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Post by pim on Jul 27, 2019 0:45:23 GMT 10
Pathetic boring repetitive hackneyed weasel words. Can we ever expect anything else from this bloke?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 10:00:16 GMT 10
The Labor are just as bad nah nah de nah is a typical conservative voter stance...The LNP ran an effective anti climate change campaign against Labor...including funding denialist propaganda...including 'Ditch the Witch' campaign and so on...just be cause it was effective campaign doesn't make it right, it has been LNP (conservatives globally)campaigning that has lead to the dire situation the planet is in now....heading towards deepening calamity...and with that the lack of climate action the buck stops with the LNP as they argued strongly against a emissions trading scheme.
Your like the NP MP I was watching on the ABC news this morn....arguing there was abundance of water in the rivers and too much was going into environmental flows....delusional.
The young will be taking to the streets in more protest....the government will increase security laws and build more prisons.
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Post by pim on Jul 27, 2019 10:42:10 GMT 10
Meanwhile, is ScoMo becoming a lame duck PM? Opposition ignore PM, focus on TaylorPaul Bongiorno www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2019/07/27/opposition-ignore-pm-focus-taylor/15641496008503Scott Morrison, who famously shrank the Liberal Party to near-invisibility to win the May election, was this week confronted by his party’s reappearance, and he doesn’t much like it. In just the second government party room meeting since polling day, Morrison read the riot act to backbenchers for unhelpfully freelancing in the media. In parliament, he sat frustrated as Labor mostly ignored him in question time. On Tuesday, every question from the opposition went to the minister for energy and emissions reduction, Angus Taylor. When Labor’s Justine Elliot asked Taylor if he would rule out a nuclear power plant being built in her seat – encompassing Tweed Heads and the neighbouring Gold Coast – Morrison appeared agitated. He swung around to Taylor as he approached the despatch box and mouthed “rule it out”. But Taylor, who has been accused of being a climate change sceptic, and was somewhat cynically appointed by Morrison to this uber-sensitive portfolio, missed the cue. Instead, Taylor wore his druthers on his sleeve. He said the government’s priority was keeping the lights on while bringing energy prices down. “We will focus on outcomes, not the fuel source.” He said there were no plans to change the moratorium on nuclear power generation but then went on to declare “we always approach these things with an open mind”. The Labor benches cheered. Across the chamber, one MP yelled: “Great work, Angus. Well done!” The singling out of Taylor paid early dividends for a change in tactics that Anthony Albanese flagged to his dispirited troops at Labor’s caucus meeting on Tuesday morning. He told them Morrison was a “negative, nasty pollie. All about tactics”. He said to counter Morrison, Labor needed to keep its questions tight and targeted, relying on the element of surprise. Government ministers, particularly the more controversial or poorer performers, need to be exposed. A key Labor strategist says the opposition also intends to ignore the one-man band leader as much as possible. “We’ll treat Morrison as if he is just another minister,” he says. In Taylor, they have more than enough to target. After trying to avoid admitting that emissions have in fact risen in every year of the Coalition government – especially after the repeal of the carbon price – he still couldn’t quite admit the truth of the situation. The closest he got was that “from year to year and quarter to quarter, emissions go up and down”. Again, it was almost certainly not the answer Morrison would have preferred, nor the one scribbled on notes he had passed to the sweating minister during his hour-long grilling. Labor is also pursuing Taylor’s alleged conflict of interest over the poisoning of about 30 hectares of protected grasslands on a Monaro property owned by a company named Jam Land. As Guardian Australia reported in June, the minister himself holds an interest in the firm via his family investment company, Gufee. After lobbying by Taylor in 2017, the office of then environment minister Josh Frydenberg canvassed whether protections for the grasslands could be weakened and if any change had to be published. On the face of it, Taylor may have misled parliament by saying he had “no association” and had remained at “arm’s length at all times from the company Jam Land”. Taylor says he has always declared his interest in Jam Land and denies he lobbied for a change in compliance for the company. MORRISON TOLD HIS MPS “GOVERNMENT IS NOT A BLANK CHEQUE” AND THAT THEY DISRESPECT THEIR COLLEAGUES BY PURSUING THEIR OWN POLICY AGENDAS. BY THAT HE OBVIOUSLY MEANT THEY DISRESPECTED HIM. Morrison was certainly miffed at being ignored. As he closed down question time with the usual formula, he added, “I would invite the opposition to perhaps ask me a question tomorrow. They didn’t do that today.” But if he was dark with his political opponents, he was even more disconcerted by his own Liberal and Nationals MPs taking the agenda out of his hands. Morrison’s problem, of course, is that he has a majority of just two. This empowers and emboldens backbenchers, who can quickly threaten to plunge the government into minority if they don’t like what the prime minister is delivering, or failing to deliver. The risk for Morrison is they can empower themselves even more by becoming a crucial number on the crossbench. The push for nuclear power has considerable backbench support. Even Morrison was predisposed, before political expediency saw him back away in the run-up to the election. But another issue – the push to increase the Newstart unemployment benefit – is building a head of steam. It was raised in the government party room and one of its highest-profile advocates is former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce. Meeting these calls could derail the government’s ambitions to deliver a budget surplus, not only for this year but for the next three as well. Just how anxious Morrison is about all this was revealed in a report by The Age. Immediately before the election, the government ordered a bipartisan parliamentary committee to remove its call for an increase to the Newstart allowance. The inquiry was into the causes of long-term welfare dependency. Then social services minister Paul Fletcher ordered the committee chair, Liberal Russell Broadbent, to remove the specific Newstart recommendation. The committee reluctantly complied. Labor was merely calling for a review into the unemployment payment at the election. It has now hardened its position on a review to establish how big an increase is needed. Whatever the increase, it will not come cheaply. Deloitte Access Economics priced a $75 a week boost at close to $3 billion a year. But it will be a sad commentary on our national politics if it’s reckoned the poorest and most vulnerable in our society should be sacrificed on the altar of dubious fiscal rectitude. And apart from lifting 722,000 out of a meagre subsistence, economists such as Chris Richardson and the Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe point out there is a real economic benefit from a boost to spending power. A fed-up prime minister scolded his MPs for taking their concerns outside the government’s internal forums. He told them “government is not a blank cheque” and that they disrespect their colleagues by pursuing their own policy agendas. By that he obviously meant they disrespected him. Morrison told the joint party room meeting they needed to be “mindful of what we took to the election and what we didn’t take to the election”. The group carpeting had little effect. Within a couple of hours, Barnaby Joyce gave Network Ten an interview again spelling out why Newstart should be raised. Outspoken conservative Craig Kelly told The New Daily he wanted the family home to be included in the pension asset test, if the pensioner in question had accessed their super to purchase the home. Kelly is also among a group of government backbenchers calling for a freeze to the 9.5 per cent superannuation guarantee. He says he doesn’t believe voters would regard it as a broken promise if Morrison delayed the transition to 12 per cent super. As with Malcolm Turnbull before him, Morrison may come to regret intervening to save Kelly’s preselection as a Liberal candidate. Earlier, in parliament, Morrison ruled out extending the freeze to the super guarantee. In the senate, Finance Minister Mathias Cormann gave a terse “yes” to guarantee the higher employer contribution. But Labor is not convinced. Shadow treasurer Jim Chalmers says Kelly and the backbench Liberals are giving a clue to what the treasurer’s retirement incomes review is really all about. He claims it is “more cuts to super and more cuts to the pension”. There are two retirement incomes that the government definitely doesn’t want to talk about. And those come from the after-politics jobs that Julie Bishop and Christopher Pyne have lined up for themselves. The former defence minister is now working in defence consultancy for consulting giant EY, while former foreign minister Bishop has taken a position with Palladium, a company that has won multimillion-dollar contracts to run Australian aid projects. The prime minister tabled a report from the secretary of his department, Martin Parkinson, that found the two recently retired ministers were not in breach of the ministerial code. The code bans ministers from taking jobs for 18 months after leaving office in areas where they had direct dealings in their portfolio. The non-government parties in the senate were unimpressed with Parkinson’s findings and they have set up their own inquiry. Also perturbed was one of the government’s newbie members – the recently elected Queensland Liberal senator Gerard Rennick. He made the prime minister’s mood even darker when he told the party room that anyone who is friends with Christopher Pyne and Julie Bishop needs to tell them to stop taking jobs that are impossible to defend. Both Pyne and Bishop were on the old parliamentary super scheme; their pensions would be in the vicinity of $200,000 a year. Russell Broadbent accepts neither has breached the guidelines but, as he told ABC TV, he is concerned about the perception voters might get that all politicians are in it to “gain financial advantage”. Morrison began the week by asking Labor, “Whose side are you on?” It’s a question he could just as well have posed to his Coalition colleagues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 14:48:47 GMT 10
Addressing a franking credit imbalance is not going after your investment "income"...nor does it effect re-arranging your income stream....greed got the better of you....and when the young are protesting in the streets at the growing inequality between the older generation and younger....consider your self partly to blame.
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Post by pim on Jul 27, 2019 20:12:39 GMT 10
Addressing a franking credit imbalance is not going after your investment "income"...nor does it effect re-arranging your income stream....greed got the better of you....and when the young are protesting in the streets at the growing inequality between the older generation and younger....consider your self partly to blame. I think it may well come to that. As government becomes less and less accountable through the progressive criminalisation of investigative journalism, the growing acceptance that citizenship is at the whim of a government minister and that habeas corpus is an optional extra rather than an ancient fundamental right, and as the dividing lines between the different arms of government become blurred to the point that the legislature and the judiciary become rubber stamps for an all-powerful executive, opposition politics will move out of the realm of parliament and into the streets. But Mr Franking Credits is fine with that. His franking credits are safe and that's all that matters, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 23:07:02 GMT 10
Complacency in the young now will surely turn to outrage when they are continuously disadvantaged with low wages while CEO's salaries rise even with failing companies....hasn't it always been so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 4:49:39 GMT 10
Gotta pay for them franking credits somehow....easy just slug the poor.
March Australia July 26 at 11:05 AM ·
Samantha Maiden: ' Scott Morrison has confirmed a review of retirement incomes policy will be free to investigate radical options to axe super for low-income workers or make it voluntary, but pledged his government’s policy has not changed.
The Prime Minister again urged Liberal MPs who have called for an overhaul of superannuation laws to work within the party’s processes and toe the line publicly.
His remarks follow NSW MP Craig Kelly sparking debate on including the family home in the pensions asset test and Senator Andrew Bragg using his maiden speech to call for super to be voluntary for people earning under $50,000.
Asked whether Senator Bragg’s idea of making super voluntary will be considered, Mr Morrison said he did not want to limit the inquiry.
“That is a recommendation that has been put to us. We conduct that review, it’s one will be actioning and are not going to limit it. But the Government’s policy, let me be very clear, is what is set out in what the law of this country is and our policy hasn’t changed.
“Reviews look at all sorts of things, but they are reports of reviews, not of the government. And the government responds as appropriate, but I can only refer you again to what the Treasurer said yesterday about our plans, and what the Finance Minister has said about our plans, and indeed what I said about our plans on this topic.
“I was asked about this in the lead-up to the last election. And my answer to that was very clear; and I will keep the commitments that I made to the Australian people, not just on that matter but on all matters.”
Meanwhile, Liberal MP Craig Kelly has resurfaced on ABC television backing calls for super to be optional for people earning under $50,000.
“The question that Senator Bragg was putting forward was that someone who is earning under $50,000, is that person better off having that money taken off them and put in a super account, or would they be better off having that as an increase in salary?
“And I think that is a reasonable debate to be having and certainly all ideas in the space have to be welcomed.” .Labor frontbencher Jim Chalmers said it was laughable the Liberals were claiming to care about wage stagnation.
“They’re trying to rob 13 million Australian workers of the superannuation increases that they need and deserve and were promised and have seen legislated,” he said.
“We defend superannuation partly because we’ve created it – we are proud of it – but mostly because superannuation is delivering a more dignified and decent retirement for Australian workers than would be the case otherwise.
“At the same time, it’s amassed this $2.8 trillion pool of savings that allows our nation to invest in its own future. Superannuation has been a massive success for this country and we shouldn’t run it down. It is the envy of the world. Other nations come here to observe our superannuation system and to try to replicate it.”
The Prime Minister also used Thursday’s media conference to confirm two major public service appointments.
Philip Gaetjens, a former chief of staff to Mr Morrison and former treasurer Peter Costello will be the next Secretary of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. He takes over from Dr Martin Parkinson, who was appointed by Malcolm Turnbull and is departing two years before his contract is up.
Dr Steven Kennedy will become the next Secretary of Treasury.'
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March Australia Yesterday at 4:34 PM ·Paul Karp: ' Josh Frydenberg’s eligibility to sit in parliament has been challenged in the court of disputed returns by a constituent who says he feels “betrayed” by the Liberal party’s inaction on climate change. Michael Staindl, a resident of Kooyong, filed a petition on Wednesday alleging the treasurer and deputy Liberal leader is disqualified by section 44(1) of the constitution because he is a citizen of Hungary, which Frydenberg denies. The allegation on the final day for petitions to be filed against the 2019 election results came on top of two challenges against Liberal MP Gladys Liu in Chisholm and Frydenberg over Chinese language signs that told voters “the correct voting method” was to put a “1” next to the Liberal candidate. Those challenges were brought by Naomi Hall and independent candidate for Kooyong, Oliver Yates. The petitions – seen by Guardian Australia – are the first eligibility challenges of the new parliament, after the 45th parliament was rocked by 14 MPs or senators resigning or being ruled ineligible due to dual citizenship. If successful they could trigger byelections in Kooyong, won by Frydenberg with 55.7% of the two-party preferred vote, and Chisholm, won by Liu with 50.57%. Frydenberg’s mother was born in Hungary in 1943, and he has declared she held Hungarian citizenship from 1943 to 1948, but Frydenberg has denied that he holds citizenship by descent, citing legal advice from Hungarian citizenship law experts, which he has not released. Staindl told Guardian Australia he had “known Josh for many years” and decided to bring the challenge because “I’ve been trying to get action on climate change and he makes you feel well heard but I think he’s consistently betrayed me, the electorate and the country on climate change”. “In the last parliament he gave assurances [of action on the issue] that weren’t convincing to me at all,” he said. “And as our legislator, I think he owes us better integrity than that. [Frydenberg] should show us he’s entitled to sit.” Staindl is an IT professional who has volunteered for Melbourne-based environmental group Lighter Footprints. Frydenberg has previously rejected the claim of dual citizenship, arguing “it is absurd to think that I could involuntarily acquire citizenship of a foreign country from a stateless mother and grandparents – it invokes the North Korean example of conferring citizenship on someone against their will”. Frydenberg has cited immigration entry documents from 1950 that describe his mother as stateless and has argued that his mother is not a Hungarian citizen and that he cannot be by descent. But Staindl’s petition claims Frydenberg’s mother “arrived in Australia in 1950 in possession of a valid passport, inferred to be a valid Hungarian passport”. It claimed Frydenberg’s mother “continued to be a citizen of Hungary after 1948”, making him a citizen by descent. The challenges by Hall and Yates argue the Chinese-language signs were “likely to mislead or deceive an elector in relation to the casting of a vote” in breach of the Commonwealth Electoral Act. Hall’s petition notes that more than 20% of voters in Chisholm speak Mandarin or Cantonese at home and are likely to be able to read Chinese; in Kooyong the figure is about 12%. The case argues that as a consequence of the signs some voters were likely to have voted 1 for Liu “notwithstanding that such was not the vote that they otherwise intended to cast”. “Had it been the elector’s intention to direct his or her first preference to a candidate other than Liu, that intention was not realised,” the petition said. On election day Liu defended the signs, telling Sky News they were “good signs” authorised by the party. The acting state Liberal director, Simon Frost, has told Guardian Australia the signs were “properly authorised as required by the Commonwealth Electoral Act”. The Australian Electoral Commission inspected the signs on election day and concluded they were authorised. It concluded they were not misleading or deceptive, relying on a high court precedent that the prohibition is limited to the process of filling in a ballot paper, not influencing how voters formed their decision. Earlier in July, Victorian lawyer Trevor Poulton – who has written a novel called The Holocaust Denier but says he is not antisemitic – said he was considering a challenge against Frydenberg on the basis of alleged dual citizenship. On 18 July, the prime minister, Scott Morrison, was asked about that putative challenge and accused Poulton of seeking to advance an antisemitic agenda “by pretending to have some sort of constitutional purity on Josh Frydenberg”. At that time Frydenberg said the citizenship issues “were dealt with comprehensively through the last parliament, and the Coalition is confident that none of its members or senators have issues in that regard”. “No one should deny what was an appalling and tragic event in world history,” he said. Staindl said he noted “with great alarm and grief that whenever this issue is raised [Frydenberg] raised the Holocaust denier cannons and fires in every direction”. “This has nothing to do with denial of the Holocaust, it is simply a matter of whether he is an Australian citizen only.” Staindl said if Frydenberg shows evidence he is not Hungarian he could drop the case, “otherwise, yes, I’ll see it through”. ' Courtesy 'The NLP has got to go'
Produce the documents ....!!
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Post by pim on Aug 2, 2019 7:46:54 GMT 10
Shades of Trump and so-called birtherism. Personally I would not go there. As a Liberal Treasurer with a well- documented record over a number of portfolios in Coalition governments there's no lack of stuff to mount a powerful critique of Josh Frydenberg on. Go on the man's record, but as for his family history as WW2 Hungarian Jewish Holocaust survivors ...
DO NOT GO THERE!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 9:08:46 GMT 10
The point being made is over the lack of promised climate change action by the coalition....which is fair summation by Michael Staindl....."Staindl’s petition claims Frydenberg’s mother “arrived in Australia in 1950 in possession of a valid passport, inferred to be a valid Hungarian passport”.
It claimed Frydenberg’s mother “continued to be a citizen of Hungary after 1948”, making him a citizen by descent.
If that's the case shouldn't Frybdenberg produce the documents..??..which he claims he has but no one has seen them...he just states 'holocaust denial' when approached deflecting from following the rules of parliament...other people had to resign and re-contest..including Jacki Lambie who has Aboriginal heritage.
So we don't go there...??...coz he is Jewish..??..even though it's something he can fix as others has done.
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Post by pim on Aug 2, 2019 12:45:06 GMT 10
The genie has been let out of the bottle in the Frydenberg case - stupidly and counter-productively in my view because no good will come of it. It was wrong and destructive of Turmp to pursue Obama over the"birther" bullshit and it's just as wrong in this case. As for Frydenberg himself, my understanding is that in relation to his Holocaust survivor family history Frydenberg has maintained a dignified silence and good for him. It's others who are doing the running. I'm not getting into a fruitless "show the documents" argument with you Ponto. Let a court decide - if indeed it should come to that. Holocaust survivors in the immediate post WW2 period came here as stateless persons. Therefore no passport. Which Hungarian "government" back then would have issued her with a passport? The communist one? Sure, right! I can't "prove" anything in this case and neither can you. Good luck retrieving original documents from the late 1940's! Whatever travel document Mrs Frydenberg (mother) had back then, if indeed she had any, she was a refugee and a "displaced person" to use the terminology of the day, would have been surrendered to the Australian authorities when she gained Australian citizenship which is what happened in the case of my parents in 1956. "Produce the documents!"? Only a blinkered Anglo can be so ignorant and facile. Shades of Trump!
As for Mr Franking Credits equally facile and lazy post about how "silly" it all is, if you want this sorted - and remember the blackfellas come next in the referendum queue so all your "change section 44" grandstanding will have to wait its turn because where constitutional referendums are concerned it's way beyond time that the blackfellas had their turn - then you're going to have to change the way you vote. Lift your bean counter's gaze from its fixation on your franking credits and look at the bigger picture. If you really seriously want fundamental change (and changing the Constitution is a lot more than "tweaking") then you're going to have to reconsider your vote for a government that spends 3 years waging culture wars followed by a 5 week election season marked by the mother of all economic scare campaigns.
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Post by pim on Aug 2, 2019 12:54:33 GMT 10
<sigh> Isn't this guy a waste of time and space! Ponto feel free to do a workaround. I won't be able to post again until this evening. I've just finished lunch in Merriwa and it's back on the Golden Hwy to Dubbo. That's stage 1 on my trip back to Adelaide.
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Post by pim on Aug 2, 2019 13:04:37 GMT 10
Have a nice afternoon counting your franking credits. They seem to be the most important thing in your life. Gotta go now. Toodles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 14:07:37 GMT 10
Its a question of legalities that interest meself like.....if Frydenberg's mum came in on a valid visa 1950....and laws pertaining to now not after the war.
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Post by pim on Aug 2, 2019 17:20:07 GMT 10
I can’t answer with authority on the validity or otherwise of Ms F’s documentation when she entered Australia. Incidentally she’s either the “dowager” Ms F or the “late” Ms F - I know not either way and I’m sure she was/is a worthy and distinguished lady. One thing is for absolutely certain: I’m NOT going to default to the xenophobic and racist instant conclusion that a Holocaust survivor attempted to defraud and deceive the then Australian immigration authorities after originating from Eastern Europe in 1950 when people like her routinely arrived here stateless firstly because the Fascist regimes of Europe (and WW2 Hungary was a fascist ally of Nazi Germany, not an occupied enemy of Nazi Germany) stripped their Jewish citizens of their citizenship before carting them off to the death camps and secondly any non-German victim of Nazi crimes against humanity, be they Jewish survivors of the death camps or slave labourers rounded up from the occupied countries and forced to work under horrific conditions for Krups or Siemens or other German outfit in Germany, and whose home countries were in the Soviet zone, still found themselves stateless after the war because of Stalinist paranoia about the “West” and were barred from returning. Or were shot if they did. So they lived in what was called back then “displaced persons camps” in West Germany. It was expected by the then fledgling UN that New World countries like Australia, Canada and NZ as well as the US would take these people in. And they did. The contrast between then and now as regards settlement of refugees is shameful. We took in people like Ms F even if they had no papers (and please explain how a Jewish survivor of the Holocaust would have “papers”. Did they take them to the concentration camps and did the Nazi guards thoughtfully and helpfully file them away for safekeeping?), gave them a country they could call home and after 5 years residency offered them Australian Citizenship. That was overwhelmingly the pattern with those people. I am going to give Ms F the benefit of the doubt because the historical record in respect of people like Ms F overwhelmingly shows that they arrived here stateless. If someone wants to pull a Trump “birther” stunt and introduce doubt where hitherto there has been clarity of the crystalline variety regarding people like Ms F then I’m afraid they’re going to have to do a helluva lot better than that.
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Post by pim on Aug 2, 2019 17:20:35 GMT 10
BTW greetings from Dubbo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 23:11:35 GMT 10
Despite Pim's hooplah no one ..(well some)...doubts the horrors of Nazi Germany ..which he is focused on .....which isn't the point.... Jackie Lambie had to prove her citizenship and she is part abbo......why should not Friedhisberg for eligibility parliament prove his..??..like everyone else...this is the point.
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2019 1:05:20 GMT 10
Ponto I wish we weren’t having this conversation. It’s unseemly. I hate that someone like Josh Frydenberg is being placed in a similar position to Obama in the “birther” issue. It sucks the oxygen out of a more productive critique of Josh Frydenberg over his promised budget surplus that in all likelihood will not eventuate given that it was the “surplus” that they expected to bequeath to an incoming Shorten Labor government as a booby trap so that when it failed to happen they would have their Opposition attack lines ready to go. Except that now that they’re unexpectedly back in government it falls to Josh Frydenberg to turn this sow’s ear of a budget into a silk purse. Instead what we have now is a stupid and crass “birther” stunt being pulled in an attempt to get at Josh Frydenberg which will fail if it gets to court and will still fail even if it doesn’t make it to court because it will blow up in the face of whoever is pulling this “birther” stunt.
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2019 1:42:20 GMT 10
Ponto you want a superior and genuine critique of Josh Frydenberg instead of this phony and counterproductive “birther” bullshit? Try this from Andrew Leigh. Far from being “hoopla” this is the real deal. The “hoopla” is the phony “birther” bullshit.
This is what the phony “birther” distraction threatens to suck the oxygen out of. I can’t believe, Ponto, that you’d want that.
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2019 1:46:18 GMT 10
And now I’d better get some sleep in this Dubbo motel room. I have to drive to Hay tomorrow. Zzzzzzzzzz
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 8:33:20 GMT 10
Look ere...other than bringing the story here to have a squizzy at, it's not me raising the issue of whether Friedenberg's mum had or had not a passport on arrival to Aussieland and taking it to the high court under sect 44 .....its a Micheal Staindl accusation.
And apparently his mum Erika Strausz did arrive with a passport...although at 7 years old a child is not going to be too clear on the subject or tbe time frame with obtaining Aussie citizenship, none the less if a passport was held following on in turn that could make Frydenberg's Kooyong seat available to contest as with Liberal LIU's seat of Chislom for dodgy advertising....so get orf the high horse's of don't go there its liking to Trumpo birthism hooplah....its about 2 Liberal seats that could fall.
Crikey some people get so blinded with hollering antisemitism or Islamophobia they fail to see the importance of the news stories...Frydenberg and Liu seats of Kooyong and Chislom could be lost...and what then of the Morrison gooberment.
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2019 8:58:31 GMT 10
I arrived in Australia two weeks shy of my 4th birthday. I guess I had a passport back then too. I do have a print of the passport photo amongst my memorabilia. My daughters think it's pretty cute to see a pic of Dad as a 3 year old. I was probably included in my Mum's passport rather than having a passport of my own. Put me in Frydenberg's shoes. Good luck "producing the documents" as the "birther" stunt puller demands in the Frydenberg case. Look mate, this is a stunt and a waste of time. We're stuck with Section 44 until the backlog of more important constitutional questions is resolved - especially the issues relating to racist clauses in the Australian Constitution. So in the meantime we do a workaround. The only reason all those MPs tripped over Section 44 in the 45th parliament was because of the way John Howard had stacked the High Court with "black letter" judges which ended up biting everyone on the bum - not only the Coalition MPs (and I loved that Barnaby was caught up in it. Barnaby! And the petulant way he responded was pure 100% unvarnished populist Barnaby bullshit) but especially the Coalition. That was then. The Frydenberg case was brought up back then and everyone with half a brain took one look at it and wouldn't touch it. What's changed? I'll tell you what's changed, people do their due diligence. I hope this doesn't go to court and if it does then I trust the court will chuck it out with heavy costs awarded against the litigant. As I said, this is a stunt and a waste of time especially given that Josh Frydenberg as Treasurer presides over an Australian economy described in the Crikey article. There's no shortage of "stuff" to hang Frydenberg on given the state of the economy as well as his record as a Minister in a succession of Coalition governments without resorting to stupid counterproductive "birther" stunts. And speaking of wasting time I'd better get on the road to Hay. I've got a 550 km drive to do. Toodles!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 10:50:49 GMT 10
Only a conservative fuckwit would think the economy is in great shape and the LNP masters of the economy, they are indeed criminal environmental vandals and active climate change deniers.
"Staindl said he noted “with great alarm and grief that whenever this issue is raised [Frydenberg] raised the Holocaust denier cannons and fires in every direction”.
“This has nothing to do with denial of the Holocaust, it is simply a matter of whether he is an Australian citizen only.”
Staindl said if Frydenberg shows evidence he is not Hungarian he could drop the case, “otherwise, yes, I’ll see it through”."....Staindl claims he has the documents to show Frydenberg's Mum was a Hungarian citizen which then places Frydenberg a dual citizen by descent...as with all the all others caught out by sect 44....Frydenberg has denied that he holds citizenship by descent, citing legal advice from Hungarian citizenship law experts, which he has not released....and there lies the problem Frydenberg has not released the documents to disprove he is not dual citizen....perhaps morally right what your arguing is that Frydenberg should get special treatment under sect 44 because of the holocaust....then the law is the law albeit an ass.
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2019 13:08:15 GMT 10
Stopping in West Wyalong for lunch and then it's the Mid-Western hwy (not really a highway like the Newell that I've been driving on since Dubbo. The Mid-Western is a B road) for a cuppla hundred km to Hay. What strikes you about the Mid-Western hwy is the massive irrigation infrastructure that they're putting in for the cotton growers. They suck that water out of a very stressed Murrumbidgee. Heartbreaking to see. All on the watch of the government that thinks that Trickles' franking credits are more important than the health of our inland waterways. The government that Josh Frydenberg is a Treasurer of. Go for the jugular on that one. Forget the counterproductive "birther" stunt which is just a populist waste of time and straight out of the Trump playbook.
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Post by KTJ on Aug 3, 2019 14:13:07 GMT 10
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