria, the compliance has been quite poor. NSW had lower numbers the entire time, even during our so called mockdown period.
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Post by matte on Oct 10, 2021 16:58:31 GMT 10
Tony Abbott is 100% on the money: /
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Post by caskur on Oct 10, 2021 17:09:41 GMT 10
DYING suffocating isn't a very nice death... Fuck Abbott and his thoughtless remark.
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Post by Gort on Oct 10, 2021 17:19:26 GMT 10
NSW has a higher percentage of vaccinated people. VIC is catching up though. Back in 2020, there was pretty high compliance with the lockdown rules, more recently in Victoria, the compliance has been quite poor. NSW had lower numbers the entire time, even during our so called mockdown period. That's not correct. NSW has had more COVID cases overall: covidlive.com.au/
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Post by matte on Oct 10, 2021 18:40:02 GMT 10
NSW had lower numbers the entire time, even during our so called mockdown period. That's not correct. NSW has had more COVID cases overall: covidlive.com.au/Project those Victorian numbers out to the number of days NSW has been in lockdown during this outbreak. I'll make it easy for you. Every single day of the Victorian outbreak, they have trended higher than New South Wales. Compare Day 1 to Day 1, or Day 50 to Day 50. They also have a lower population, so on a per-capita basis they are even worse. You'll also have to take a few thousand cases off the NSW number as the numbers you're using include all the imported cases. New South Wales has taken the lion share of return travellers. Victoria went months and months without taking in a single person.
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Post by Gort on Oct 10, 2021 21:33:33 GMT 10
Now you've changed to projections, I am talking about actuals. You started talking about actuals - you said: "NSW had lower numbers the entire time ..." NSW has had more Covid cases than Victoria.
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Post by matte on Oct 10, 2021 22:08:19 GMT 10
Now you've changed to projections, I am talking about actuals. You started talking about actuals - you said: "NSW had lower numbers the entire time ..." NSW has had more Covid cases than Victoria. I stated that New South Wales had lower numbers the entire time. By that I meant comparing like with like, which is how outbreaks should be compared. It makes no scientific sense to compare Victoria at day 67 to NSW at day 115. For the entire outbreak in Victoria, they have tracked higher than NSW and not just in a negligible way either. But we're no longer really counting cases in New South Wales. This outbreak is now the norm. We know cases are going to rise over the coming weeks, perhaps they may even overtake Victoria. But we don't care. This is called living with the virus. This may be difficult for people outside of New South Wales to wrap their head around, but it is easy for us. This wave will continue and we'll eventually forget about it like in Denmark, Sweden etc.
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Post by caskur on Oct 10, 2021 22:17:04 GMT 10
Now you've changed to projections, I am talking about actuals. You started talking about actuals - you said: "NSW had lower numbers the entire time ..." NSW has had more Covid cases than Victoria. I stated that New South Wales had lower numbers the entire time. By that I meant comparing like with like, which is how outbreaks should be compared. It makes no scientific sense to compare Victoria at day 67 to NSW at day 115. For the entire outbreak in Victoria, they have tracked higher than NSW and not just in a negligible way either. But we're no longer really counting cases in New South Wales. This outbreak is now the norm. We know cases are going to rise over the coming weeks, perhaps they may even overtake Victoria. But we don't care. This is called living with the virus. This may be difficult for people outside of New South Wales to wrap their head around, but it is easy for us. This wave will continue and we'll eventually forget about it like in Denmark, Sweden etc. That's OK just make sure you pay for your own problems and not expect to milk other states of their profits.
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Post by Gort on Oct 11, 2021 9:43:40 GMT 10
Meanwhile, in NSW ...
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