Leftist violence in Melbourne!

[matt]

I am watching ABC News 24 now and seeing footage of the leftists violently grabbing people going in to see Geert Wilders. They grabbed them by the scruff of their shirt, and threw them to the ground.

I thought leftists only believed in "peaceful" protests. Well, obviously they just believe in violence.

[slartibartfast]

FAR-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders has called the Prophet Muhammad a murderer and used Anzac soldiers as an example of the courage needed to speak out against Islam at a speech to Melbourne supporters.

Tight security surrounded Mr Wilders' hour-long speech to members of the ultra-conservative local group the Q Society of Australia at La Mirage reception centre in Somerton in Melbourne's north on Tuesday night.

Fifty police, some on horseback, separated about 100 vocal but peaceful protesters standing on the Hume Highway verge outside the venue.

Protest organiser Feiyi Zhang said: "we're here to show we will not stand for Wilders' racism and Islamophobia". She said his speech could incite violence against Muslims "and general fear of Islam".

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Protester Nadia Shamsuddin, a doctor and a Muslim, said she was "repulsed" by Wilders' visit and views. "His promotion of oppression and racism is appalling in the civilised world".

Her husband Raj Rao said: "Wilders accuses Islam of promoting hatred and violence but I think that's what he's doing."

Mr Rao said the message of the Qu'ran was of "peace and submission to God".

Inside the venue, audience member Inez, a Dutch immigrant, said she had come from Ringwood to hear Wilders, "because we have built this country into something very, very beautiful but I can slowly see it getting spoiled by people who want to impose their beliefs and laws.

"When I hear Muslim people wanted to introduce Sharia law here, I shudder. I thought it too horrible to contemplate."

Audience members had to go through a metal detector, bag searches and identity checks. Mr Wilders spoke to a ballroom usually used for multicultural weddings and debutante balls.

The crowd met his speech with standing ovations, laughter at his jokes and applause.

Mr Wilders said the Prophet Muhammad was a savage leader of a gang of robbers that raped and murdered and mutilated its opponents including the Jews in 7th century Medina and violence had carried on to Islam's modern day supporters.

He said anyone who criticised Islam "is in grave personal danger" and "we cannot continue to accept this".

European countries such as the Netherlands are "in the process of losing our cultural identity and our freedom and I am warning Australia about the true nature of Islam."

"It's not a religion; it's a dangerous and totalitarian ideology."


Read more: www.theage.com.au/national/islam-a-dangerous-and-totalitarian-ideology-wilders-20130219-2epx5.html#ixzz2LNXVHnyS

[caskur]

My Great Grandfather fought in the Boer War, the War in India and signed up for the 1st WW from Midland WA...

War sucks. It is the right of this man to have his views BUT it's not the Australian way. We're not Sth Africa, or Holland... or any place else.

We do have social issues that are being manufactured and need to be addressed or the next 20 yrs will completely wreck our unique environment.... its on the border of collapse now as they eat into the precious environment with urban sprawl. It's got to stop.

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Assimilation takes time...Governments should be thinking along the lines immigration should be slowed if Australian's are to think of a sustainable future.

But under the banner of growth is good for the big end of town, that isn't going to happen....and so it goes the big rush for a population level of 50 million will in the end bite Australia on the bum..regardless of who migrates to these shores...muslims or otherwise.

Another case of science is ignored in favour of the almighty buck.

[caskur]

This country is in a disgraceful state. The greed is beyond ridiculous.

Our government have let the population down...

last night on Today Tonight they featured fish and fish products... we're being poisoned by fish from Asian countries overseas and our pristine fish is going to Asia...

If that isn't sick, what is?

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Very sick Cathy..< note being nice...I rarely eat seafood....about last easter my wife to feed the hungry horde of kids and grandkids decied on fish and chips, went to a local take away shop and brought home a hamburger for me and they had grilled fish...she thought when the sign at the shop said 'Perch' it was the local real McCoy fish type....I told her no it was Nile Perch and or Mekong Carp..which sea food sticks are made from...when the fish was going cold it turned a luminous green colour and tasted as bad as it looked....full of amonia and chemicals they use to kill the bacteria..don't buy farm fished or imported, or even tin tuna. Will be wars over fish before too long.

And frozen vegetables....we import huge volumes from China, and NZ where China exports blocks of frozen veg to NZ where they break it down and package it to Australia under the guise of a NZ product...wouldn't happen under a Democratic Socialist Government who would have protection barriers.

[caskur]

Feb 20, 2013 9:16:04 GMT 10 @spindrift111 said:

Very sick Cathy..< note being nice...I rarely eat seafood....about last easter my wife to feed the hungry horde of kids and grandkids decied on fish and chips, went to a local take away shop and brought home a hamburger for me and they had grilled fish...she thought when the sign at the shop said 'Perch' it was the local real McCoy fish type....I told her no it was Nile Perch and or Mekong Carp..which sea food sticks are made from...when the fish was going cold it turned a luminous green colour and tasted as bad as it looked....full of amonia and chemicals they use to kill the bacteria..don't buy farm fished or imported, or even tin tuna. Will be wars over fish before too long.

And frozen vegetables....we import huge volumes from China, and NZ where China exports blocks of frozen veg to NZ where they break it down and package it to Australia under the guise of a NZ product...wouldn't happen under a Democratic Socialist Government who would have protection barriers.

It literally makes me cry... who are these idiots running our country?

<shakes head>

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Running the country are the economic pushers ....hooked on the drug greed and growth is good.

Democratic Socialism is the way out if people want it too happen.

[pim]

Oh whinge, whinge ...

Australia has had high immigration levels since the Gold Rushes of the 1850s. We federated on 1/1/901 with 4 million people from Perth to Sydney, from Adelaide to Darwin. Fourteen years later, in 1914, we went into WW1 with 5 million people. A generation later, in 1939, we went into WW2 with 8 million people. By the late 1950s we'd hit 10 million people. Now it's 23 million people. This isn't down to the "government" or Liberal or Labor or conspiracies or whether or not there's a giiant tap somewhere marked "population" that some all-powerul entity called "Government" can turn on or off, it's historical. It's even reflected in that line in the national anthem - and in this sense we have a national anthem that sings the truth:

For those who've come across the seas we've boundless plains to share

To argue that somehow this "Gummint" fairy should turn off the population tap is no response at all. Is that why you're going to vote for tthe Abbott Liberals, Caskur? Newsflash: they're into population growth and building up infrastructure to deal wih it. Why otherwise would they have had their "100 new dams" brain explosion?

I won't be holding my breath over their "100 new dams" fantasy but what I acknowledge that does mean is that with their "develop the north!" and "become Asia's food bowl" election gimmicks, at least they'retalking about water. And with Sydney and Melbourne set to hit 7 million each by mid century, and Brisbane set to be as big as Sydney is today, with Perth set to balloon out in population, with Canberra already within striking distance of half a million, and the only state capitals prediicted to stay roughly the same being Adelaide and Hobart, I'd say water should be given top priority in national and regional policy formulation. Forget Labor or Liberal. These are issues that won't go away no matter who wins an election. So is population gowth.

There is no population tap.

[caskur]

Growing veggies in a cyclone zone is a really stupid, stupid thing to do...

Dohhhh!

[caskur]

I'm not going to vote until there is someone to vote for!

[Deleted]

Well we know Pim the factional Labor Right is all growth with population...meet the new boss same as the pol' boss..stuff..

Factoring out sustainabilty is well ..stupid..in it.

MR: Reducing population growth can help climate mitigation



Submitted by webmaster on Tue, 2013-01-15 22:19





The current record-breaking heatwave that has affected continental Australia is a symptom of climate change, according to Sustainable Population Australia Inc. (SPA).

SPA national president, Ms Sandra Kanck, says reducing population growth is an integral part of climate change mitigation.

“We commend the Australian Government for increasing funding to family planning, but at a mere one per cent of our international aid, it is not enough,” says Ms Kanck. “At the same time, Australia’s record high immigration rate will make it impossible for Australia to achieve its fair share of emissions reductions. As one of the highest per-capita emitters, each migrant adopting an Australian lifestyle adds between 10 and 20 tonnes per year to global emissions.

“Global warming is creating an Australian climate in which we are seeing a greater prevalence of hot, dry days with a greater risk of bushfire,” she says. “The ten hottest years on record in Australia have occurred since 1998.”

Ms Kanck cited the UN Population Division’s 2010 World Population Prospects that noted that mid-century global population projections range between 8 and 10.5 billion, with a mid-estimate of 9.2 billion. The difference between eight billion and nine billion people is between one and four billion tonnes of carbon per year, according to the report. “William Ryerson of the Population Media Centre said in a recent interview that going from seven to nine billion people in the world is the equivalent of adding two United States in emissions terms,” Ms Kanck says.

A 2010 paper by Brian C. O’Neill et al published in the Proceedings of the National Academies of Science (PNAS), showed that “reduced population growth could make a significant contribution to global emissions reductions.” It found that following a lower population path could achieve 16–29% of desired emission reduction goals by 2050 and even more significantly, reduce total emissions use by 37–41% by the end of the century.

“Fewer extra people not only means less fossil fuel use, it means less deforestation where forests are cut down to grow food; and it means less intensification of agriculture,” says Ms Kanck.

“Ross Garnaut in his report to government has noted that agriculture in Australia contributes 16.8 per cent of Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions. While two-thirds of our food is exported, as demand increases from population growth here and overseas, there will be greater pressure to intensify agriculture or turn more native bush over to growing food. Both activities will increase emissions. Perversely, that will aggravate climate change which will, in turn, make it harder to grow food.”

[garfield]

LOL, yet another group on the climate change band wagon ;D

[chequeredflaggg]

Good for Geert, looks like he nailed it.

And so did Inez the Dutch immigrant with her remarks..

as for the Leftard ferals and mussos causing trouble outside, all par for the course..

[pim]

Sandra Kanck?? Sandra f***ing Kanck??

Tell us you're kidding! Please tell us you're having a lend.

Garfield has heard of Sandra Kanck as I have, because we both live in SA. So has Stockton.

Ya wanna know about Sandra Kanck? She used to be an MLC in the SA Parliament. She was a Democrat back then. Basically that individual was into pulling stunts. She was a real attention-seeking missile. At one stage she read into Hansard the step-by-step manual produced by that "how-to-kill-yourself" Nitschke which Parliament subsequently had to vote to expunge from the Parliamentary record because you can't have a publication funded by the taxpayer that lays on the public record a step-by-step guide in how to kill yourself.

She's a ratbag.

You can associate yourself with her if you like, but count me out.

The mere mention of her name in Adelaide is enough to make eyes roll and look skywards.

She was in the Australian Democrats once. And now she calls herself a "socialist"?? Give us a break!!

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Feb 20, 2013 8:54:53 GMT 10 @spindrift111 said:

Assimilation takes time...

It sure does.

Even after hundreds of years, WHITE still hasn't assimilated into the society that was already existing in Oz when the whitie boat people first started infesting the place.

So I guess when hundreds of years have gone by and current boat people still haven't begun to assimilate, then whitie Australians will have grounds to whinge.

[matt]

It is disgusting, those leftists should be charged for assault!

[garfield]

Lucky being a complete fucking idiot isn't a crime otherwise Kiwi would get 30 years.

[caskur]

Feb 20, 2013 11:46:19 GMT 10 kiwithrottlejockey said:

Feb 20, 2013 8:54:53 GMT 10 @spindrift111 said:

Assimilation takes time...

It sure does.

Even after hundreds of years, WHITE still hasn't assimilated into the society that was already existing in Oz when the whitie boat people first started infesting the place.

So I guess when hundreds of years have gone by and current boat people still haven't begun to assimilate, then whitie Australians will have grounds to whinge.

there was only fauna and flora in Australia before settlement... the history books say so!

[caskur]

The Australian land is raped and tortured daily...


the best thing that could happen to Australia is everyone pack their bags and go home... take the rabbits, foxes, cats, dogs, feral camels, goats, pigs and rats with you.. AND CANE TOADS!

ps... don't come back!

[garfield]

An example of what Geert is talking about and what the left are dying to infict on us because the left are always wanting to shit in their own nest ...


Re: ‘Jihad Seeker’s Allowance’
By Mark Steyn
February 18, 2013 7:01 P.M. Comments0
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Nathaniel, re Anjem Choudary urging his followers to claim “Jihad Seeker’s Allowance”, seven years ago in my book America Alone (2006) I wrote:

Muhammed Metin Kaplan used his time on welfare in Germany to set up his Islamist group, Caliphate State; the so-called “caliph of Cologne” was subsequently extradited to Turkey for planning to fly a plane into the mausoleum of Kemal Ataturk. Ahmed Ressam, arrested in Washington State en route to blow up Los Angeles International Airport, hatched his plot while on welfare in Montreal. Abdul Nacer Benbrika, leader of a group of Australian Islamists, lived in Melbourne for ten years and never did a day’s work; now he’s been jailed for terrorism-related activities, and taxpayers are ponying up $50,000 a year in benefits to his wife. Abu Hamza became Britain’s most famous fire-breathing imam while on welfare in London and, after being charged with incitement to murder and sent to jail, sued the government for extra benefits on top of the £1,000 a week his family already received. Abu Qatada, a leading al-Qaeda recruiter, became an Islamist bigshot while on welfare in Britain, and only when he was discovered to have £150,000 in his bank account did the Department for Work and Pensions turn off the spigot. Oh, and here’s an item from The Times of London:

“Police are investigating allegations that the four suspected July 21 bombers collected more than £500,000 in benefits payments in Britain.”

I’m not saying every benefit recipient is a terrorist welfare queen. I am saying that the US should declare European welfare systems a national security threat.

Seven years later, Mr Choudary has come clean:

“The normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar [non-believers].

“So we take Jihad Seeker’s Allowance. You need to get support.”

He went on to tell a 30-strong crowd: “We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming.”

Lenin said “The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.” Islam has gone the Commies one better: The modern western welfare state gives them the money to buy the rope with which they will hang us.

[chequeredflaggg]

Yep..

[Deleted]

The point about sustainability has been lost in a rant about Sandra Kanck, that is simply diverting the issue of what is a sustainable population level for Australia.

So a little education .....read on..

www.skwirk.com.au/p-c_s-16_u-132_t-383_c-1341/ecological-sustainability/nsw/ecological-sustainability/australia-in-its-regional-context/challenges-for-australia-population

Introduction

The physical environments that make up Australia have been protected and managed by Aboriginal people for at least 40 000 years. In the past two centuries the competition for space and resources has resulted in ecological destruction. Today, the impact of this on Australia's biodiversity motivates attempts by governments and non-government organisations to manage ecologically sustainable development (ESD). Australia has been declared one of the world's top twelve 'megadiverse' countries and is particularly responsible because it is the only country of these twelve that has the degree of development, national wealth and knowledge to maintain and conserve its level of biodiversity. Further, because of its unique position as an island nation, it has the sole responsibility for this. Australia's reliance on manufacture and farming industries as well as medical developments that draw on these resources also makes sustainability an important issue. This chapter will discuss ESD policies and methods as applied to Australia's future economic and environmental concerns.

Reasons for sustainability

Changes have occurred in Australia's social, political and economic way of life and subsequently its attitude towards the environment. This is due to growing concern for survival in a region which has undergone the worst effects of ozone depletion and increasing amounts of ultraviolet radiation, particularly over Halley Bay in Antarctica since 1970 and in pockets of ozone-depleted air that have moved over the south-eastern parts of Australia since then. The deterioration of land and population pressure along coastlines are also a concern, as well as commercial and suburban household waste and the need to manage these at community, council and government levels.
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Aboriginal and early European approaches

Australian Aboriginal people relied for their survival on the quality of water, soil and vegetation which today are still Australia's most fundamental resources. The first inhabitants survived landform and sea-level changes, and created gradual environmental changes over periods of time with the controlled burning of vegetation for hunting purposes. The arrival of European settlers saw more rapid changes with the aid of technology in soil erosion due to grazing, the logging of forests and the pollution of waterways. Since then the pattern and scale of Australia's highly urban development and concentration along coastlines has further emphasised the need to preserve its water, soil and vegetation resources.

Current approaches

Australia's current ecologically sustainable development (ESD) involves the conservation of its ecosystems for future generations while attempting to meet its current economic needs. It is argued that the future negative environmental impact of industrial and other development may be reduced by following such a path. Australia's government has sought to do this through its National Strategy on Ecologically Sustainable Development (NSESD) (1992). NSESD enacts policies that seek to:
•integrate economic and environmental goals in policies and activitie;


•properly value Australia's environmental assets;


•provide for equity within and between generations;


•address environmental risk issues;


•recognise the global context of ESD.

Its policies also seek to underpin development with improved levels of education and community participation. In a broader global context, NSESD has drawn on three internationally recognised principles for sustainability. These principles include:
•Intergenerational equity: 'Act to protect so that future generations have the opportunity to benefit from the Earth's resources.'


•Precautionary approach: 'Act to ensure that if there is doubt about the environmental impact of a development process act cautiously. If there is a significant environmental risk, do not do it.'


•Biodiversity conservation: 'Act to ensure that other species are able to live indefinitely on this planet and are not endangered by development and production, and where possible replenished if populations are low.'

This combination of approaches has attempted to encourage both wider and longer-term views of the economic, social and environmental implications for decisions being made in Australia on a regional and global level. Methods for applying these have been adopted at such levels with overarching support coming from the Department of the Environment and Heritage and its sustainability strategies through NSESD and other agreements. These have included the Intergovernmental Agreement on the Environment, which brings environmental issues to the attention of government departments and local governments, while other sustainability projects are aimed at non-government industry groups, businesses, academia, voluntary conservation organisations, community groups and individuals. Australia is also involved with international agreements and agencies such as the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and the United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development.


So in short if Australia isn't thinking of sustainability population levels then the environment and a better life goes down the gurgler.

Big business and the economic pushers are saying we need a population of 50 million to sustain economic growth, people for the most coming from poor over populated nations .....well when 50m ill is reached it will be argued for more people to maintain growth until Australia is no better than a over populated poor nation, resources and the environment expired...fished out, farmed out and polluted out.

Poor nations over population issues cannot be solved by western nations continuously taking the over flow from these nations so big business can make more profit...its an Easter islander mentality.

The idelouge of bigger population is better is corrupt, better for no one except the big end economic pushers.

[pim]

Spindrift I'll come to your comment regarding my "rant about Sandra Kanck in a moment. But first your cause célèbre. I avoid these discussions on population questions on boards like this simply because of the agendas of the people who conduct them. Remember Lechat? She wanted us to believe that asylum seekers were part of an overpopulation problem ... for Australia. In other words "stopping the boats" was a noble cause because it helped solve our population "problem". It also feeds into the anti-immigrant xenophobic narrative of several board members I could name.

I don't know how you "control" population, Spindrift. Personally, I don't think it can be "controlled" in the technician spirit in which you appear to be looking at it. There isn't a population "tap" that you can turn off and on. The Chinese have tried it with their One Child Policy which they applied harshly: any family who breaks that policy faces consequences - or at least the child does. It's led to cases of infanticide as people kill baby girls, it's led to sex slavery and it's led to serious gender imbalances with no fewer than 40 million young Chinese men of marriageable age who will never find a partner to have a family with. What's the answer for these people? Polyandry? Then there's India. I believe under Indira Gandhi there were compulsory sterilisations and compulsory abortions. This is what top-down population control leads to. The term "tyranny" springs to mind. I mention China and India because if you're talking about "sustainable population" then it's like climate change and global warming: it's useless to talk about it exclusively in an Australian context. You have to have a global perspective. I don't pretend to have the "answers" on population. Besides, my parents had 7 children so they definitely weren't into population control. They came to this wide brown land with 6 kids and had the 7th after they'd arrived. In fact, migration policy was all about families with kids and big families were good news. I'm the father of 3 kids so I have no Zero Population Growth credibility either.

One thing is certain: the world's population is going to grow by several more billions before it starts to shrink and there's nothing the likes of Sandra Kanck can do about it. The task will be to feed, clothe, educate and house those extra billions.

But speaking of Sandra Kanck ... really Spindrift, you need to know a few things about Sandra Kanck before you start quoting people like her. You're an earnest honest kinda guy and I know you hold your opinions fearlessly and sincerely. So you do need to know these things about Sandra Kanck:

1. As if they weren't in enough trouble already, the Democrats this week lost their national president. Richard Pascoe resigned in protest at the views of Sandra Kanck MLC, the Democrats' last remaining representative in the South Australian parliament. Ms Kanck stands accused of promoting an irresponsible view on drugs, after claiming ecstasy, the favoured drug at dance parties and raves, was not dangerous. She's also a big advocate of pill testing as a form of harm reduction.

www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/nationalinterest/the-agony-and-the-ecstasy-transcript-available/3321638

2. The lone Democrats MP in the South Australian Parliament, Sandra Kanck, has walked into another political and media storm, this time over euthanasia. In May, Ms Kanck made a speech suggesting that the drug Ecstasy was not dangerous and could have been used therapeutically by victims of the Eyre Peninsula fires. That brought fury from her opponents and angst inside her own party. Now the Democrats MP has described ways to commit suicide in a speech to Parliament. The Parliament has reacted by voting to expunge her comments from the Hansard website.

www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2006/s1731274.htm

Skippy would accuse me of shooting the messenger, but some messengers deserve to be shot!

[caskur]

Feb 20, 2013 23:45:29 GMT 10 @buzzock said:

In fact, the only violence has come from anti-Wilders protesters in Melbourne attacking older Australians trying to hear him speak.


Read more: newstalkback1.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1246&page=2#ixzz2LSfRd04m


www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/nothing-to-fear-from-wilders/story-e6frfifx-1226582213736

that is the EXACT same thing that was written about older Australians being attack when they went to Pauline Hanson rallies.