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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 21, 2021 8:12:00 GMT 10
"Coronavirus Death Toll 2,465,548 deaths 2,465,548 people have died so far from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of February 20, 2021, 13:02 GMT." www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/I am sure they will rest in peace knowing that they died of something only 5% true. I'm not sure those 'resting in peace ' would care what they died from. But in Canada, at least anyone dying under anomalous circumstances, is being counted as a 'Corona Death'. So I wouldn't count those numbers as accurate.
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Post by ponto on Feb 21, 2021 11:37:06 GMT 10
Occam cares not for mainstream media he prefers the media that spreads misinformation and lies.
Same as with people who distrust mainstream politics and how Trump ascended to power because he was going to drain the swamp...even the pentecostals and QAnon call him the messiah, yet Trump lies, is dishonest in business and politics, cares little for the environment, and is manipulative and bullying, sexist...what the bible would call a satanist, yet for these that mistrust government he is a god send.
The pentecostal's speak in tongues and believe in prophets and Trump is chosen by God....a cultist group with more power than is good for society.
Sporko has a preference of distorted information, anyone dying from Covid-19 is tested as positive....people dying of anomalous circumstances is rubbish and a lie, covid causes a number of illnesses from strokes from blood clotting to heart attacks, if they are tested positive for covid then they have died from covid.
If anything more people may died from covid than reported.
Sporko's objective is to spread misinformation and lies...and calls it free speech.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 21, 2021 12:35:31 GMT 10
Occam cares not for mainstream media he prefers the media that spreads misinformation and lies. Same as with people who distrust mainstream politics and how Trump ascended to power because he was going to drain the swamp...even the pentecostals and QAnon call him the messiah, yet Trump lies, is dishonest in business and politics, cares little for the environment, and is manipulative and bullying, sexist...what the bible would call a satanist, yet for these that mistrust government he is a god send. The pentecostal's speak in tongues and believe in prophets and Trump is chosen by God....a cultist group with more power than is good for society. Sporko has a preference of distorted information, anyone dying from Covid-19 is tested as positive....people dying of anomalous circumstances is rubbish and a lie, covid causes a number of illnesses from strokes from blood clotting to heart attacks, if they are tested positive for covid then they have died from covid. If anything more people may died from covid than reported. Sporko's objective is to spread misinformation and lies...and calls it free speech. Really Ponto? What else do I believe? It seems you aren't interested in what I am saying, only in what you think I am saying. Go ahead, tell me more about your caricature. And sorry, no. If someone has a pre-existing condition they could potentially die from at any moment, suggesting all to be a Covid death is a causal fallacy. Change my mind
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 21, 2021 12:57:17 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Feb 21, 2021 13:45:48 GMT 10
I repeat people who die are tested for covid....if positive then they died of covid, because you say no they died of other causes is not based on fact but your belief coz you know better than the government agencies or the government itself reporting death figures.
They are not being factual to you because it doesn't agree with your sentiments or agenda, and there has to be an agenda or why else would you state such misinformation.
While only a small group no one else here is in agreement with opinion which is based on belief....be they LW or RW.
You openly stated that you have no trust in mainstream media and from past observation it can be concluded mainstream politics as well. and as you profess to be a Christian your opinions align with the pentecostal Christians...in short your not reading like a free agent expressing a educated opinion...reads more like propaganda from far right groups.
Agitate to cause division.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 21, 2021 14:00:09 GMT 10
Herr Wirf Hirn Vom Himmel! ...Oder Stein, Hauptsache err Trifft
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Post by ponto on Feb 21, 2021 14:07:24 GMT 10
So now mainstream media is spreading misinformation...all one cans say its like a social experiment these RW bullshit artist can get away, obviously a lot.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 21, 2021 14:09:07 GMT 10
I repeat people who die are tested for covid....if positive then they died of covid. I'm not buying that, and neither should you.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 21, 2021 14:10:45 GMT 10
So now mainstream media is spreading misinformation...all one cans say its like a social experiment these RW bullshit artist can get away, obviously a lot. Yes... because that's never happened before in recent history. ...oh wait. Remember the propaganda wars of Soviet Russia? But don't worry I am sure this political situation is way different than that... Am I right, comrade?
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Post by ponto on Feb 21, 2021 14:18:32 GMT 10
If one classifies Murdoch news empire spreading propaganda as mainstream news then that's on par with the Soviets.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 21, 2021 14:20:26 GMT 10
If one classifies Murdoch news empire spreading propaganda as mainstream news then that's on par with the Soviets. Sorry, not familiar with "Murdoch news". I barely know what Qanon is, so you can stop with the mischaracterizations.
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Post by ponto on Feb 21, 2021 17:27:59 GMT 10
Its certain the conspiratorial right jumps on misinformation that appears convenient to their political narrative....scientific illiteracy.
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Post by bender on Feb 21, 2021 19:19:12 GMT 10
You've really got to admire Sporks resilience. Get's caught in a lie, no drama's, he's got twenty more lies in the bag ready to roll. Finds out that one of his "facts" is a falsehood, no problem, he just accuses everyone else of being brainwashed.
You're clearly a substandard intellect Spork, your posts prove that beyond any doubt.
Spork claims he barely knows what QANON is. That's strange considering he believes the same falsehoods they do. Just a coincidence? Well, Spork's already stated that he doesn't really believe in them......
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 22, 2021 1:12:42 GMT 10
Argumentum ad populum fallacy. Touting to be so scientific...
What more have you done other than regurgitate what had been spoon fed. So you ought to walk the talk, truth isn't necessarily found in following a herd mentality. So you ought to walk the talk! You are only echoing leftist rhetoric. To be a Christian isn't to be anti-science. In fact, most science is grounded with theistic axioms.
Have you anything more than caricatures, hyperbole, or ad hominems to substantiate your claims about me?
I have repeatedly told you that I am not a Trump supporter and yet you persist to lump me in with that group. I suppose it's because you find my opinion easier to criticize that way; but you are being intellectually dishonest everytime you do it.
You must realize that it is indeed possible to disagree with someone, without attempting mischaracterize them, or attack them on a personal level, a skill you really ought to improve on.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 22, 2021 5:16:26 GMT 10
"Coronavirus Death Toll 2,465,548 deaths 2,465,548 people have died so far from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of February 20, 2021, 13:02 GMT." www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/I am sure they will rest in peace knowing that they died of something only 5% true. As opposed to?...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 22, 2021 5:21:50 GMT 10
Bizarre how the ones choosing NOT to lock themselves in their homes and distance themselves from other human beings , would be called the 'conspiracy theorists'.
...And how we now quarantine the healthy.
And how a mother can be fined for pushing her infant on a park swing, but criminals are released because they fear infection
The world turned upside down in 2020
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Post by ponto on Feb 22, 2021 8:25:08 GMT 10
As you sink deeper into the darkness well of conspiracies when you hit the bottom of your addiction come back to the light.
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Post by bender on Feb 22, 2021 8:35:40 GMT 10
"Coronavirus Death Toll 2,465,548 deaths 2,465,548 people have died so far from the coronavirus COVID-19 outbreak as of February 20, 2021, 13:02 GMT." www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/I am sure they will rest in peace knowing that they died of something only 5% true. As opposed to?... Once again Spork just moves on to another lie without a care in the world. www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MVSpork, do you have a link to any official figures regarding deaths in the US for the abovementioned years. As much as I'd like to accept your meme as fact, experience and your history tell me that you've got form for putting up memes that are clearly false and claiming them to be true.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 22, 2021 9:23:04 GMT 10
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Post by bender on Feb 22, 2021 9:40:03 GMT 10
Spork, you've lied, or if you'd prefer you're perpetuating a lie, (which in effect is the same thing).
The fact is that US Death Rates for 2020 are not available until around the end of 2021, or early 2022.
Now you've claimed 2 different things in your last post. You've simultaneously claimed that the Death Rates you've listed as a comparison between 2019 and 2020 are fact, and also claimed that "trends" (ie forecasts) say that there will be no difference in death rates.
I really think I'm in a losing battle here trying to explain the concept of fact to you. You don't seem able to understand....
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 22, 2021 11:11:21 GMT 10
Spork, you've lied, or if you'd prefer you're perpetuating a lie, (which in effect is the same thing). The fact is that US Death Rates for 2020 are not available until around the end of 2021, or early 2022. Now you've claimed 2 different things in your last post. You've simultaneously claimed that the Death Rates you've listed as a comparison between 2019 and 2020 are fact, and also claimed that "trends" (ie forecasts) say that there will be no difference in death rates. I really think I'm in a losing battle here trying to explain the concept of fact to you. You don't seem able to understand.... ...I guess we'll take the wait and see approach, then.
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Post by bender on Feb 22, 2021 12:10:16 GMT 10
Spork, you've lied, or if you'd prefer you're perpetuating a lie, (which in effect is the same thing). The fact is that US Death Rates for 2020 are not available until around the end of 2021, or early 2022. Now you've claimed 2 different things in your last post. You've simultaneously claimed that the Death Rates you've listed as a comparison between 2019 and 2020 are fact, and also claimed that "trends" (ie forecasts) say that there will be no difference in death rates. I really think I'm in a losing battle here trying to explain the concept of fact to you. You don't seem able to understand.... ...I guess we'll take the wait and see approach, then. Well how about you wait and see what the facts are before making any more loopy claims Spork. That way you don't look like so much of a nutbag and I don't have to spend my time calling you to account for your fallacies. And if you're now prepared to "wait and see", I think it would be incumbent upon you to apologise for your comparison to Nazi's of people who disagree with your claims and further to that apologise for your claims that people who don't subscribe to your false allegations are somehow brainwashed. Personally I don't believe you have the character and intellectual honesty to do the above. Substandard intellects like yourself usually fall back into compulsive dishonesty no matter how many times their mistruths are exposed.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 22, 2021 12:35:55 GMT 10
...I guess we'll take the wait and see approach, then. Well how about you wait and see what the facts are before making any more loopy claims Spork. That way you don't look like so much of a nutbag and I don't have to spend my time calling you to account for your fallacies. And if you're now prepared to "wait and see", I think it would be incumbent upon you to apologise for your comparison to Nazi's of people who disagree with your claims and further to that apologise for your claims that people who don't subscribe to your false allegations are somehow brainwashed. Personally I don't believe you have the character and intellectual honesty to do the above. Substandard intellects like yourself usually fall back into compulsive dishonesty no matter how many times their mistruths are exposed. After all the ad hominems you just spewed I need to do nothing of the sort. You've just demonized anyone who would disagree with you. I don't believe you have the moral muster to do what you demand of others.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 22, 2021 13:10:15 GMT 10
.l And if you're now prepared to "wait and see", I think it would be incumbent upon you to apologise for your comparison to Nazi's of people who disagree with your claims and further to that apologise for your claims that people who don't subscribe to your false allegations are somehow brainwashed. More mischaracterizations. My initial claim was Germany had shunned the U.S. in its social media censorship. I don't believe I ever alluded to anyone being Nazis. And anyone who would swallow the mainstream narrative without questioning its inconsistencies (ie; Fauci's claim and subsequent retraction on March 8, The mainstream media taking comments out of context by only showing half of the footage, and social media admitting to blatant media blackouts, etc); is brainwashed, full stop.
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Post by bender on Feb 22, 2021 15:04:13 GMT 10
Well how about you wait and see what the facts are before making any more loopy claims Spork. That way you don't look like so much of a nutbag and I don't have to spend my time calling you to account for your fallacies. And if you're now prepared to "wait and see", I think it would be incumbent upon you to apologise for your comparison to Nazi's of people who disagree with your claims and further to that apologise for your claims that people who don't subscribe to your false allegations are somehow brainwashed. Personally I don't believe you have the character and intellectual honesty to do the above. Substandard intellects like yourself usually fall back into compulsive dishonesty no matter how many times their mistruths are exposed. After all the ad hominems you just spewed I need to do nothing of the sort. You've just demonized anyone who would disagree with you. I don't believe you have the moral muster to do what you demand of others. Most people grow out of "I know you are" by about the time they turn 7. What's your excuse.
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