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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 2, 2013 20:12:01 GMT 10
But some idiots on here fall for them hook line & sinker. Attachments:
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 2, 2013 20:12:29 GMT 10
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Post by garfield on Mar 2, 2013 20:31:06 GMT 10
LOL ... Fartis with the 30% that want to reinstate gillard at the next election and ramp up the bogus asylum seeker / centrelink retirement for third world bludgers to 100 000 a year, who would have thunk it ;D All he has to do is get Western Sydneys mortgage belt to get on board with the idea of sitting in traffic for two hours a day and working forty hours a week to provide for the boat peoples retirement fund and all will be good ... good luck with that ;D
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Post by caskur on Mar 2, 2013 20:47:25 GMT 10
meme centre? it must true then.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 2, 2013 20:52:42 GMT 10
LOL ... Fartis with the 30% that want to reinstate gillard at the next election and ramp up the bogus asylum seeker / centrelink retirement for third world bludgers to 100 000 a year, who would have thunk it ;D All he has to do is get Western Sydneys mortgage belt to get on board with the idea of sitting in traffic for two hours a day and working forty hours a week to provide for the boat peoples retirement fund and all will be good ... good luck with that ;D An Abbot believer aka Moron.
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Post by garfield on Mar 2, 2013 21:06:59 GMT 10
Now the trouble here is you can't defend your position so out of frustration you label your opponent a moron, typical lefty MO, a lefties argument can only be won by silencing the argument, not winning it, communism being the greatest example of that.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 2, 2013 23:07:37 GMT 10
But you are a moron. ;D Labor are down to the die hard spastics that would vote labor no matter what. And a hypocrite. Paranoid f***ing idiot ;D If Earl was in prison he would never escape but only cos he'd miss out on his daily arse raping ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 6:06:04 GMT 10
Abbott and his follower's are beating the drum on asylum seekers as a distraction to the real issues of what conservative policies mean for Australians, such as the privatisation of services, including energy, health and education.....goodbye Australia and hello mini gun happy USA.
The best of it and the worst of it as the gap between the rich and the poor widens to mean just more privatised prisons, given the US has the highest incarceration rates in the world.
And laughing boy Garfield is cheering them on....pea brains like him should seek asylum in the US.
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Post by garfield on Mar 3, 2013 6:23:33 GMT 10
The US has the highest incarceration rates in the world because they actually punish criminals there, here in Oz leftoids like you prefer them out on the street robbing old ladies and stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 6:28:07 GMT 10
Bring back hangin' as well Garfie....and the right to bear arms to shoot the poor begging in the streets because they have the potential to be crims....yeah right..all they way with the USA.
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Post by fat on Mar 3, 2013 6:37:05 GMT 10
The 'real' issues to a politician are whatever catches votes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 6:40:33 GMT 10
Like persecuting asylum seekers is a vote winner.....what a low wit society Australia is becoming ....led and created by politicians.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 3, 2013 6:49:21 GMT 10
Exactly, spinner.
That lowest common denominator appeals to fluffy and his ilk.
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Post by garfield on Mar 3, 2013 7:05:09 GMT 10
Most people don't like being taken for a ride by shonky asylum seekers and this is reflected in the polls, lefties love being taken for a ride though and that is why they will be voting for gillard and a never ending stream of centrelink addicted boat scammers.
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Post by geopol on Mar 3, 2013 7:12:50 GMT 10
But they love to be taken or a ride by Liberals who have only their own lust for power to satisy and what feeds that lust better than almost anything apart from handouts to the vocal and greedy, but demonisiing selected groups of people, preferably those who have few resources to fight back
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 10:57:09 GMT 10
As for that "little" red line ... let's hope that it doesn't expand! That little red line is enough to bankrupt us. And that's even before the illegals make it out into the community on their disability pensions for life!!
Now the red section represents legal migration. You know the kind, the ones who come here to work. They're actually going to contribute to the economy, pay taxes and pay their own way. No wonder the left hates them.
So if we have to have this "big" Australia, let's make sure it's full of taxpaying migrants in the red section, not muslim Centrelink bludgers and crims.
Immigration and Citizenship Budget 2012 - 2013 Offshore estimated expenses:
Offshore Asylum Seeker Management $689,018,000
Offshore Asylum Seeker Management - Service Delivery $308,202,000
Offshore Asylum Seeker Management - Policy Advice and Program Design $6,022,000
Refugee Status Determinations for Offshore Entry Persons $13,617,000
Refugee Status Determinations for Offshore Entry Persons - Service Delivery $27,308,000
Total
$1,044,167,000**
As of February 2013, the Dept of Immigration has revised this year's asylum budget from $1.1 billion to $2.2 billion!! OMG
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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2013 10:59:15 GMT 10
I have no problem with immigration, as long as it is from compatible cultures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 11:22:48 GMT 10
He's not necessarily going to turn back the boats. Maybe some if possible. What he is not going to do is reward these people. They will not get refugee status unless they have the proper ID such as passports. They will not be given benefit of the doubt after they destroy those passports. They will only get TPVs ... after all lots of other migrants only get temporary residence when they first come here. They will not get welfare housing and the most important thing of all ... they will not be able to sponsor planeloads of wretched bludging rellies back home wherever straight onto our welfare system.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 11:50:56 GMT 10
With their thousand and one rellies already here.
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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2013 12:08:51 GMT 10
They will have to work, they wont get Centrelink... that is until Labor gets back in and grants them citizenship!
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Post by caskur on Mar 3, 2013 12:09:40 GMT 10
So? The spouse rebate was abolished by the labor government. And they also slapped a higher percentage on the medicare to cover Queenslands floods... 'basically FORCING people to pay for a Queensland who doesn't have insurance.
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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2013 12:12:30 GMT 10
TPVs did not restrict refugees from working, in fact it encouraged it by denying them the right to social security. Labor on the other hand has a program which denies them the right to work, meaning they're 100% reliant on social services.
Which approach is better?
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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2013 12:14:44 GMT 10
LOL, you cannot bring yourself to say the obvious, that being TPVs are better.
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Post by caskur on Mar 3, 2013 12:24:26 GMT 10
TPVs did not restrict refugees from working, in fact it encouraged it by denying them the right to social security. Labor on the other hand has a program which denies them the right to work, meaning they're 100% reliant on social services. Which approach is better? They should weave baskets in detention and sell them to their apologists so they can pay their way in detention and if you think I am making a joke... I'm not. They should work... period!
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Post by pim on Mar 3, 2013 13:13:14 GMT 10
Abbott and his follower's are beating the drum on asylum seekers as a distraction to the real issues of what conservative policies mean for Australians, such as the privatisation of services, including energy, health and education.....goodbye Australia and hello mini gun happy USA. The best of it and the worst of it as the gap between the rich and the poor widens to mean just more privatised prisons, given the US has the highest incarceration rates in the world. And laughing boy Garfield is cheering them on....pea brains like him should seek asylum in the US. Forget about Garfield, he's just a troll disguised as a clown. Regarding "lies" and "spin", gaps between rich and poor and the other stuff you mention, be careful of being too apocalyptic, spindrift. In critiqueing the Abbott Liberals, let's not canonise the Labor Party. It's true that Labor has crafted policies that you and I find ourselves in sympathy with. The problem is the disconnect - not just with Gillard but it was also a problem when Rudd was PM - between policy and politics. Under both Rudd and Gillard Labor showed itself master of the art of shooting itself in the foot - or to mix my metaphors just a bit, of taking a silk purse and turning it into a sow's ear, or if metaphors aren't your thing and you'd prefer something plainer, of taking what should be a good news story and turning it into a PR disaster. I mean, once upon a time climate change was an issue that Labor "owned" and it was the Howard Liberals who had the credibility deficit - in spades! It was Gillard's unique achievement to take what had been an electoral plus for Rudd in 2007, in which Howard was seen as playing catch-up, and in a little over two years to turn it into the worst electoral deficit for Labor since Whitlam mishandled the Loans Affair. However there's no shortage of Labor stuff in which there's zero daylight between them and the Liberals. Afghanistan is one such case in point. America's stance in the Asia/Pacific is another. There is no foreign policy debate in Australia. The Libs can afford to put up a clueless wonder like Julie Bishop as their spokesperson on foreign affairs and it doesn't matter. But the big one in which, when you strip away the political grandstanding and bullshit, there is zero difference between the two is on asylum seekers. The reason for Labor's limp-wristed response to the egregious comments by Morrison, Bernardi and Abetz treating asylum seekers like convicted paedophiles in which the neighbourhood is notified if they live among them is that the Liberals have been leading and dominating the public discourse with Labor playing a desperate and shameful catch-up in an appalling race to the bottom. Don't expect the issue to go away with an Abbott government. What you can expect is for the public language to plumb even greater depths and for Labor to be irrelevant. Another issue is the raft of security legislation in which people can be banged up without any due process. Labor is into it up to its neck just as much as the Liberals. Magna Carta? Trashed! And nobody cares - Garfield would probably call it a lefty plot from 800 years ago. The book I'm reading right now is a biography of Gandhi and Churchill, tracking their separate lives, how they intersected and how the one impacted on the other. I've reached the chapter which describes the Rowlatt Acts of 1919 which were passed after the WW1 Defense of India Act expired. There were 2 provisions of the Rowlatt Act that should interest us today: 1. Judges to be allowed to convict suspected terrorists or "subversives" without a jury; 2. Throwing suspected terrorists/subversives into jail without a trial. Sound familiar? That was 1919. What was different back then was the outcry, both in India and i the UK, at these provisions of the Rowlatt Act. It galvanised Gandhi's activism and gave it a focus and a broad reach which appealed to all Indians. You might say that it gave Gandhi and what he represented all the oxygen it needed. Trash Magna Carta today and all Labor can do is cry "me too!" It's the same in the US. While we can be pleased that Obama won a second term, it's only because it was a choice between the bad and the downright appalling. Obama talks the talk on civil liberites, but Gitmo is still there and electronic surveillance of US citizens is just as strong as ever it was under Bush. Labor is never going to meet with your approval, Spindrift. It's too much a party of capitalism and you're too much of an idealist. Not only that, your call for people who hold ideas on climate change that you don't like to be placed under arrest is downright spooky so I'm not so sure that your "Trot/Green" version of "left wing" is good news for individual liberties either. Having said that, it's important to get Abbott into perspective. He's a Big Government conservative. I think you'll find the differences are smaller than you might expect. Leave the apocalyptic hyperbole to clowns and trolls like Garfield.
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