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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 19, 2021 0:51:31 GMT 10
Chauvinistic dictatorship over women's rights to their bodies is nothing to what so ever the holocaust...trust the Neo Alt Christian fundamentalist to draw that analogy. An argument from outrage, what a typical weapon in a leftist political arsenal. Well guess what sunshine? Facts don't care if your feelings are hurt! Cry the salt into your soup with your lw tears Since when was the ability to decide who lives and who dies a fundamental of women's rights over their bodies? And when did that take precedence over the intrinsic right to life? Men don't have that assumed right, perhaps it is not I who is misogynist, but you are misandrist. ...And there is no comparison to the holocaust, abortion is much worse than that.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 19, 2021 4:18:48 GMT 10
In any case the pro-choice/pro-life debate isn’t down to the scientists but the lawmakers. ...Should it be, though? If we can't restore what was taken (life) do we have the right to say that it's free to take? The DNA is already there. It seems to be sufficient enough to convict criminals...
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Post by pim on Mar 19, 2021 6:07:21 GMT 10
And that goes to the heart of the matter doesn’t it Occam. Not invalidating your point about DNA and the scientists would probably agree with you. But look again at what you just posted:
You’re making a legal argument. Yes it’s based on the science but it’s one argued in parliaments and courts of law.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 19, 2021 7:46:39 GMT 10
And that goes to the heart of the matter doesn’t it Occam. Not invalidating your point about DNA and the scientists would probably agree with you. But look again at what you just posted: You’re making a legal argument. Yes it’s based on the science but it’s one argued in parliaments and courts of law. Then the courts should acknowledge by reasoning that the zygote is a) Alive and b) Human. If a man does something to a woman to cause an early termination of the fetus, they are convicted. But if a woman does it to herself we are asked to look the other way. The laws aren't very consistent.
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Post by bender on Mar 19, 2021 9:40:53 GMT 10
Chauvinistic dictatorship over women's rights to their bodies is nothing to what so ever the holocaust...trust the Neo Alt Christian fundamentalist to draw that analogy. An argument from outrage, what a typical weapon in a leftist political arsenal. Well guess what sunshine? Facts don't care if your feelings are hurt! Cry the salt into your soup with your lw tears Since when was the ability to decide who lives and who dies a fundamental of women's rights over their bodies? And when did that take precedence over the intrinsic right to life? Men don't have that assumed right, perhaps it is not I who is misogynist, but you are misandrist. ...And there is no comparison to the holocaust, abortion is much worse than that. You've got to hand it to Spork, in his fevered imagination any woman who decides to have an abortion is far worse on a moral scale then Hitler. There's something seriously wrong with you Spork, between your utterly ludicrous comparisons between abortion and the holocaust to your weird beliefs about COVID-19 to your childishly simplistic adoration of Tucker Carlson. Seriously wrong......
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Post by ponto on Mar 19, 2021 9:57:16 GMT 10
It is religious men that promoted the right to life while women have fought long and hard to change abortion laws because they are the ones holding the baby.
Given also sexual assault is on the increase women should have the right of choice to terminate a unwanted foetus, the chauvinistic religious right would dictate to women that they have no choice, which then returns to the days of backyard clinics where women are at a high risk of dying.
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Post by caskur on Mar 19, 2021 11:10:21 GMT 10
And that goes to the heart of the matter doesn’t it Occam. Not invalidating your point about DNA and the scientists would probably agree with you. But look again at what you just posted: You’re making a legal argument. Yes it’s based on the science but it’s one argued in parliaments and courts of law. Then the courts should acknowledge by reasoning that the zygote is a) Alive and b) Human. If a man does something to a woman to cause an early termination of the fetus, they are convicted. But if a woman does it to herself we are asked to look the other way. The laws aren't very consistent. Could you please post where a man has been convicted of harming a fetus. I know of no cases.
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Post by pim on Mar 19, 2021 11:13:25 GMT 10
Occam likes Tucker Carlson? That guy's worse than Alan Jones on steroids!
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Post by caskur on Mar 19, 2021 12:14:16 GMT 10
Are drug addicted and using women jailed for harming their fetus?
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Post by caskur on Mar 19, 2021 12:21:37 GMT 10
I'm on sites where many are right-wing certifiable nutters that want leftists dead. And they are deadset.
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Post by ponto on Mar 19, 2021 13:45:06 GMT 10
America the neo RW are a serious security threat.
Here in Australia not as much down played as just tradies online having a rant, no groups labeled terrorist group as yet....it is still Muslims and LW anarchist under security watch.
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Post by caskur on Mar 19, 2021 16:27:16 GMT 10
America the neo RW are a serious security threat. Here in Australia not as much down played as just tradies online having a rant, no groups labeled terrorist group as yet....it is still Muslims and LW anarchist under security watch. I just met one who threatened to have me killed... An expat South African... BDSM freak, lives in NSW.... they're here alright.
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Post by ponto on Mar 19, 2021 16:47:46 GMT 10
They are here....they are everywhere....US is worse.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 19, 2021 21:15:54 GMT 10
.. childishly simplistic adoration of Tucker Carlson. Seriously wrong...... I do? I wonder what other strawman arguments you can pull out of your hat. How is it acceptable to shame, blame and gaslight a person for questioning the "almighty narrative?" I love how the two of you enjoy attacking the arguer, and not the argument. That is probably so much easier for you.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 19, 2021 21:24:51 GMT 10
Are drug addicted and using women jailed for harming their fetus? Would you kill a three-year- old just because their parents were drug addicted or used? That excuse just isn't sufficient for me, sorry.
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Post by ponto on Mar 20, 2021 0:56:37 GMT 10
Would you deny women the right of choice of family planning because of your religious beliefs...yep...you sure would.
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Post by pim on Mar 20, 2021 5:50:02 GMT 10
That's a hoary old debate that was settled in Australia a generation ago. Why are we revisiting it now?
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Post by ponto on Mar 20, 2021 8:22:11 GMT 10
Because Occams fork n spoon comparison to abortion and the holocaust.
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Post by caskur on Mar 20, 2021 11:48:18 GMT 10
Are drug addicted and using women jailed for harming their fetus? Would you kill a three-year- old just because their parents were drug addicted or used? That excuse just isn't sufficient for me, sorry. Excuse for what? you are probably not reading my post the way I am meaning it... so my answer is, no, you don't kill 3 year olds when the parents are druggies... you remove the child from their clutches. However, if the druggy is pregnant they ( the authorities) won't isolate the mother from drugs by jailing her because they don't consider the baby is a human yet, to be protected. I know I'm using the wrong terminology but I am sure you get my meaning by now.
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Post by bender on Mar 20, 2021 19:13:12 GMT 10
.. childishly simplistic adoration of Tucker Carlson. Seriously wrong...... I do? I wonder what other strawman arguments you can pull out of your hat. How is it acceptable to shame, blame and gaslight a person for questioning the "almighty narrative?" I love how the two of you enjoy attacking the arguer, and not the argument. That is probably so much easier for you. What I see in your posts Spork is what most other people see. A churlish immature person who feels free to insult others who then goes to water when someone says something they perceive to be unkind to them. Look at the signature line you put in your posts, suggesting that other people should just get over it. Yet you seem strangely unable to follow your own advice....
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 24, 2021 22:47:50 GMT 10
Would you deny women the right of choice of family planning because of your religious beliefs...yep...you sure would. Who would suggest that the right to life or death was a matter of the mother's choice? Who deofied women?If it's a religious debate to suggest babies shouldn't be slaughtered, then I am proudly religious! Under that criteria, most of us ought to be.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 24, 2021 22:49:57 GMT 10
Because Occams fork n spoon comparison to abortion and the holocaust. Sporks exist.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 24, 2021 22:56:19 GMT 10
However, if the druggy is pregnant they ( the authorities) won't isolate the mother from drugs by jailing her because they don't consider the baby is a human yet, to be protected. I get what you are saying Caskur, but I still don't see that as sound reasoning. In the past people have justified murder by perceiving their victims as 'less than human.' Playing with terminology doesn't change the reality however: On a genetic level, they are inarguably human.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 24, 2021 22:58:37 GMT 10
I do? I wonder what other strawman arguments you can pull out of your hat. How is it acceptable to shame, blame and gaslight a person for questioning the "almighty narrative?" I love how the two of you enjoy attacking the arguer, and not the argument. That is probably so much easier for you. What I see in your posts Spork is what most other people see. A churlish immature person who feels free to insult others who then goes to water when someone says something they perceive to be unkind to them. Look at the signature line you put in your posts, suggesting that other people should just get over it. Yet you seem strangely unable to follow your own advice.... The way I see it, most of the insults thus far has been hurled from your side. You have an amazing ability to project your own flaws upon others.
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Post by ponto on Mar 25, 2021 1:59:38 GMT 10
Under your religious beliefs you would impose women have no rights to an abortion terminating a unwanted preganacy before the feotus gains consciousness...denying their choice....reiterate very chauvinistic.
In Latin America woman are jailed for a miscarriage....something religious men decreed on women.
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