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Post by matte on Mar 21, 2021 16:27:55 GMT 10
Whatever. As for your attempt at finding fault with the Labor Party over the vaccine. I don’t call it “playing cheap politics” when Scotty from Marketing hypes up the rollout and gives the full rainbow-hued Scotty from Marketing treatment to how wonderful it’s going to be, and raises expectations through the roof to a level that is impossible to fill, only to whinge and whine when the Labor opposition points out the failure to meet the unrealistically high expectations that Scotty from Marketing had raised with his spin and blather. It had been Labor playing politics, carping about things that everyone knows is out of the control of the government. Australia can only control what happens within its borders. Seriously, what would a Labor government do if it had ordered all of those vaccines and the European Union blocked the export of them? What plan would they have had? At least the Liberal government has had the foresight to have sovereign control over a large portion of our own supply.
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Post by pim on Mar 21, 2021 16:35:47 GMT 10
I personally would prefer that America leads the advanced industrialised liberal democracies the way they did under Truman after WW2 when under the Marshall Plan they vaccinated and fed all the war-ravaged countries of Europe and Asia. Vaccinate the Third World first. Divert all the various vaccines to countries like Bangladesh and PNG. The rest of us might have to wait another year for our jab. No tokenism like Scotty from Marketing’s miserable 8000 doses of AstraZeneca to Port Moresby. Divert the entire production of Covid-19 vaccine to the countries that have the least capacity to produce it themselves or acquire it on the global market. The rest of us can wash our hands, wear masks and practise social distancing for another year.
If the game of silly buggers that is currently being played in Europe over AstraZeneca prevents its distribution then expect the Russians and the Chinese to leap at the chance for some soft power diplomacy and offer their own vaccines around the Third World. You talk about playing politics? There it is on a global scale.
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Post by matte on Mar 21, 2021 17:06:55 GMT 10
I personally would prefer that America leads the advanced industrialised liberal democracies the way they did under Truman after WW2 when under the Marshall Plan they vaccinated and fed all the war-ravaged countries of Europe and Asia. Vaccinate the Third World first. Divert all the various vaccines to countries like Bangladesh and PNG. The rest of us might have to wait another year for our jab. No tokenism like Scotty from Marketing’s miserable 8000 doses of AstraZeneca to Port Moresby. Divert the entire production of Covid-19 vaccine to the countries that have the least capacity to produce it themselves or acquire it on the global market. India should help Bangladesh. It is right next door and India has one of the most advanced vaccine manufacturing industries in the world. Now, when it comes to the Pacific, I have no opposition to PNG being given 16 million doses from the CSL batches that are currently being rolled off the production line. I would applaud Scott Morrison if he came out right now and said that our vaccination program would be delayed by 12 weeks due to the vaccines being sent to PNG. This should be seen as a strategic thing. We need to keep China and its vaccines out of Papua New Guinea.
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Post by pim on Mar 21, 2021 18:20:35 GMT 10
I’m not making it specifically about Bangladesh you fool and I’m sure the Indians don’t need your advice on whom to share their vaccines with.
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Post by ponto on Mar 21, 2021 18:22:43 GMT 10
US has managed to vaccinate about 40mill of its citizens, UK 12mill, India 6 mill...Australia 250,000...not all the front line staff in OZ has been vaccinated...when there is more vaccine then Australia will give out more.
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Post by matte on Mar 21, 2021 19:01:49 GMT 10
US has managed to vaccinate about 40mill of its citizens, UK 12mill, India 6 mill...Australia 250,000...not all the front line staff in OZ has been vaccinated...when there is more vaccine then Australia will give out more. The United States has administered over 100 million vaccines. While two doses of the mRNA vaccines is required, even just one provides protection.
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Post by pim on Mar 21, 2021 19:24:47 GMT 10
“We” need to do this. “We” says the puffed-up little white supremacist from western Sydney in all his whitefella triumphalist chauvinism. “We”! Who the fuck do you mean by “we”?
What if PNG decides that it will accept China’s offer of mass vaccination when it looks at Australia’s paltry 8000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine? And decides it’s so grateful that it happily gives China a slice of its territory on the Torres Strait to build its infrastructure for whatever purposes it proposes. From their point of view it can’t be worse than the vulture capitalism that Australians have practised in mining, forestry and fishing. But, declares Matt, “WE” need to keep China blah blah blah. Strewth Matt you sound like that obscure little newspaper from some forgotten corner of the British Empire during the Crimean War in the late 1800s which thundered in its editorial: “We warn the Tsar”. There’s a word for the whitefella chauvinism of people like you: preposterous.
The plop plop plop of your absurd bullshit might drown us here on NTB but I’m afraid the Chinese won’t give a shit. And neither should they.
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Post by caskur on Mar 21, 2021 19:36:37 GMT 10
US has managed to vaccinate about 40mill of its citizens, UK 12mill, India 6 mill...Australia 250,000...not all the front line staff in OZ has been vaccinated...when there is more vaccine then Australia will give out more. It is worse than sad Australia is run by inept slugs.... I can't wait for them to be voted out.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 22, 2021 7:06:44 GMT 10
You have to be sensible about this. We are not in dire straits down here. Others are - and they are the ones who should be getting the vaccine, not us!
Labor couldn't do this any better.
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Post by ponto on Mar 22, 2021 8:13:20 GMT 10
Anything thing can do Labor can do better,....except rorting, and if Labor had been in power the howling from the LNP and media would have been deafening as to the slow roll out.
It appears Australians have elected a genuinely Trumpian Government. While it is busy “grabbing ’em by the pussy”, and giving away tens of billions to its mates in every way that it can imagine, when it comes to the serious business of government, like running the most important vaccine rollout in modern history, Morrison’s rabble can’t manage a piss-up in a brewery.
Doctors are in revolt over virus payments. Clinics are already at capacity and will need to stay open 24 hours to deliver shots. Australian GP Alliance is calling block payments to make it viable.
The April target for four million immunisations is shot to pieces with only 125k done today.
The October target of herd immunity is a joke. It is will likely bleed well into next year.
We are already all but last among developed economies in the rollout. Now we will fall far behind:
And that’s not even the clangor. Let’s recall the corrupt process that led to Australia choosing the Astra Zeneca vaccine as its front line jab in a mad political rush:
The Director of Government Affairs at Scott Morrison’s suddenly favourite new drug company AstraZeneca is former federal govt lobbyist Kieran Schneemann.
He’s also a former Chief of Staff in the Liberal party.
I'm sure Scott Morrison forgot to mention it today.
It seems AstraZeneca have an interesting history in government contracting related offences
Since 2000, they've paid out over USD $543 million in fines.
Read more here...https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/03/can-grab-em-by-the-pussy-cant-roll-out-a-vaccine/
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Post by pim on Mar 22, 2021 8:18:17 GMT 10
Ain’t that the truth! The Liberals and the cockroaches of the Murdoch Hate Media would have been screaming “national emergency!” and calling for the Governor General to do a Kerr.
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Post by ponto on Mar 22, 2021 8:30:55 GMT 10
Read the edited post to get more of the picture...
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Post by Stellar on Mar 22, 2021 9:06:30 GMT 10
We also DO NOT have a pandemic down here! Are you deaf and blind to the facts?
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Post by ponto on Mar 22, 2021 9:15:27 GMT 10
The pandemic could easily breakout bad for Australia...is the point in fact.
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Post by matte on Mar 22, 2021 19:02:17 GMT 10
I wish we were giving these now TGA approved vaccines to PNG, where the true emergency exists.
We do not need them in Australia, we can wait until PNG has enough of these vaccines to vaccinate its entire population.
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Post by ponto on Mar 22, 2021 19:39:19 GMT 10
What you on about ....Australia has a program and a obligation to help PNG, Australia has just begun the journey of vaccine roll out and production.
While overseas aid has been reduced in the Oceania region under the coalition, another matter, Australia cannot help 3rd world countries if its economy goes down the plug hole from covid or anything else....the country has to remain strong.
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Post by matte on Mar 22, 2021 21:15:59 GMT 10
What you on about ....Australia has a program and a obligation to help PNG, Australia has just begun the journey of vaccine roll out and production. While overseas aid has been reduced in the Oceania region under the coalition, another matter, Australia cannot help 3rd world countries if its economy goes down the plug hole from covid or anything else....the country has to remain strong. So you're happy with just 8000 doses going to PNG? They have a population of over 8 million people, that many doses won't even be a drop in the bucket.
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Post by ponto on Mar 23, 2021 3:20:25 GMT 10
There seems to be some lack of very basic understanding.....at this stage Australia doesn't have 8 million doses to give to anyone including Australians.
Australia has a program that will see Papua New Guineans receive doses when production increases.
Australia called on Wednesday for 1 million doses it has ordered of the European-made AstraZeneca to be redirected to PNG.
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Wednesday threatened to take over AstraZeneca’s factories, fuelling doubts that the 1 million doses could be available to reach PNG in time. The continent is still battling waves of infection and European leaders have accused the company of only delivering a third of its production targets.
“We are in the crisis of the century,” said von der Leyen. “I’m not ruling out anything for now because we have to make sure that Europeans are vaccinated as soon as possible.”
Prime Minister Scott Morrison, Health Minister Greg Hunt, and Foreign Minister Marise Payne wrote to their European counterparts on Wednesday. Hunt said on Thursday he had also spoken with the global head of AstraZeneca.
Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt and Deputy Chief Medical Officer, Professor Michael Kidd, to provide a COVID-19 update.
“[We] have all written requesting that given that this is a humanitarian disaster, potentially, related to COVID in a developing nation, that deep humanity should see these vaccines released,” said Hunt. “We are willing to forgo those million from Australia, in order to assign them to PNG.”...https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/calls-for-png-to-take-chinese-vaccines-to-tackle-outbreak-20210318-p57bx2.html
As well as the Torres Strait Islands consider there are many close countries to Australia in need of vaccines..... Timor-Leste, West Papua, Fiji so its a world issue not just Australia alone can save all the 3rd world countries in need.
Conclude...Do gooders spreading disinformation are a public menace creating dumb people..
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Post by pim on Mar 23, 2021 4:44:01 GMT 10
Imagine if during WW2 an arms manufacturer had decided to play silly buggers with production runs over contracts to manufacture and deliver bombs to be dropped by Lancasters on German targets.
I think it’s safe to say that company would have been given short shrift by the wartime government of Winston Churchill. The War Powers Act would have been invoked. The analogy with the silly buggers being played by AstraZeneca is clear. Alas, governments these days are more pusillanimous.
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Post by ponto on Mar 23, 2021 9:15:01 GMT 10
I don't know if its anti vaxxers are spreading the disinformation on Australia's covid plans like what Matte is using here, Sky news..?? ....right from the beginning the government, (in between carrying on like dogs on heat in Canberra that Scotty is shedding crocodile tears over), in before the vaccines were found was telling us the Pacific Region will be looked after in the roll out of vaccines. There is a Pacific Island (name escapes me) where there is no Covid and yet the government has stated it will be a country it vaccinate first as a preventative. Australia with NZ are aware of its duty to its neighbours.
Australia has no control over countries like PNG reacts to covid, apparently it was funerals that is responsible for the outbreak, so PNG has gone into lock down measures.
PNG is a independent country with its own economy yet is corrupt where health infrastructure has been left wanting, yet Australia is in there willing to help...can Australia do better ...yes but for small country it is punching above its weight.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 23, 2021 9:15:46 GMT 10
I agree. China has too much influence in PNG and they have the money to throw around and virtually buy up everything. It's really worrying. And if they come up with the vaccines needed, they'll be looked on as saviours.
And that's something they definitely are not! It's all strategic with them and getting that foothold in the Torres Strait. Daru is one of the few islands in the Torres Strait that is governed by PNG and they want it.
We need to keep them out.
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Post by pim on Mar 23, 2021 10:22:35 GMT 10
"We" again. "We warn the Tsar". It's a metaphor. Geddit? I know that China doesn't have a Tsar.
Matt and Stellar default to whitefella hegemonic language when talking about the Asia/Pacific and it's in the DNA of Australian conservatives to talk that way.
There's a difference between being one player in the Asia/Pacific among a lot of other players, and being the regional hegemon. The US has been the regional hegemon since WW2 until 4 years of Trump probably terminally trashed that role. Biden is trying to press the reset button on US hegemony but is coming up against a rising China who I am certain welcomes the opportunity to exercise soft power diplomacy in the region. Hell, if you were the PNG PM and you contemplated a developing health disaster in your country and Australia was constrained in giving the promised million Astrazeneca doses because of corporate bullshit in Europe, and along comes China with its vaccine and says "How can we help?" what would you do?
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Post by ponto on Mar 23, 2021 10:42:23 GMT 10
While going back a while I recall Stellar and others pronouncing Australia should cut foreign aid as Johnnie Howards had done...so not surprisingly our neighbours to the north and pacific countries would like to China with a fistful of dollars.
Australia and NZ surely didn't knock back trade with China for the lucrative markets.
Would it be surprising if PNG played Australia off against China to increase its benefits from Australia....probably not.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 23, 2021 10:45:40 GMT 10
And I say we should get in first. And remind the Papuans that China is not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. But while the Papuans are probably salivating over Chinese cash and their vaccines, it definitely comes with obligations. I hope we wise them up as to how this will all pan out. Because once China gets a foothold, that's it - they own them, lock stock and barrell. And we - god there's that word again that Pim says we can't use - will be surrounded by the island grabbing chinks. Not a good position for us to be in.
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Post by Stellar on Mar 23, 2021 10:50:16 GMT 10
While going back a while I recall Stellar and others pronouncing Australia should cut foreign aid as Johnnie Howards had done...so not surprisingly our neighbours to the north and pacific countries would like to China with a fistful of dollars. Would it be surprising if PNG played Australia off against China to increase its benefits from Australia....probably not. I didn't say we should cut foreign aid to countries in our own territory such as the south Pacific. I said we should cut aid to the Middle East and Africa. Of course PNG will do what they can to get the best "deal." But any deal with China they'll come off second best.
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