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Post by pim on Mar 5, 2013 14:04:44 GMT 10
Earl Grey did you read your own link? Thank you for demonstrating my own point.
Oh, and btw if a socialist like Lenin dismisses the Labor Party as anything but "socialist", and you tell me my view of "socialism" is too narrow because I happen to agree with Lenin on what "socialism" means, then I'm sorry, Earl Grey, but you haven't really even come close to ruining my day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 18:58:42 GMT 10
We know politics is moving to the right of center with Labor, and Coalition mob getting as bad as the US Tea Party howling anything of social reform socialism, or MacArthur we his commies under the bed rhetoric.
You have Pim denying any socialist links with Labors past and Julia Gilllard proclaiming the other week at a union bash ..."I am not the leader of a party called the progressive party, I am not the leader of a party called the moderate party......I am not the leader of a party even called the social democratic party" guess leaving out democratic socialist party was for the union gathering benefit..."I am the leader of the party called the Labor party deliberately, because this is where we come from...blah blah blah"...from my memory and was taught at school in history many decades ago...so maybe little rusty, the Labour Party itself was created by striking unionist (shearers and maritime) disenfranchised with the once allied Liberals who sold them out...now I was under the impression that Unionism, workers and socialism worked together for equality and a fair dinkum wage against the strident capitalism that was happening in the 1890's screwing the workers wages.
William Lane who was at that time a Labour party member was so pissed off with things he went off to Paraguay to build a socialist utopia, undoubtedly I think it was perhaps teetotalism that brought the colony down.
Banjo Patterson and Henry Lawson and others wrote in the Bulletin the virtues of socialism and republicanism, to think socialism wasn't an ideology used and considered by Labour and the Liberals in Australia's history is somewhat disingenuous.
And now Labor dislikes to talk about socialism as it moves to the right and capitalism as there are no longer any major social objectives to pursue...the big objectives has been done and so turns it's nose up at the "lollipop left" with right faction party members full of their own self importance and ego saying it doesn't need the Left anymore, which has proved to be merely Labor cutting off its nose to despite its face, and hence losing its popularity amongst workers and those concerned for the environment.
It was the "Lollipop" Left in Labor who were the ones on the street in protest against the Vietnam war, as it was with the Iraq war, the Left who were the ones fighting to save Australia's rainforest, in fact it is the left out in the streets and rivers fighting all the social issues, and Pim calls them the Lollipops, I would say they are the hardcore unsung heroes,...yet when Gillard faces the miners she kowtows to their demands, on asylum seekers takes the same piss weak stance as the Liberals, bash em rather than solve the problem.
While a hard fighter on her colleagues prepared with ego to back stab the populist Rudd, and disenfranchise the Greens who the Labor party needs in votes, yet has no guts with business reform and the free marketeers.
While the Labor right faction came into power on the back of the social issues work achieved by the "lollipop" left and now in their own self importance simply move over to fill the space the Liberals have left behind, as they jump to become full on laissez faire free markteers dead shits,..the result will only sink Labor as disenfranchised supporters especially the young who will look to equality polices on offer with alternative parties,.. the votes to the Greens or the Democratic Socialist will mean a loss for Labor reduced too a minor party unless after the destruction of the next election will see Labor in a reformation of its core values.
Unless that weakend they join the coalition a conservative uber party of deadshits.
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Post by Salem on Mar 5, 2013 19:19:12 GMT 10
PMSL Pim has officially lost it. He cannot seriously believe the rubbish he is spewing.
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 9:26:33 GMT 10
So there we have it gentle reader. Between the lollipop left mentioning me in the same line as a Labor Prime Minister as equally worthy of condemnation: You have Pim denying any socialist links with Labors past and Julia Gilllard proclaiming the other week at a union bash ..."I am not the leader of a party called the progressive party, I am not the leader of a party called the moderate party......I am not the leader of a party even called the social democratic party" guess leaving out democratic socialist party was for the union gathering benefit..."I am the leader of the party called the Labor party deliberately, because this is where we come from...blah blah blah" ... and Salem, the board's finest exponent of far right paranoid fruitcake freakshow shrillness, adding her own bit of gratuitous obloquy: PMSL Pim has officially lost it. He cannot seriously believe the rubbish he is spewing. ... I think I must be getting something right when I'm in trouble with the opposite extremes on either side of the spectrum
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Post by geopol on Mar 6, 2013 11:36:50 GMT 10
You certainly could not have a more stupid mismomer than "The Liberal Party" in Australia though I believe that somewhere way back the Canadians showed that stupidty does not just reside in one particular counrty when they had a "Liberal- Conservative" government.....
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 11:39:16 GMT 10
Meanwhile ... 30 years ago : Today is 30 years since Bob Hawke led Labor to victory over Malcolm Fraser in the 1983 federal election. Well may you insert the "cool" icon, Earl Grey, because the Rudd/Gillard governments don't come to within a bull's roar of the quality of the Hawke/Keating Governments.
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Post by caskur on Mar 6, 2013 12:47:35 GMT 10
oh dear Keating?
you're stuck in a time warp!
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 13:10:50 GMT 10
Hey! Don't blame me, sweetheart! I wasn't the one who brought it up!
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Post by caskur on Mar 6, 2013 13:12:46 GMT 10
How can you actually like Keating?
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 13:19:26 GMT 10
Brace yourself for a spate of you tube c & p's on Keating saying "I'm gonna do you slowly, mate!", or "When I told our caucus you were a low altitude flyer, I was right wasn't I!"
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Post by caskur on Mar 6, 2013 13:24:08 GMT 10
So he was a witty orator… that might have entertained the elitists but I remember having to live on my credit card for 3 months while he ran the country… thank god those abhorrent days are behind us… these days, I’ll never have to live on a credit card again.
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Post by Salem on Mar 6, 2013 16:42:44 GMT 10
... and Salem, the board's finest exponent of far right paranoid fruitcake freakshow Huh? Far right? You don't pay attention do you Pim? I've never been described as 'far right' before. Considering I am left wing liberal and are in favour of; abortion, a Republic, gay marriage, am anti death penalty and anti bible bashers, etc I'd hate to think what you'd consider TRULY far right! What ever are Skippy, Stellar etc? I'm the most left wing moderate conservative on this board. You're the only one who would ever consider me 'extreme right'. Which again, proves that you truly have lost touch with reality.
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Post by Salem on Mar 6, 2013 16:46:26 GMT 10
Lol, Pim considers me "far right". Heck, I don't even wade into the Muslim threads.
Pray tell Pimbo, just what views of mine do you consider "far right"? Come on, put up or shut up. What view or view(s) do you consider to be "far right"? Gentle readers do want to know.
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Post by Salem on Mar 6, 2013 16:48:12 GMT 10
Dr. No promises savage cuts ... Yes. Posting Labor flyers is really going to convince people. You silly fool EG. You're only 'preaching to the converted', you're not proving any point.
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Post by Salem on Mar 6, 2013 17:06:16 GMT 10
Sad Phil, so sad. Don't you have any dignity? ROFLMAO
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 20:40:15 GMT 10
Sloganeering, Earl Grey - just c & p's. Try harder.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 20:55:48 GMT 10
Thats right workers will be $80.00 per week WORSE OFF under Abbott, after he cuts the tax-free-threashold. Don't believe their hype, when they cut Carbon Pricing, they cut your tax-free-threashold. be afraid, very fucking afraid. We cannot afford an Abbott Government.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 21:04:59 GMT 10
How galling will it be for aussie workers, when they wake up on day 1 of an Abbott Government to find that their taxes rise by $80.00 per week whilst Abbotts Spiv mates in the inner cities get massive tax-cuts ? will they still think that Getting Gillard was worth it ?
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Post by Salem on Mar 6, 2013 23:48:13 GMT 10
Wellv Pim, an answer to my question?
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Post by geopol on Mar 7, 2013 5:39:19 GMT 10
Salem," far right" or not, which of course you are, you are nevertheless right up yourself as only the stupid, the dogmaticlly stupid, can be!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 6:02:24 GMT 10
The ideology of Liberalism has changed and has moved further to conservatism and the Labor Party is merely filling the gap left behind by the Liberals....its no longer capitalism verses socialism it is Liberalism going down the plug hole in a move towards conservative elitism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 9:12:35 GMT 10
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Post by garfield on Mar 7, 2013 12:04:24 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Mar 7, 2013 14:14:09 GMT 10
It's gonna be a long 6 months ...
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Post by garfield on Mar 7, 2013 14:38:29 GMT 10
An old man lay sprawled across three entire seats in the movie theater.
When the usher came by and noticed this, he whispered to the old man, "Sorry sir, but you're only allowed one seat." The old man groaned but didn't budge.
The usher became more impatient. "Sir, if you don't get up from there I'm going to have to call the manager."
Once again, the old man just groaned. The usher marched briskly back up the aisle, and in a moment he returned with the manager. Together the two of them tried repeatedly to move the old disheveled man, but with no success. Finally they summoned the police. The officer surveyed the situation briefly then asked, "All right buddy what's your name? ""Fred," the old man moaned. "Where ya from, Fred?" asked the police officer. With terrible pain in his voice, and without moving a muscle, Fred replied, "The balcony."
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