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Post by pim on Mar 18, 2021 14:13:34 GMT 10
It seems that if you’re in group 1(b) your turn has come for the vaccine!
I checked with the website for the medical centre where my GP has his practice and they’ll start to take bookings on Mar 20 for the vaccine injection. They start jabbing on March 29. Sensibly they encourage booking online. It seems that we’re not getting the Pfizer vaccine and I suspected that would be the case because of the storage problems your average suburban GP would have storing Pfizer doses at ... what’s the storage temperature again? minus 180 or some such? Instead we’re getting the AstraZeneca vaccine. And that’s fine by me! I’ll make my appointment, rock up, bear my arm and jab away!
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Post by ponto on Mar 18, 2021 16:13:17 GMT 10
I'll make a booking tomorrow ....to be sure.
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Post by matte on Mar 18, 2021 19:17:52 GMT 10
It seems that if you’re in group 1(b) your turn has come for the vaccine! I checked with the website for the medical centre where my GP has his practice and they’ll start to take bookings on Mar 20 for the vaccine injection. They start jabbing on March 29. Sensibly they encourage booking online. It seems that we’re not getting the Pfizer vaccine and I suspected that would be the case because of the storage problems your average suburban GP would have storing Pfizer doses at ... what’s the storage temperature again? minus 180 or some such? Instead we’re getting the AstraZeneca vaccine. And that’s fine by me! I’ll make my appointment, rock up, bear my arm and jab away! Seriously, I will be praying that this vaccine doesn't do you any harm. I simply do not trust the motivations behind it and how they have convinced people they need it. This is a big conspiracy.
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Post by matte on Mar 18, 2021 19:18:46 GMT 10
I'll make a booking tomorrow ....to be sure. I will not be making any booking. When they eventually call when my "phase" comes up, I'll be politely declining.
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Post by pim on Mar 18, 2021 20:06:11 GMT 10
You’ve made your point Matt. You’re not going to get vaccinated. You’ve explained why. We get it.
Now you get this: I don’t need your permission to be vaccinated against Covid-19. I don’t need you to badger me about the alleged “dangers” of the vaccine. Now crawl back into your little box, keep your god bothering on my behalf to yourself (I don’t need the Big Fella Upstairs to be bothered by you about me and I find that idea vaguely offensive), keep your opinions on the vaccine to yourself, stop trying to play the anti vaccine evangelist and basically STFU.
Kapeesh?
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Post by caskur on Mar 18, 2021 21:02:34 GMT 10
I'll make a booking tomorrow ....to be sure. I will not be making any booking. When they eventually call when my "phase" comes up, I'll be politely declining. I am worried about the side affects because I have serious allergies.... I actually want to get vaccinated bc, catching covid is very, very painful.
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Post by ponto on Mar 18, 2021 22:56:43 GMT 10
The vaccine is not manditory....and say with allergies Cas that puts you at the high risk end of fatality if you catch covid ....health risk with the vaccine is low.
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Post by pim on Mar 19, 2021 6:27:58 GMT 10
Meanwhile, in Europe ... EU’s drug regulator backs AstraZeneca vaccine after safety investigationBy Bevan Shields March 19, 2021 www.smh.com.au/world/europe/eu-s-drug-regulator-backs-astrazeneca-vaccine-after-safety-investigation-20210319-p57c43.htmlEurope’s drug regulator has urged coronavirus-ravaged countries to resume their rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine after a review detected no link between the jab and a higher risk of developing blood clots. In a highly anticipated verdict delivered in Amsterdam, the European Medicines Agency said the benefits of the vaccine in combating COVID-19 far outweighed the risk of side effects. “This is a safe and effective vaccine,” said Emer Cooke, the regulator’s chief executive. The AstraZeneca vaccine will be manufactured for Australian citizens in MelbourneHowever, the EMA conceded it could not rule out a link between the vaccine and 25 combined cases of two very rare blood disorders and vowed to keep investigating. Germany, France, Italy, Bulgaria, the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Ireland had paused the AstraZeneca rollout while EMA experts examined reports of blood clots in some recently inoculated people. The suspensions – taken against the advice of the regulator and World Health Organisation – triggered a backlash from experts who warned the action was unnecessary and would cost lives as a deadly third wave sweeps across Europe. “We just have to continually remind ourselves of what a difficult situation we are in,” Cooke said. “This pandemic is costing lives. We have vaccines that are safe and effective and can prevent deaths and hospitalisations. We need to use those vaccines.” The countries are now under pressure to urgently restart the AstraZeneca rollout following the EMA’s conclusions. Working with data from other agencies around the world, the EMA found the number of thromboembolic events reported during trials and the broader rollout was 469 – lower than what would normally be expected in the general population. Sabine Straus, the chair of the EMA’s pharmacovigilance risk assessment committee, noted about 100,000 people develop blood clots each month in the European Union. However, the EMA said more work was still needed to determine whether the vaccine may be connected to two rare but “very serious” clotting disorders. The first, disseminated intravascular coagulation, is a disorder that involves tiny blood clots in multiple blood vessels. There have been seven reported cases of this condition. The second, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, creates clots in the large vessels that draw blood from the brain. There have been 18 cases of this disorder, some of which had caused deaths. “Based on the evidence available and after days of in-depth analysis of lab results, clinical reports, autopsy reports and further information from the clinical trials, we still cannot rule out definitively a link between these cases and the vaccine,” Straus said. However, she and Cooke stressed the cases were rare. “About seven million people have now been vaccinated in the EU with the AstraZeneca vaccine and 11 million have been vaccinated in the UK and there is increasing use of this vaccine in other countries,” Cooke said. The two rare disorders will be added to the list of product risks so doctors and patients in Europe are aware of any potential risk. Straus said the two rare conditions had been most prominent in women and young women but said it was too early to say whether that was simply because more people have been vaccinated in this group. The AstraZeneca jab will represent the vast bulk of vaccines to be distributed in Australia. The EMA released its findings amid major tension between AstraZeneca and the European Commission over slow deliveries. Europe on Wednesday threatened to take over the company’s factories unless more doses were given to EU members over the coming months. Britain’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency on Thursday reported five cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis among 11 million people given the AstraZeneca vaccine but said the rollout should proceed. “There is no evidence that blood clots in veins are occurring more than would be expected in the absence of vaccination,” said MHRA chief executive June Raine. Munir Pirmohamed, the chair of Britain’s Commission on Human Medicines, suggested that even if a link between the clots and the vaccine was eventually established it wouldn’t halt Britain’s rollout. “If we feel that there’s a causal link then we may need to update the product information, but overall, I don’t think that would necessitate a pause to any kind of vaccination program,” he said.
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Post by ponto on Mar 19, 2021 9:34:19 GMT 10
10:30am and all's well...
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Post by caskur on Mar 19, 2021 10:53:31 GMT 10
A year ago this time people were being reminded HOURLY TO WASH HANDS AND SOCIAL DISTANCE..... the pandemic is still on so where are the reminders? They are non-existent. It's all about the vaccine no one has seen yet or will see anytime soon.
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Post by ponto on Mar 19, 2021 11:46:22 GMT 10
So far I have booked a telephone booking from a local medical clinic which happens to be a skin cancer clinic that will phone to tell me when I have the vaccine shot....
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Post by Stellar on Mar 19, 2021 12:26:19 GMT 10
A year ago this time people were being reminded HOURLY TO WASH HANDS AND SOCIAL DISTANCE..... the pandemic is still on so where are the reminders? They are non-existent. It's all about the vaccine no one has seen yet or will see anytime soon. Surely you have variable message signs on your roads? We have reminders everywhere here! Get out on the roads and the highways and you'll see them. Go into any transport hub ór onto any bus or train and they'll be there! They're also in shops and basically everywhere the public congregates. I recently went away to Hawks Nest for a week and have just come back from Bathurst the other day. All the way to both destinations and back I was reminded as I drove along about the importance of washing hands during the pandemic!! I must have been reminded a thousand times on my travels as these electronic signs keep changing messages along with traffic info. If you don't have these variable message signs - although I'm sure you do - you should get on to that premier of yours and remind him of the importance of keeping the handwashing message out there! Is this one big enough?
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Post by Stellar on Mar 19, 2021 12:43:05 GMT 10
So far I have booked a telephone booking from a local medical clinic which happens to be a skin cancer clinic that will phone to tell me when I have the vaccine shot.... I'm not in any hurry to get the vaccine. I think it's more important that Europe, Asia and the Americas vaccinate their populations first. We don't have a pandemic here fortunately. And of course I'd like to see if there are any problems with the vaccines ... and only time will tell that.
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Post by ponto on Mar 19, 2021 13:31:24 GMT 10
Have no time given as to when a vaccine shot will happen ...once the CSIRO gets the ball rolling with production Australia will manufacture its own at a fairly quick rate... 2weeks time they will have 4mill ready, and its important to get a PNG covid under control.
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Post by matte on Mar 19, 2021 13:34:26 GMT 10
So far I have booked a telephone booking from a local medical clinic which happens to be a skin cancer clinic that will phone to tell me when I have the vaccine shot.... I'm not in any hurry to get the vaccine. I think it's more important that Europe, Asia and the Americas vaccinate their populations first. We don't have a pandemic here fortunately. And of course I'd like to see if there are any problems with the vaccines ... and only time will tell that. It is very prudent to wait, especially in Australia, because as you say, we don't have thousands of people being infected per day. So why not wait and see how the vaccine impacts other populations? I think that is a common sense approach.
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Post by ponto on Mar 19, 2021 13:49:31 GMT 10
I am not waiting to catch Covid...could be a outbreak tomorrow....its why they panic over one or two cases....if it gets 100's or 1,000's they have lost it and PNG is losing it, placing the Aboriginal people are at risk.
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Post by pim on Mar 19, 2021 14:33:46 GMT 10
If we had a genuinely humanitarian government that was also courageous enough to stare down the short term “Australia First” xenophobia of the shock jocks, the Pauline Hansons and the redneck white supremacists (and yes Matt I’m looking at you), they wouldn’t just send a token amount of 8000 doses to PNG, they’d give PNG everything we’ve got in the way of COVID-19 vaccine plus send up medical teams to help administer the vaccine to enough of the PNG population that would give them herd immunity. Then they’d vaccinate all of the Torres Strait islanders. In the meantime here on the Australian mainland the rest of us would go on doing what we’ve been doing: washing our hands, practising social distance and just observing strict personal hygiene behind closed international borders.
Maybe that would delay the rollout of the vaccine by a year. So what. Ring-fencing Australia with a vaccine is the best measure we can take to keep us safe. Now that’s a no-brainer
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Post by caskur on Mar 19, 2021 14:42:45 GMT 10
But our borders aren't really closed, are they?
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Post by caskur on Mar 19, 2021 14:45:50 GMT 10
A year ago this time people were being reminded HOURLY TO WASH HANDS AND SOCIAL DISTANCE..... the pandemic is still on so where are the reminders? They are non-existent. It's all about the vaccine no one has seen yet or will see anytime soon. Surely you have variable message signs on your roads? We have reminders everywhere here! Get out on the roads and the highways and you'll see them. Go into any transport hub ór onto any bus or train and they'll be there! They're also in shops and basically everywhere the public congregates. I recently went away to Hawks Nest for a week and have just come back from Bathurst the other day. All the way to both destinations and back I was reminded as I drove along about the importance of washing hands during the pandemic!! I must have been reminded a thousand times on my travels as these electronic signs keep changing messages along with traffic info. If you don't have these variable message signs - although I'm sure you do - you should get on to that premier of yours and remind him of the importance of keeping the handwashing message out there! Is this one big enough? I have only been outside 3 times in the past 8.5 weeks and never saw 1 warning sign anywhere.
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Post by ponto on Mar 19, 2021 17:09:00 GMT 10
To be fair Pim they are helping PNG and Torres Strait Islanders, knowing they are the weakest link for Australia, and as Europe is holding onto their covid vaccines. perhaps a good thing, Australia has to make millions of the doses the vaccine first before the government can widely use the vaccine....or simply the commitment is there, the government is doing a fair job.
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Post by matte on Mar 19, 2021 19:40:45 GMT 10
If we had a genuinely humanitarian government that was also courageous enough to stare down the short term “Australia First” xenophobia of the shock jocks, the Pauline Hansons and the redneck white supremacists (and yes Matt I’m looking at you), they wouldn’t just send a token amount of 8000 doses to PNG, they’d give PNG everything we’ve got in the way of COVID-19 vaccine plus send up medical teams to help administer the vaccine to enough of the PNG population that would give them herd immunity. Then they’d vaccinate all of the Torres Strait islanders. In the meantime here on the Australian mainland the rest of us would go on doing what we’ve been doing: washing our hands, practising social distance and just observing strict personal hygiene behind closed international borders. Maybe that would delay the rollout of the vaccine by a year. So what. Ring-fencing Australia with a vaccine is the best measure we can take to keep us safe. Now that’s a no-brainer I have absolutely no issue with the federal government sending 16 million doses of the vaccine to PNG (considering PNG has a population of over 8 million, that is two doses for each person). They have a medical emergency, we do not. We have time in Australia and CSL can continue to produce the vaccine, they could produce more than the 50 million contracted with permission from AstraZeneca.
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Post by pim on Mar 21, 2021 12:19:54 GMT 10
I’ve got my COVID-19 jab all sorted! Tuesday 30th!
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Post by matte on Mar 21, 2021 15:20:05 GMT 10
I don't support the vaccine, so I do not need to go on about that.
However, I find it really crazy how Labor and the Greens have attempted to criticise Scott Morrison and the government about the rollout and vaccine availability. The government had a plan which obviously is not going to plan. It was based on Australia receiving delivery of the vaccines from overseas and because some of these have not arrived the rollout has been modified.
But they give him no credit for his government negotiating with AstraZeneca to have the vaccine locally produced in Australia in partnership with CSL. Without that plan, we would not have a vaccine program at the moment. It would not be worth continuing with the lack of deliveries from overseas.
The plan has changed, but is the government failing?
Lets put it this way Pim, without the supply being produced at CSL, you wouldn't be getting your vaccine on the 30th.
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Post by matte on Mar 21, 2021 15:25:21 GMT 10
I personally would have preferred CSL produce the Novavax vaccine, which is far more safe than the AstraZeneca one, because it is based on older, safer and proven technology. If that were happening, I would take the vaccine.
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Post by pim on Mar 21, 2021 16:22:02 GMT 10
Whatever.
As for your attempt at finding fault with the Labor Party over the vaccine. I don’t call it “playing cheap politics” when Scotty from Marketing hypes up the rollout and gives the full rainbow-hued Scotty from Marketing treatment to how wonderful it’s going to be, and raises expectations through the roof to a level that is impossible to fill, only to whinge and whine when the Labor opposition points out the failure to meet the unrealistically high expectations that Scotty from Marketing had raised with his spin and blather.
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