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Post by slartibartfast on Feb 21, 2013 6:14:47 GMT 10
Nothing to fear from Wilders From: Herald Sun February 20, 2013 9:30PM THIS week I had lunch with Geert Wilders, the Dutch political leader we're told is a racist and fascist who could incite violence. In fact, the only violence has come from anti-Wilders protesters in Melbourne attacking older Australians trying to hear him speak. Racist and fascist are equally untrue. Wilders has Indonesian ancestry, his friends include Somali-born writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali and he is a supporter of Israel. In Holland, a famously liberal country, Wilders leads the third-biggest party and now the second-most popular in the polls. On one issue he is frank. He warns that Islam as an ideology is a danger to Western values and freedoms, particularly our freedom to speak. But what makes his argument so powerful is how he must live. Around us as we ate were five or so Dutch police who protect him day and night. He has lived under guard now for nine years, sometimes forced to stay in army camps or prisons. That has been his life since film director Theo van Gogh, a fierce critic of Islam, was murdered in Amsterdam in 2004, his throat cut and a five-page note pinned with a knife to his stomach. That note, from his Muslim killer, said Wilders and Hirsi Ali would be next. Two other Muslim extremists were arrested for plotting to kill them and two weeks ago another friend of Wilders, Danish historian and critic of Islam Lars Hedegaard, was shot outside his home. Many of those who in any way aid Wilders also feel fear. More than 30 venues booked for his tour cancelled when they knew who was coming. Even our politicians have tried to silence him. Wilders' tour here was postponed last year when our Immigration Minister stalled for two months over his visa. The threats to Wilders' life, and to those wanting to hear him, suggest our liberties are indeed threatened by Islam - or at least by its Leftist apologists. These threats are a disgraceful attack on our freedom to decide things for ourselves, and tell us who really incites violence. www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/nothing-to-fear-from-wilders/story-e6frfifx-1226582213736Written by that doyen of free speech, Andrew Bolt. Perhaps Bernardi joined them for lunch?
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 21, 2013 9:03:53 GMT 10
Nothing to fear from Wilders From: Herald Sun February 20, 2013 9:30PM THIS week I had lunch with Geert Wilders, the Dutch political leader we're told is a racist and fascist who could incite violence. In fact, the only violence has come from anti-Wilders protesters in Melbourne attacking older Australians trying to hear him speak. Racist and fascist are equally untrue. Wilders has Indonesian ancestry, his friends include Somali-born writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali and he is a supporter of Israel. In Holland, a famously liberal country, Wilders leads the third-biggest party and now the second-most popular in the polls. On one issue he is frank. He warns that Islam as an ideology is a danger to Western values and freedoms, particularly our freedom to speak. But what makes his argument so powerful is how he must live. Around us as we ate were five or so Dutch police who protect him day and night. He has lived under guard now for nine years, sometimes forced to stay in army camps or prisons. That has been his life since film director Theo van Gogh, a fierce critic of Islam, was murdered in Amsterdam in 2004, his throat cut and a five-page note pinned with a knife to his stomach. That note, from his Muslim killer, said Wilders and Hirsi Ali would be next. Two other Muslim extremists were arrested for plotting to kill them and two weeks ago another friend of Wilders, Danish historian and critic of Islam Lars Hedegaard, was shot outside his home. Many of those who in any way aid Wilders also feel fear. More than 30 venues booked for his tour cancelled when they knew who was coming. Even our politicians have tried to silence him. Wilders' tour here was postponed last year when our Immigration Minister stalled for two months over his visa. The threats to Wilders' life, and to those wanting to hear him, suggest our liberties are indeed threatened by Islam - or at least by its Leftist apologists. These threats are a disgraceful attack on our freedom to decide things for ourselves, and tell us who really incites violence. www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/nothing-to-fear-from-wilders/story-e6frfifx-1226582213736 Great piece..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 10:00:16 GMT 10
I read the original article a few days ago and thought of posting it but too busy working 12 hour days. As a worker I know only too well the mussos' workshy habits at the expense of the taxpayers because they're the same here. Only difference is we don't have as many of them - yet! Here it is ... the lefties are as usual in denial which is why these mussos get away with it. 'Claim jobseeker's allowance and plan holy war': Hate preacher pocketing £25,000 a year in benefits calls on fanatics to live off the state * Anjem Choudary called benefits 'Jihadseeker's allowance' * The extremist told followers they must hate democracy and freedom * Also listed bizarre sharia laws, including 'not riding cats and sheep' * Later said he had been 'joking' and his words were misconstrued * He called Osama bin Laden his 'hero' By Daily Mail Reporter PUBLISHED:11:22 GMT, 17 February 2013| UPDATED: 09:58 GMT, 18 February 2013 Comments (1463) A controversial Muslim cleric who lives off benefits is urging his followers to also sponge off UK taxpayers by claiming their 'Jihadseeker's allowance'. Anjem Choudary has been recorded telling followers to claim benefits as part of their struggle to bring sharia law to the UK. Choudary, who in the past has planned to disrupt the minute's silence on Remembrance Sunday, also openly mocked hard-working Britons, calling them 'slaves'. The Sun newspaper secretly filmed him saying Islam will overrun Europe, David Cameron and Barack Obama should be killed and calling the Queen 'ugly'. But today he said he had been 'joking' and his words had been misconstrued. He also maintained that Osama Bin Laden was his 'hero'. The father-of-four takes home more than £25,000 a year in benefits and lives in a £320,000 house in Leytonstone, East London. He told a crowd of around 30 fanatics: 'People will say, 'Ah, but you are not working'. But the normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar (non-Muslim). 'So we take Jihadseeker's Allowance. You need to get support.' In another video a grinning Choudary is recorded telling his disciples that it is justifiable to take money from non-believers. He said: 'The normal situation is to take money from the kuffar. You work, give us the money, Allahu Akhbar (God is great). 'Hopefully there's no one from the DSS listening to this.' He also called Mr Cameron, Mr Obama and the leaders of Pakistan and Egypt the 'shaitan', or devil, and said he wanted them to be killed. Choudary spoke glowingly of the 9/11 attacks and urged his followers to have 'hate' in their hearts for core British concepts like democracy, freedom and freedom of religion. The 45-year-old former lawyer added: 'We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming. Brussels is 30 per cent, 40 per cent Muslim and Amsterdam. Bradford is 17 per cent Muslim. Extremist: Anjem Choudary wants the UK to become an Islamic state under sharia law 'These people are like a tsunami going across Europe. And over here we're just relaxing, taking over Bradford brother. The reality is changing.' At another meeting he displayed a £10 note of the Queen and described the portrait as 'ugly'. Choudary, 45, ran a group called al-Muhajiroun which held anti-Western demonstrations and is the former leader of Islam4UK. Both were outlawed in 2010 under the Terrorism Act. He told the Sun that his reference to 'Jihadseeker's allowance' was a joke and claims he has never urged his followers to kill anyone. He said: 'Cameron is doing satanic actions but I am not asking for anyone to be killed. We want everyone to worship Islam. I invite Cameron and the Queen to worship Islam.That would be an ideal situation.' His teachings were met with ridicule by some Muslims. Twitter user Razwan Faraz said: 'Islam teaches us to be independent and self sufficient. You clearly are a living dichotomy of ideas and actions!' Choudary later said that his rant had been 'misconstrued' and said his Jihad seeker's Allowance' comment had been a mere joke. Today he maintained that he had been comparing economic and welfare systems between Islam and Britain in a talk, and discussing how Islam would provide 'basic needs' for its citizens, The Sun reported. He said: 'As a joke in this talk to lighten the atmosphere I said "Jihad Seeker's Allowance".' He then said he believed terrorist and 9/11 mastermind Osama Bin Laden was a 'hero' to him and some of the Muslim world. Choudary said: 'He sacrificed his life and wealth for what he believes. 'He stood up against the super powers of his time.' Anjem Choudary also outlined strange sharia instructions, such as not using certain types of maggot to fish Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279972/Anjem-Choudary-Hate-preacher-pocketing-25-000-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html#ixzz2LU9n1f1p
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Post by garfield on Feb 21, 2013 10:11:26 GMT 10
Sure do, just like they fast track them onto centrelink and a free house, then they sit around bored out of their mind with nothing constructive to do and they start dreaming of jihad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 10:16:23 GMT 10
But don't forget their little sideline businesses ... running drugs and smuggling guns into Australia while they're on the dole.
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Post by geopol on Feb 21, 2013 10:31:59 GMT 10
I am fast becoming a leftie,in the parlance of the ratty right on this board at least. I also pay taxes, even in my dotage, so you useless and mindless right whingers can eat you hearts out while ejaculating your gobs of cartoon lies and bullshit. Yes Stella, even martyrs like you deserve a cart load of ordure tossed at you no matter how much you seem to need to crow that you work twelve hours a day while displaying as much empathy and charity and a dried up old prune.....
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Post by geopol on Feb 21, 2013 10:36:15 GMT 10
It is freedom of speech, idiot!
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Post by geopol on Feb 21, 2013 10:41:56 GMT 10
Your bullshit just shwes how freedom of speech can be abused, especialy by an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 10:44:05 GMT 10
It is freedom of speech, idiot! Freedom of speech is it?? Isn't that the same freedom of speech you want to deny Geert Wilders?? You stupid old demented moron.
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Post by geopol on Feb 21, 2013 10:47:58 GMT 10
You, you useless dried up old prune, get you wits about you and move away from the abuse and become moderately rational...When did I declare myself agbainst the visitation of that provocateur, Wilders?
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Post by caskur on Feb 21, 2013 11:02:53 GMT 10
I am fast becoming a leftie,in the parlance of the ratty right on this board at least. I also pay taxes, even in my dotage, so you useless and mindless right whingers can eat you hearts out while ejaculating your gobs of cartoon lies and bullshit. Yes Stella, even martyrs like you deserve a cart load of ordure tossed at you no matter how much you seem to need to crow that you work twelve hours a day while displaying as much empathy and charity and a dried up old prune..... She, like most of us with extended family offspring might want to give them the great childhoods and youth we all had and not the social mess this country is hell bent on making for future generations!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 11:04:56 GMT 10
Pure gold?? ... you're just as demented as he is.
Honestly this place is becoming more like a dementia ward with you senile old age pensioners cluttering up the place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 11:08:10 GMT 10
I am fast becoming a leftie,in the parlance of the ratty right on this board at least. I also pay taxes, even in my dotage, so you useless and mindless right whingers can eat you hearts out while ejaculating your gobs of cartoon lies and bullshit. Yes Stella, even martyrs like you deserve a cart load of ordure tossed at you no matter how much you seem to need to crow that you work twelve hours a day while displaying as much empathy and charity and a dried up old prune..... She, like most of us with extended family offspring might want to give them the great childhoods and youth we all had and not the social mess this country is hell bent on making for future generations! You can say that again Cas!!
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Post by garfield on Feb 21, 2013 11:08:23 GMT 10
Criticizing their terrorists mates does seem to bring the worst out in them. ;D
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Post by geopol on Feb 21, 2013 11:11:35 GMT 10
That's all a dried up old prune like you Stella can post......Lies and bullshit....Get a life, step away from the self-inflicted martyrdom and the narcissism for a while and you may find that the capactiy for some fun in the world stil exists, though I guess it is probably very elusive for right whinge pricks....
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Post by caskur on Feb 21, 2013 11:13:21 GMT 10
She, like most of us with extended family offspring might want to give them the great childhoods and youth we all had and not the social mess this country is hell bent on making for future generations! You can say that again Cas!! they have no foresight... they make me angry... it must be a dumbo man thing!
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Post by caskur on Feb 21, 2013 11:16:26 GMT 10
Then there was the time Garfluff got an AM radio ... It took him a month to realise he could play it at night. ;D why don't you go cut the lawn or sumpthin'?
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Post by pim on Feb 21, 2013 11:16:45 GMT 10
Garfield when you type nasty drivel like this: Sure do, just like they fast track them onto centrelink and a free house, then they sit around bored out of their mind with nothing constructive to do and they start dreaming of jihad. How on earth do you expect us to take you seriously whenever you whinge that people won't take the trouble to debate a topic in a serious way?
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Post by caskur on Feb 21, 2013 11:24:40 GMT 10
Garfield when you type nasty drivel like this: Sure do, just like they fast track them onto centrelink and a free house, then they sit around bored out of their mind with nothing constructive to do and they start dreaming of jihad. How on earth do you expect us to take you seriously whenever you whinge that people won't take the trouble to debate a topic in a serious way? Some issues need debating... common sense never needs debating, does it?
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Post by caskur on Feb 21, 2013 11:28:07 GMT 10
The thing is... illegals are fast tracked into government housing....DOHHHH...
they can't live on the streets now can they? All nooks and crannies are already filled with the homeless, including middle aged women with no children who survive on New Start or Austudy which does not even cover rent today.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 11:28:17 GMT 10
Garfield when you type nasty drivel like this: Sure do, just like they fast track them onto centrelink and a free house, then they sit around bored out of their mind with nothing constructive to do and they start dreaming of jihad. How on earth do you expect us to take you seriously whenever you whinge that people won't take the trouble to debate a topic in a serious way? Gawd ... you're in denial just like the other old leftie crocks around here.
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Post by caskur on Feb 21, 2013 11:30:13 GMT 10
Just goes to show you how some people on this board have absolutely NO BLOODY idea what is actually going on outside their computer monitors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 11:31:39 GMT 10
The thing is... illegals are fast tracked into government housing....DOHHHH... they can't live on the streets now can they? All nooks and crannies are already filled with the homeless, including middle aged women with no children who survive on New Start or Austudy which does not even cover rent today. Illegals (aka bogus asylum seekers) are looked after better than Australia's own citizens. $1 billion was spent on immigrant (i.e. asylum seeker/refugee welfare housing in 2012. It was NOT spent on the homeless.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 11:35:21 GMT 10
Just goes to show you how some people on this board have absolutely NO BLOODY idea what is actually going on outside their computer monitors. I expect it from Earl who NEVER leaves his computer except for toilet breaks and Geo who is too far gone in his slide into senility. But I would have expected a little more insight and awareness from Pim!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 11:41:31 GMT 10
Why don't you just go and jump off the Westgate Bridge and do us all a favour.
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