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Post by bender on Feb 22, 2021 15:09:31 GMT 10
"Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if (1) the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and (2) is likely to incite or produce such action.[2]" disorders. We aren't talking about advocacy of force. The right to gather is also a 1st amendment right that has recently been taken from us by the government. But here's the leftists: "Yessir. I'll get back into my house , and slap that diaper over my face sir. And please put your jackboot back on my throat sir ", like a little bitch. Thinking for one's self is apparently hate speech, according to you. You were saying that you didn't refer to anyone being Nazi's? Once again Spork you lapse into compulsive dishonesty. Please try and restrain yourself.
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Post by ponto on Feb 22, 2021 16:30:58 GMT 10
There is a global pandemic derived from a virulent contagious virus that requires cooperation from all people to constrain the virus and lessen the impact until the vaccine is widely distributed so life can return to normalcy.
Yet conspiracist argue the loss of freedom for a short while is paramount to a dictatorship and a hoax, a scam on the people.
Normal intelligent people will comply because it is for the greater good of society to make the sacrifice of lockdown, social distancing and wearing mask, until the virus is contained and no longer a threat to society, seeing that there is no logical reason why democratic governments would wat to enforce loss of freedom, and exert mind control on the people.
Yet in recent times with the rise of Pentecostal religion, QAnon, conspiracy RW think tanks, Anti Vaxxers etc having a greater voice on the internet has attracted a superstitious of government and media audience who get angry with what they read from conspiracy sites, people as eg; who got embroiled with Trumpism went out and bought arms because they think a civil wars is coming. People who think if people do not think with their conspiracies then they are evil against them and need hanging as was the chanting on Capitol Hill riots...hang Pence, Hang Pelosi and others and would have if they had been found ...much like the superstitious fundamentalist Christians burning witches.
Fundamentalist Capitalist Christianity is creating a superstitious world that belongs to another time, the dark ages, yet it has gained strength which is puzzling in todays world, advancing regressive than progressive.
It seems that humans have retained the superstitious nature of un-educated people, or just as in the 70's people turned to eastern religions for enlightenment because it reached the synapsis of the brain that made people think they held a greater knowledge pathway to consciousness.
Conspiracists have locked on to that enlightenment pathway that makes people think they are aware of something greater, yet the synapsis is corrupt and taken the wrong path, not to a peaceful enlightenment, a pathway to dark anger and the people not aware they are being fed bullshit are convinced of the need to buy weapons and kill others.
Some have been convinced by Pentecostal prophecies Trump will return March 4....and if that fails then Biden is a caretaker President working for Trump....that is the logic...yet people are convinced, where the brain synapsis link occurs....tap into that and you got the people feeding out of your hand.
Bender as a suggestion forget trying sway Occam's opinion and conspiracies, it is only something he can change he is like someone addicted to playing computer games, they cannot be swayed to change to a healthy way of thinking until they realise themselves what they are stating fucked....looking at the causes then a solution can be found.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 23, 2021 0:58:55 GMT 10
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 24, 2021 14:02:40 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Feb 24, 2021 17:06:14 GMT 10
Occam on your point about COVID-19 ... I tended to stay out of the thread because I was waiting for a decision by the highest court in our country, the High Court of Australia. It’s the equivalent of the US Supreme Court and, I guess, your own Canadian Supreme Court in that it has the last word. It tends to rule on constitutional matters but it can also act as the final court of appeal in criminal matters such as when about a year ago it overturned the conviction of Cardinal George Pell for child sexual abuse and ordered his immediate release from jail where he was 12 months into a six year prison sentence. With the COVID-19 pandemic the states shut their borders and each state went into lockdown. This was challenged in the High Court by a mining billionaire on the grounds that Section 96 of the Australian Constitution says that trade and movement between the states shall be absolutely free. It was one of those cases where the plaintiff had a strong case in a “black letter” sense but you hoped he’d lose in the interests of public health. The case dragged on and on and finally the High Court ruled against the plaintiff and in favour of the state border closures on public health grounds. www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/24/clive-palmer-v-western-australia-border-ban-justified-by-risks-of-covid-19-high-court-revealsClearly the High Court of Australia doesn’t share your view that the coronavirus is only 5% truth. Now I wouldn’t blame you as someone who lives in Canada that you might react to a ruling by a court on the other side of the world with a certain indifference and with a shrug of the shoulders. I can understand that and we’d probably react the same way to a Canadian court ruling. But in Australia if our High Court makes a ruling, it counts! In this country if we encounter scepticism or denialism in relation to the pandemic the sceptics and the denialists are going to be hard pressed arguing with the High Court of Australia. Put it down to our history as a dumping ground for Britain’s criminals (they sent a few Canadian malcontents Down Under in chains too! There’s a Canada Bay in Sydney Harbour that commemorates them). We know about courts. This is the country that invented the term “bush lawyer”!
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Post by ponto on Feb 24, 2021 18:39:36 GMT 10
Apart from RW media especially Murdoch empire media and news with its pro-conservative anti climate change misinformation agenda, most media and news is reasonably balanced in reporting.
For RW conservatives Australia's ABC is considered LW biased yet is the most balanced media there is in Australia. Still the RW will claim its biased reporting just for the fact it is not reporting what they want to hear.
For Sporkos the mainstream media is reporting that Covid-19 is a serious pandemic so he claims bias and mistrust. While he may claim otherwise no doubt he reads /listens to Trumpo supporting online conspiracist news, thinking that's a more a reliable source, and the riots and 5 deaths on Capitol Hill is all manufactured democrat doctored news...that is his reality....and nothing will convince him otherwise.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 25, 2021 22:04:24 GMT 10
"Give my regards to your puppet Master. " -Elon Musk, (to the Washington Post)
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Post by ponto on Feb 26, 2021 1:25:10 GMT 10
First step to losing an addiction is to recognise you have one...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 26, 2021 3:13:10 GMT 10
First step to losing an addiction is to recognise you have one... Recognize your addiction to fear. The survival rate of Corona Virus is about 97% We wouldn't prohibit driving because a few people have died from it; so it stands to reason why must we quarantine everyone for the difficulties of a few? Think about it.
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Post by bender on Feb 26, 2021 13:24:00 GMT 10
First step to losing an addiction is to recognise you have one... Recognize your addiction to fear. The survival rate of Corona Virus is about 97% We wouldn't prohibit driving because a few people have died from it; so it stands to reason why must we quarantine everyone for the difficulties of a few? Think about it. I'm starting to think that Spork is just winding everyone up. No one could be this stupid and still manage to log on to a computer. What is it Spork? Are you just lonely? Do you just want a little attention? Is that all this is? Spork, in 2019 (which I thought was a fairer comparison) there were 1900 vehicle fatalities on Canadian Roads. In 2020 Canada suffered about 16,000 COVID fatalities. So it caused about 8 X the usual national road toll. Some people might still say, well, even if you multiplied the road toll by 8 X people would still drive. Think about it. So lets think about it. If all of a sudden the road toll multiplied by 8 X, don't you think the Authorities would very quickly respond to such an increase and put controls in place to mitigate the risk that is causing such a dramatic increase in the road toll. They would lower speed limits, put extra snowplows on the road, increase police presence and ramp up drug and alcohol testing. There would be immediate action to rectify whatever it is that is causing such a dramatic increase in deaths. Imagine if 8 times the usual number of Canadians died in plane crashes. How many weeks do you think the Government would accept that rise before they grounded all aircraft to stop any further deaths whilst they investigated and introduced mitigations. To claim that everyone would just accept that new state of affairs on the grounds that we need to drive is so incredibly stupid that words alone can not sum up its blithe and unashamed ignorance. The other side of that is the ability of our health services to stay on top of presentations and be able to give every symptomatic patient appropriate care. Whilst the raw figures show between 2 and 3% mortality, that is largely because the case load has been stretched out over the course of a year. Given the speed at which COVID-19 can spread, if the bulk of cases all arrived at once (which is what happens when a disease like that starts doubling in cases every 3 - 4 days) without putting in Control Measures like stay at home orders and the use of Social Distancing, PPE and Masks we would have seen a far higher death rate because not everyone would get adequate treatment. To try and claim that the measures weren't necessary because they worked is just idiocy of the highest order. Yet to someone so mindnumbingly stupid as Spork it makes perfect sense.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 26, 2021 13:49:53 GMT 10
Jsyk: I have a tendency to simply ignore people who only desire to be verbally abusive...
I have no time/patience to indulge toxic people.
I'm funny that way.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 26, 2021 14:03:42 GMT 10
Clearly the High Court of Australia doesn’t share your view that the coronavirus is only 5% truth. Now I wouldn’t blame you as someone who lives in Canada that you might react to a ruling by a court on the other side of the world with a certain indifference and with a shrug of the shoulders. I can understand that and we’d probably react the same way to a Canadian court ruling. But in Australia if our High Court makes a ruling, it counts! In this country if we encounter scepticism or denialism in relation to the pandemic the sceptics and the denialists are going to be hard pressed arguing with the High Court of Australia. Fair enough, but in light of this how do Australians now see the Censorship of Trump and other like-minded Conservatives stand, now that Trump was acquitted from the charge of inciting violence at the capital building? Doesn't that make the charge of Twitter, Facebook, and Google now groundless/ baseless? Shouldn't that now mean Parler was unnecessarily censored in the eyes of Australians? Help me understand...
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Post by bender on Feb 26, 2021 15:06:11 GMT 10
Jsyk: I have a tendency to simply ignore people who only desire to be verbally abusive... I have no time/patience to indulge toxic people. I'm funny that way. You're funny in quite a few ways Spork.....
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Post by ponto on Feb 27, 2021 4:23:49 GMT 10
Trump was not acquitted for not inciting violence, he was acquitted by the republicans on the grounds he was no longer President....he was given a get out of jail free card by the republicans because the charges of inciting violence were laid while he was president.
It was acknowledged by those in the white house including most republicans that Trump in fact did incite the lynching party violence on Capitol Hill.
If the deaths from Covid virus was at 1% (it is higher), that is still 10 times higher than people dying from the flu, over 400,000 people have died in the US from the virus, plus deaths from stokes and heart attacks not included in the figures with people having covid virus, where the USA population level is 331,000,000 and low precaution's taken under Trump management explains the high numbers of deaths in the US.
Country with the most covid deaths, more US deaths in a year than WW1 and WW2 and Vietnam combined.
It is the Christian pentecostal fundamentalist right wing that put out such notions that the vaccine for covid alters the bodies DNA so then Jesus will not accept your soul, or a Bill Gates plot for mind control...etc..just read what Spork espouses.....creating doubt and fear mongering deliberately undermining health advice.
Christians creating division mistrust and ultimately hate...and as with 6th Jan Capitol Hill failed fascist coup, deny they and Trump were involved, blame the democrats.
Snakey bastards don't have the guts to admit to their own culpable machinations....get the misinformation out there and then deny.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 27, 2021 8:04:39 GMT 10
Trump was not acquitted for not inciting violence, he was acquitted by the republicans on the grounds he was no longer President....he was given a get out of jail free card by the republicans because the charges of inciting violence were laid while he was president. It was acknowledged by those in the white house including most republicans that Trump in fact did incite the lynching party violence on Capitol Hill. If the deaths from Covid virus was at 1% (it is higher), that is still 10 times higher than people dying from the flu, over 400,000 people have died in the US from the virus, plus deaths from stokes and heart attacks not included in the figures with people having covid virus, where the USA population level is 331,000,000 and low precaution's taken under Trump management explains the high numbers of deaths in the US. Country with the most covid deaths, more US deaths in a year than WW1 and WW2 and Vietnam combined. It is the Christian pentecostal fundamentalist right wing that put out such notions that the vaccine for covid alters the bodies DNA so then Jesus will not accept your soul, or a Bill Gates plot for mind control...etc..just read what Spork espouses.....creating doubt and fear mongering deliberately undermining health advice. Christians creating division mistrust and ultimately hate...and as with 6th Jan Capitol Hill failed fascist coup, deny they and Trump were involved, blame the democrats. Snakey bastards don't have the guts to admit to their own culpable machinations....get the misinformation out there and then deny. You took some creative license in your paraphrasing. www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/02/13/us/politics/trump-impeachment.amp.html
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Post by ponto on Feb 27, 2021 9:13:26 GMT 10
There was a vote to say whether Trump could be impeached while presdient, they voted yes....then there was a vote to impeach Trump and the majority of republicans voted no, though a bipartisan majority said he was guilty of incitement....the New York Times is misleading with its headline grab he was acquitted of incitement.
It was Trump who called for a march on Capitol Hill, no one else, and the lynching party marchers after being told they are patriots were expecting Trump to be with them leading the coup were surprised he was not there, where was he..?... at home watching and relishing what he created unfold on TV with his family.....an attempted coup inspired by him.
Why the Christian RW think he is the messiah is unbelievable, where these people believe in false prophets, talk in tongues and God talks through them,....telling naive Christians take the vaccine and you will become a Satanist as the virus is fake...in this day and age that is just dumb and divisive drongoism for the civil ignorant bible bashers.
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Post by Gort on Feb 27, 2021 10:42:11 GMT 10
Speaking of social censorship ... is it "OK" to say someone should be strangled? Toxic Canberra too much for MP Nicolle FlintDAVID PENBERTHY SOUTH AUSTRALIA CORRESPONDENT FEBRUARY 27, 2021 SA Liberal MP Nicolle Flint. Liberal MP Nicolle Flint is quitting politics and will not contest the next election in a bombshell move that highlights the toxic treatment of women in Canberra. Ms Flint — who was hounded, stalked, and labelled a slut and a prostitute in the vicious 2019 campaign in the South Australian seat of Boothby — has decided she can no longer tolerate the pressures of political life as a female MP. Ms Flint is also personally devastated by the events of the past fortnight, during which rape allegations have hung over parliament, and has decided she no longer wants any part of Canberra life. Former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins’ allegation — first made public on February 15 — that she was raped by a colleague in the office of then defence industry minister Linda Reynolds has led to the emergence of a string of claims about inappropriate sexual behaviour in politics. The latest, published first by the ABC on Friday, was made against an unnamed cabinet minister and related to a historical rape that allegedly occurred in 1988, before the man entered politics. Labor Senate leader Penny Wong and Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young sent the anonymous complaint to the The Australian Federal Police. The alleged victim was last year assisting police with inquiries but has since died. Labor education spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek has also been sent correspondence relating to historical rape allegations against a frontbench colleague, adding to an increasingly febrile environment within parliament. Ms Flint, 42, is a former adviser to Malcolm Turnbull and Brendan Nelson, and an Institute of Public Affairs fellow. She will have held Boothby for just two terms when she walks away from politics. Scott Morrison had been advised of her plans not to recontest her seat but her fellow MPs had no knowledge of her intention to walk away. Ms Flint informed her branch members of her decision on Friday night, which sent shockwaves through South Australian Liberal ranks and sparked a scramble for preselection. Her departure reflects not just her continuing distress at the treatment she faced from GetUp!, Labor and unions in the 2019 Boothby campaign, but also her disappointment at some Liberals within the moderate-dominated state division who she believes did little to protect her and in some cases were actually willing her to fail as a party conservative. Responding to her decision on Friday night, the Prime Minister said: “The public attention from being a parliamentarian does sometimes attract unacceptable behaviour, and I have admired Nicolle’s efforts to stand against the bullying and nastiness of particular groups and individuals.” Ms Flint’s statement to be released publicly on Saturday offers no comment as to why she is leaving and she told The Weekend Australian she would not make any further comment. “I have informed the Liberal Party of Australia (SA division) that I will not be renominating for the seat of Boothby at the forthcoming federal election,” her statement reads. “It has been an honour to represent the people of Boothby over two terms and I am grateful to them, and to my Liberal Party members, for giving me this opportunity. “ I will continue to work hard to serve my local community until the election … I will also continue to work hard on policy issues I have championed in my time in parliament such as endometriosis, stillbirth, improved road and rail infrastructure, the arts and protecting Australia from foreign interference and predatory foreign investment. “I will work to support the candidate who is preselected by my Liberal Party members to ensure we return a Liberal government, led by Prime Minister Scott Morrison, to guide our nation out of the COVID-19 pandemic and beyond.” As an IPA fellow and party conservative, Ms Flint has come under intense criticism on social media and faced frequent abuse from her critics, who have accused her of denying climate change and attacked her past support of former prime minister Tony Abbott. She has written about her distress at abuse she faced from commentators including former Fairfax columnist Mike Carlton who wrote of her during an appearance on ABC’s Q&A that she was a “liberal shill” who deserved to be strangled. Last year Ms Flint responded to a column by an Adelaide ABC broadcaster ridiculing her appearance, shoes and hair by posting a video of herself dressed in a plastic garbage bag and asking whether that would be a more appropriate outfit for her to wear as a female MP. The Weekend Australian understands that Ms Flint’s decision to leave was galvanised two weeks ago when the radical environmental group Extinction Rebellion surrounded her southern Adelaide office for the third time and painted over nine of her windows with graffiti while her staff were inside.
She had documented the fears she faced during the 2019 campaign in a submission to the Joint Parliamentary Standing Committee on Electoral Matters and again in a speech to parliament in November where she talked about the sexualised abuse she faced as a female MP.
“I did not put up my hand so I could be the sole candidate heckled, mocked and shouted down by GetUp, Labor and union members at community meetings,” Ms Flint told parliament. “I did not put up my hand so my election posters could be defaced with the words ‘skank’ and ‘blow and go’, suggesting I was a prostitute charging $60 an hour.”
Ms Flint revealed her distress at her treatment in the 2019 election campaign in an interview with The Australian. “This was a campaign to destroy me personally, a concerted attack to destroy me mentally,” she said at the time. “They wanted to get me to a point where I could not function as a candidate, where I was afraid to go out. It was a campaign that has very serious ramifications for how we conduct politics in this country.“We regard ourselves as an open and civil society. Instead, I ended up feeling unsafe for much of the campaign. I credit both GetUp and the unions for creating an environment where abuse, harassment, intimidation, shouting people down and even stalking became the new normal.
“By running such an abusive personal campaign in my seat, GetUp and the unions created an environment where all these things were not only possible, but probable.”Boothby has been held by the Liberals since 1949. It attracted unprecedented attention at the 2019 campaign as it was the only Liberal-held electorate in the state regarded as winnable for Labor. But Ms Flint held the seat with a 1.3 per cent margin. www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/toxic-canberra-too-much-for-mp-nicolle-flint/news-story/89f6cfc8ea96640b52f17bb85b4c7b88
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Post by ponto on Feb 27, 2021 11:25:47 GMT 10
Irrelevant to the topic at hand...just another LNP inspired diversion.
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Post by Gort on Feb 27, 2021 11:27:53 GMT 10
Perfectly relevant.
Someone posting on social media that a woman should be strangled? Is that social media out of control? I think it is.
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Post by ponto on Feb 27, 2021 11:48:03 GMT 10
Nicolle Flint doesn't mind bullying with her Institute of Public Affairs far right opinions and when gets blow back cries victimhood....yeah sure mate, she playing to an audience and creating diversion for ScoMo with resigning.
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Post by pim on Feb 27, 2021 12:37:44 GMT 10
Fair enough, but in light of this how do Australians now see the Censorship of Trump and other like-minded Conservatives stand, now that Trump was acquitted from the charge of inciting violence at the capital building? Doesn't that make the charge of Twitter, Facebook, and Google now groundless/ baseless? Shouldn't that now mean Parler was unnecessarily censored in the eyes of Australians? Help me understand... I have a view on this, Occam, and it's a minority view - among Australians! It goes to our origins which couldn't be more different from yours in North America. Now I realise Canada isn't the United States but your two countries are closely linked by history and shared historical experiences so I think I might be right in thinking that some of America's "land of the free" view of itself rubbed off on you Canadians. Particularly Anglophone Canadians. I do understand of course that this glosses over the important differences between your two societies and I don't deny those differences. But you're not Australians either even though when I was in western Canada I was struck by the absence of culture shock as an Australian whereas in the US I felt I was this weird exotic creature from another planet. We began as a jail and that affects our national character down to this day. Drat! I really want to develop this point and not leave it hanging there but Life with a capital L is intervening and I have to go. Hold that thought, Occam, I'll get back to you... A day later ...You ask how we Down Under see the "censorship" of Trump et al now that the impeachment process acquitted Trump of inciting violent insurrection at the Capitol. In Australia we've recently had a case study of how a crime allegedly committed by a very prominent high profile individual resulted in that person being convicted and sentenced by a judge and jury, the conviction and sentence being upheld by a court of appeal within that state's jurisdiction and finally being overturned and quashed by the High Court - which is the highest court in the land and has the last word. Once the High Court makes its pronouncement, that's it. I'm referring to the Catholic Cardinal George Pell who got jailed for raping a child only to be released after serving a year of his 6 year jail sentence when the appeals process ultimately ground down the original conviction and sentence. The fact that Pell's conviction was quashed on appeal doesn't mean he didn't rape the child. If the High Court ruling that quashed Pell's conviction was accepted as proof that he didn't commit the rape, it would follow that the alleged victim who gave the evidence that resulted in the original conviction is a liar and he would be facing a slew of criminal charges of his own - especially perjury. Instead it is open to that person to pursue civil actions against Pell. The High Court ruling states that guilt was not established beyond a reasonable doubt in law. It doesn't follow therefore that Pell's accuser is a liar. As with Pell, so also with Trump except with Trump there's also the political ingredient. Look no further than Mitch McConnell who voted against impeachment, only immediately afterwards to give that astonishing speech in which he stated that Trump was in fact guilty of all of the things he was accused of in the articles of impeachment. In other words McConnell says that Trump is guilty in fact, just not in law. You can accept that sort of hair-splitting legerdemain and jiggery pokery if you like, but don't expect us Down Under with our jailbird past to take that seriously. Now to cap it all, McConnell declares that if Trump wins the Republican nomination in 2024 he, McConnell, will support him 100%. This is the "logic" of the Republican Senate leader who led his Republican troops in voting against Trump's impeachment. This was 0% about the law and 100% about partisan politics. As for Facebook and the other social media platforms, you might have heard that we're having our own battles with Facebook right now in Australia. We're under no illusions that Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc are warriors for "free speech". Don't forget that the Australian guy who shot 50 worshippers in two mosques in Christchurch in NZ steamed the massacre live on Facebook while he was carrying out the massacre, and I don't know how long it took Facebook to take it down but it stayed up there long enough for it to go viral. This is an organisation that is as incapable of shame as Donald Trump so I have no regard or sympathy either for Donald Trump or the social media platforms that banned him. They've all got loads of form. My own reaction to the news that these platforms kicked Donald Trump out has been "what took them so long!" The debate about Donald Trump that has exercised me over the past 5 years has been about the extent to which both social media and the mainstream media have contributed to Trump and Trumpism being "normalised". In Australia when a politician retires and gives his/her last speech to the Parliament we call that a "valedictory". In 2013 there was an Independent member of the Australian parliament named Rob Oakeshott who, in his valedictory, warned the parliament about how extremist politics was increasingly coming into the mainstream of public life. He uttered a line that has stayed with me: "The extreme is invading the centre and this is a matter this parliament will have to address." Subsequent events both in Australia and also overseas have borne out Oakeshott's warning a hundredfold. It's not the first time that the media have had to confront the issue of how to respond to an extremist populist who utters lies, exaggerations and hate speech. Goebbels set the standard back in the 1920s and 1930s. Did Hitler have the free speech "right" to use the media to spread his lies and hate about Jews? And today, when confronted by the lies and hate speech of Donald Trump, what is the media's responsibility? Does it have any responsibility at all? Do you publish hate speech in the name of "free speech"? Do you have the free speech "right" utter threats to politicians to intimidate them in the exercise of their duties under the constitution? Where are the boundaries? Do you really have the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theatre? If you argue that under the principles of free speech there are no boundaries then I disagree with you. If you accept that there are boundaries then that changes the conversation to a debate about where those boundaries lie. Welcome to the great existential debate of our times! The fun part is that it's one in which nobody is going to agree.
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Post by ponto on Feb 27, 2021 15:44:46 GMT 10
"We have a clear and convincing majority of members of Congress that the president actually incited violent insurrection against the union and against the Congress," Raskin said, adding it was the most bipartisan presidential impeachment in the history of the country.
From the start, many Republican senators stood by the president -- with 44 voting Tuesday it was unconstitutional to convict a former president.
He still faces State prosecution and being sued by individuals who were/are on trial for the 6th Jan insurrection with most arguing in their defense they were incited by Trump...it ain't over....Trump will go down in history as a bum.
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Post by pim on Feb 27, 2021 17:02:48 GMT 10
This isn't over by a long way. It's got a long way to run. In my view the so-called "free speech" debate will turn out to be phony because what will happen to Donald Trump is what happened to Al Capone. Everybody knew he was a gangster, a murderer and a lowlife scumbag but he beat the rap on all of it. They couldn't pin anything on him until they looked at his tax records. They got Al Capone on tax. They'll get Donald Trump on tax too
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Post by ponto on Feb 27, 2021 17:22:51 GMT 10
Undoubtably.....no doubt also he will plead insanity to get off on tax and other criminal charges, he has a good case for that.
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