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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 7, 2021 3:51:05 GMT 10
Irrelevant to the topic at hand...just another LNP inspired diversion. Not really irrelevant, if you condemn Trump for making statements that incite violence; yet excuse leftists leaders who've done exactly the same thing. This modern move toward hypertolerance is obviously not working. Maybe people just need to start being more kind and civil towards each other?
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Post by ponto on Mar 7, 2021 6:47:08 GMT 10
What 'leftist leaders' have incited a crowd to acts violence...?
White washing Trumps social divisiveness with a look over here isn't a pathway to people being civil and nice to one another.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 8, 2021 13:16:40 GMT 10
What 'leftist leaders' have incited a crowd to acts violence...? Democrat candidate Maxine Walters.
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Post by ponto on Mar 8, 2021 15:25:37 GMT 10
While she is not a leader how many Maxine Waters supporters stormed upon Capitol Hill like a lynching party.....??
White washing Trumps actions by comparing mole hills with Mnts.....and Trumps speeches just didn't happen on the one day or a one of statement, he was inciting people well in advance as the President, someone with authority claiming the election was fraud.se.
All you are doing is condoning Trumps planned machinations...for the most who are not Americans what he had done was appalling and undemocratic...bordering on a fascist uprising.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 9, 2021 0:35:59 GMT 10
While she is not a leader how many Maxine Waters supporters stormed upon Capitol Hill like a lynching party.....?? . We are talking about hate speech inciting violence. Her inability to inspire her targets to violence inconsequential. It is only further proof as her incompetence as a leader. She is still culpable for her actions.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 9, 2021 0:43:17 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Mar 9, 2021 1:37:18 GMT 10
Waters rhetoric isn't appropriate.....then is she the influential president, were any people inflamed by her one speech into violence.....??
Its a diversion away from Trumps crimes.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 10, 2021 8:21:18 GMT 10
Waters rhetoric isn't appropriate.....then is she the influential president, were any people inflamed by her one speech into violence.....?? Its a diversion away from Trumps crimes. So the culpability of one's moral actions is dependent on their political reach, in your opinion? How about when Joe Biden starts makes implicit remarks about "meeting people behind the gym"?
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Post by ponto on Mar 10, 2021 11:13:14 GMT 10
Waters told her audience to protest their outrage at Trumps staffers...given Trump was and still is a menace to society, quite valid ..its fair enough to protest outrage, (peacefully) whether that be BLM or anti war protest, or anti logging...or any number of things that need protesting about....the rise of neo-liberalism.
This was not the case with Trump who was inciting violent protest as a pathway to demolish democracy for his self grandeur, he cannot admit to himself he lost the election to his followers, anyone voting Democrat their vote illegal and attack, any republican not following or agreeing with Trump was against Trumps America so attack like a dictator, rioters on Capitol Hill were prepared for a lynching and baffled why Trump was not there, (as you have been told), and quite a few of these rioters are facing long prison terms and cannot understand their guilt as they were under Trumps banner of saving the USA.
Face the reality Trump is not a nice person.
What Trump has achieved is that world no longer views America the great, where in the past countries looked to America for leadership and guidance, now the world see's America as a broken sick society and shunned as corrupt, (except Israel)....so it goes you are convinced with Trumpism and the alt right manipulation media....the only thing your convincing me of as this discussion carries on is that you are are a sick minded individual....your last sentence clarifies that.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 14, 2021 6:20:53 GMT 10
I'm not defending Trump... I'm pointing out the leftist hypocrisy.
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Post by pim on Mar 14, 2021 6:29:37 GMT 10
Good morning Occam! I can’t join the discussion because we’re about to head off for a road trip holiday within our fair state of South Australia - a state with a small population of 2 million but a huge surface area as big as several European countries combined and with lots of stunning desert landscapes.
But I couldn’t resist making a comment about “hypocrisy”. Time is short so I’m forced to be brief. Here goes: John 8:7
Cheers!
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Post by ponto on Mar 14, 2021 8:21:23 GMT 10
For Occam the molehill LW misdemeanors is comparable to the major crimes of the neo RW...its no wonder the RW can be lied to such an extent they can be incited into forming into a lynching party rioting on Capitol Hill under the guise of saving democracy and freedom of speech.
Now as an eg; in what happens with allowing hate speech to thrive that ultimately spawns terrorism.
Not so long back the LW media and advocates were saying when clerics or mullahs in the Muslim community were proselytizing on the streets and in prayer rooms in schools with hate speech of anti west sentiments and if any one disagreed with what they were preaching then it was holler racist from the left, we need to hear what they are saying to better ourselves, so they said..and what happened, terrorism was spawned with radical Islam allowed to spread murderous jihad.
Recall also when the notorious Skaffe brothers were raping Australia girls because they were taught they were just non Muslim sluts...open game to be abused, slabs of meat, the left were saying mustn't call them Muslim....that leniency towards hate speech under the banner freedom of speech causes harm.
Then when the shit hit the fan the left scurried off to some other cause to protest about...nothing to do with us.
Now its the neo RW who are driven by hate speech and will increase their terrorism on society because of the angry and disillusionment built by speech by radicals.
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Post by caskur on Mar 14, 2021 9:54:51 GMT 10
While she is not a leader how many Maxine Waters supporters stormed upon Capitol Hill like a lynching party.....?? . We are talking about hate speech inciting violence. Her inability to inspire her targets to violence inconsequential. It is only further proof as her incompetence as a leader. She is still culpable for her actions. lefties are notorious hypocrites and one-eyed...keep calling them on it... if they want to win elections they need to own up to their faults and their lies.
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Post by ponto on Mar 14, 2021 12:24:50 GMT 10
No hypocrisy there/s a right and wrong in this argument if one thinks being lied to as truth there's no point telling those people they are wrong.
Consider where have all the hoax and conspiracy lies have derived from...the alt right....often by people knowing they are promoting a hoax, as in climate change denial, that is the hypocrisy....fooling ignorant people.
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Post by caskur on Mar 14, 2021 12:29:25 GMT 10
No hypocrisy there/s a right and wrong in this argument if one thinks being lied to as truth there's no point telling those people they are wrong. Consider where have all the hoax and conspiracy lies have derived from...the alt right....often by people knowing they are promoting a hoax, as in climate change denial, that is the hypocrisy....fooling ignorant people. The lie on climate change delivered by the left is, they can fix it. You can't fix it.
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Post by ponto on Mar 14, 2021 13:15:07 GMT 10
Sorry that's your unsupported RW opinion that isn't coming from science.
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Post by caskur on Mar 14, 2021 13:33:34 GMT 10
Sorry that's your unsupported RW opinion that isn't coming from science. that is my left wing opinion and I'm never wrong.
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Post by ponto on Mar 14, 2021 15:36:47 GMT 10
Look I can see by the expression on your lovely face, eyes and pouty lips a look of a stunned mullet....Oooo fuck I'm wrong again...me sunnies are fallin' off me head..
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Post by caskur on Mar 14, 2021 20:33:14 GMT 10
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 18, 2021 12:32:52 GMT 10
For Occam the molehill LW misdemeanors is comparable to the major crimes of the neo RW.... ...Didn't the Democrats just make a law that allowed for more human death than the Holocaust? And before you go on your tirade about RW ignoring science, I find it incongruous that LW scientist can label bacteria on Mars, "Life", but turn on their heels when it comes to the early stages of human development. That is what I find hypocritical.
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Post by pim on Mar 18, 2021 14:01:35 GMT 10
Life is life, whether bacterial, microbial or mega faunal. And last time I looked nobody has discovered anything that could remotely be called “life” on Mars. I don’t have much time for the idea of sending humans to Mars and terraforming it so that people can live there. As far as I’m concerned there’s a planet called Earth that we’re trashing so badly we’re going to have to terraform it, not to make it suitable for humans to live on but to keep it suitable for humans to live on.
As for “early stages of human development” and “hypocrisy”, that sounds as if you’re accusing reputable scholars like Chris Stringer - probably the foremost researcher into the early stages of human development as a species - of bringing some sort of ideological/political agenda to his research. Sorry Occam but I don’t buy it.
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Post by ponto on Mar 18, 2021 15:55:19 GMT 10
Chauvinistic dictatorship over women's rights to their bodies is nothing to what so ever the holocaust...trust the Neo Alt Christian fundamentalist to draw that analogy.
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Post by pim on Mar 18, 2021 18:22:49 GMT 10
Didn't the Democrats just make a law that allowed for more human death than the Holocaust? And before you go on your tirade about RW ignoring science, I find it incongruous that LW scientist can label bacteria on Mars, "Life", but turn on their heels when it comes to the early stages of human development. That is what I find hypocritical. Sorry Occam I briefly glanced at your post a couple of hours ago during a short tea break and dashed off a response. I think now that I might have completely misunderstood the point that you were making. It’s late afternoon out here in the middle of the Australian wilderness and I’m relaxing over a post prandial gin & tonic and have had the opportunity to rethink your post. By “early stages of human development” are you referring to foetal development? You’re making an anti-abortion argument? To be anti abortion is a perfectly respectable position to hold but so is to be pro-choice. Good people disagree sharply on abortion and to me the two positions appear irreconcilable. I don’t really want to get into the abortion debate because it’s too polarised but what I do take issue with is the notion that pro-choice equals hypocrisy. In any case the pro-choice/pro-life debate isn’t down to the scientists but the lawmakers. I don’t think that the question of whether a zygote is alive is a matter for debate. The debate is about whether it’s human.
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Post by caskur on Mar 18, 2021 21:09:00 GMT 10
What 'leftist leaders' have incited a crowd to acts violence...? White washing Trumps social divisiveness with a look over here isn't a pathway to people being civil and nice to one another. Biden's already starting a war with Russia.
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Post by ponto on Mar 18, 2021 22:36:54 GMT 10
Pro Trump conservatives say war...when the actions of Russia and Putin needs a response of protest to Putin's war on the US, not the shadowy and simplistic approach used by Trump.
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