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Post by Salem on Feb 4, 2013 7:13:47 GMT 10
Poll could mean Rudd reconsidered A NEW poll showing Labor heading for defeat could lead to Kevin Rudd being reconsidered as leader, says former Liberal minister Amanda Vanstone. The first Newspoll conducted since Julia Gillard called the election for September 14 puts Tony Abbott ahead in the preferred prime minister stakes. It shows Labor's primary support has plunged six points to 32 per cent while the coalition's has lifted four points to 48 per cent ( my comment: 3 more points and the coalition won't even need to worry about 2pp or go to preferences) in the past three weeks. And it gives the coalition a massive 56 to 44 per cent lead in the two-party preferred figure. Ms Vanstone says the poll could see those in marginal seats reconsider Mr Rudd. "If you think you're going to lose your seat you look at someone who you don't like, you think, 'wouldn't be a bad leader I might keep my seat'," she told the Nine Network on Monday. "It'll be a rough time for Julia now." However, former Hawke government minister Graham Richardson said Mr Rudd would not make a tilt for leadership unless he was sure of numbers, which he doesn't have at the moment. "It isn't as simple as that because of this personal dislike of Rudd," Mr Richardson told the Nine Network. "It's so strong with so many people in the caucus. Some of them will never vote for him no matter what joy he would bring them." www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/poll-could-mean-rudd-reconsidered/story-e6freono-1226569679106So with the recent poll slump it looks less likely that Labor will go to the next election with Gillard as Leader and Prime Minister. But am I reading this right? Richo, of the 'whatever it takes' school of thought, is telling us that there are some in Labor caucus that would prefer to (as Labor sees it) inflict Tony Abbott on the workers and battlers of Australia, THAN swallow their pride and take Rudd back? Are these people in politics for the betterment of workers, or for their own political power plays? What is more important? Cutting off your nose to spite your face, or doing ANYTHING you can do to stop Abbott becoming PM - if that means Rudd, so be it? And the Gillard numbers have the hide to claim they are for the battlers? Doesn't appear that way from where I'm sitting! If their personal dislike for Rudd is more important than stopping Abbott, maybe the ALP need to expel these anti-battler workers.
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Post by Salem on Feb 4, 2013 8:22:48 GMT 10
I don't know if the Liberals really would love it. Rudd is seen as far too popular, especially here in Qld, that he could save a few seats here alone. I can understand Labor not wanting to change leaders yet again, but they've got to ask; Whats more important? Sticking with Gillard and giving Australia Abbott? If Labor are truly, truly for the workers as they claim, they'd stop at absolutely nothing to block Abbott from getting to the Lodge, even if it meant Rudd. How can they claim they're for the poor, the battlers when they'd sooner inflict Abbott on Australia? Their blind obsession with sticking with Gillard no matter who gets hurt or the consequence to Australia doesn't back up the party's claim that they're for the poor. What is more important to them? It comes down to that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 8:50:00 GMT 10
Labor is currently controlled by factions who are essentially self serving rat bags, all favours and pay backs.
Kevin Rudd was dispatched simply because of the mining lobby power and Labor not having the guts to stand behind Rudd and so the resource super profit tax which would not have been watered down into a clayton waste of time as it is under Gillard, as was her carbon tax venture..
Labor should reinstate Rudd now....as Gillard cannot win or score any hits against the Abbott team, Kev can win it back, and if LAbor was after the women vote, if not Kev than Penny Wong, she would make a great PM. smart, quick witted and a top bloke
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 19:29:22 GMT 10
Labor is currently controlled by factions Salem is controlled by fictions |
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Post by Lord Stockton on Feb 4, 2013 19:44:27 GMT 10
re#3 above
Labor is currently controlled by factions who are essentially self serving rat bags, all favours and pay backs.
Shit- things must be bad when normal ALP supporters say that about their party in writing.
Mind you, plenty of Federal ALP polies are saying much the same. (Otherwise why would Julia have told them NOT to background the media today?)
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Post by slartibartfast on Feb 4, 2013 19:51:35 GMT 10
Labor is currently controlled by factions Salem is controlled by fictions ;D Like Paul Kelly is a lefty, the IMF is part of an ALP plot, etc |
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Post by Salem on Feb 4, 2013 22:36:55 GMT 10
Labor is currently controlled by factions Salem is controlled by fictions Nothing to say on the topic, Freddy? Oh, of course, I forgot. You're the one who really truly believed ABBOTT will be replaced, not Gillard, huh?  What a fool you'ver made of yourself. Just like the prized arse clown below who believes someone who was a financial member of the ALP AND his wife's Campaign Director is "not Labor" Fqk me dead!! ;D Better tell ALP's membership dept he is not left wing. pmsl Or that a former Labor Advisor runs the IMF! These lefty clowns truly are tripping all over themselves to make a fool of themselves! Oh, the closer we get to the election, the more unravelled they will become. I wonder if we'll get a Britney Spears meltdown from one of them?  ;D |
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Post by slartibartfast on Feb 4, 2013 22:43:55 GMT 10
Australia's most needlessly wasteful spending took place under the John Howard-led Coalition government rather than under the Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments, an international study has found. The International Monetary Fund examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies. It identifies only two periods of Australian "fiscal profligacy" in recent years, both during John Howard's term in office - in 2003 at the start of the mining boom and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007. Read more: www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/hey-big-spender-howard-the-king-of-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html#ixzz2HfXGXbnpthe reply? I did. Unlike you, I don't fall for any Labor hack's lies, spin and half-truths. You are well and truly cooked. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 6:55:18 GMT 10
Still rewriting history I see Salem
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Post by matt on Feb 5, 2013 7:44:37 GMT 10
The ALP never liked Rudd in the first place, he was not from true union stock, and therefore couldn't be controlled. That is why they drafted Gillard, because they knew that she belonged to them, and that they could control her like a string puppet.
Take a look at Simon Crean's comments about using Rudd, bottling his popularity... but on the condition he is managed and controlled.
Rudd wont play ball and nor should he. People like Crean should suffer.
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Post by caskur on Feb 7, 2013 10:52:57 GMT 10
Rudd isn't popular... he's a dipshit.
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Post by pim on Feb 7, 2013 11:31:52 GMT 10
What is this "popularity" bullshit? Rudd is "popular" because he massages the morning TV breakfast shows. Rudd is "popular" because he tweets family pics of himself with his grabdchild or his pet cat. Rudd is "popular" because he knows how to gladhand people in shopping malls. Rudd is "popular" because he
s a self-serving attention-seeking missile who never misses a photo op.
These are all gimmicks. If this is what you are trying to argue is the measure of political success then count me out 'coz I don't agree.
We all know that Gillard is unpopular and we each have our own take on why. We all know as well that Tony Abbott is unpopular and, again, we'd each have our own take on why. Popularity doesn't necessarily equate with political success. Kim Beazley was viewed affectionately by the Australian people but he never won an election against John Howard. John Howard ended up being the 2nd longest serving PM after Menzies but the Australian people didn't "love" him.
Between Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott, one of them will be Australian Prime Minister this Christmas. I know which one I'd put my money on as the one most likely and I think the vast majority would agree it'll be Tony Abbott. But neither JG nor TA is popular! In fact these elections are remarkable in that the two candidates that the Australian people would prefer to see the contest between - Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull - are the candidates we're not going to get. Instead it's going to be a contest between the two candidates that nobody wants.
So whatever these elections are going to be about, they're not going to be a popularity contest. Popularity has nothing to do with it and neither should it.
The Labor Party is riven with disunity and strife, while the Liberals stand rock solid behind Tony Abbott - at least for as long as they have the whiff of Labor political blood in their nostrils. The cracks will show some time after their victory but that will be then. This is now. The cardinal rule of Australian politics has always been "Disunity is death" and right now Labor is in the death zone. Replacing Gillard with Rudd will change none of that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 11:47:16 GMT 10
Obeid the right faction power in Labor and no one talks of him.....funny that.
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Post by pim on Feb 7, 2013 11:57:24 GMT 10
The Obeid business will continue to cause Labor to haemorrhage even if Rudd replaces Gillard. The fact that Craig Thompson is on bail and on fraud charges will continue to cause Labor to haemorrhage even if Rudd replaces Gillard. The fact that Rudd massages the TV talk shows and tweets to his followers and does the gladhanding thing in shopping malls changes none of the above one iota.
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Post by caskur on Feb 7, 2013 12:32:53 GMT 10
Rudd isn't popular... he's a dipshit. I disagree on just one of those points Caskur ... He is popular.  lol... a popular dipshit? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 19:41:01 GMT 10
To be sure Abbott is a far greater dipshit than Rudd or Gillard, and despite the bullshit machinations of the Labor party right faction Labors policies surpasses the 20th century coalition.
Rudd is not popular with then factions that have backed Gillard who have proven to be corrupt, and certainly the faction power is not popular with the public....like it or not Labors fortunes rely on Rudd's popularity for the faction girl Gillard to win who will not be popular as she is tied to the Obeid and the factions.
The public are astute enough to know the key difference between Gillard and Rudd is faction power leader who has failed to win over the people and a strong leader not tied to te factions who can win over the people.
Hence while not a change in leadership Gillard needs Rudd out on the campaign trail.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 19:47:12 GMT 10
winning elections are a little like winning premierships. Sure, your champion full forward might be a total tosser, but if you want to win the silverware, you'll still put him in the team. Hell, you'll even make him captain, if it will make the difference between glory and also ran.
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 14, 2013 9:00:19 GMT 10
winning elections are a little like winning premierships. Sure, your champion full forward might be a total tosser, but if you want to win the silverware, you'll still put him in the team. Hell, you'll even make him captain, if it will make the difference between glory and also ran. normally that is true, but there might be exceptions to it. If they re-instal an individual like Rudd, as an act of sheer opportunistic populism,a last act of bastardry by rats to save the Titanic, (ok as an analogy theyre an insult to a great and beautiful ship) an individual they have rejected resoundingly twice as leader, an individual they have described as 'deranged'.. then of course it would say as much about them, as it does about Rudd. The relationship between Rudd and Partei is exceptionally toxic in this case.. the relationship between Rudd and the stupid voter c***s who for some reason THINK that they like him back, WOULD be equally toxic, except that they just dont know the little prick and Rudd only had to put it over the stupid c***s with his Matey Matey act on fkn Sunrise for 2 years. 6 months after he got back in, they would be screaming to be shod of Rudd. |
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2013 1:03:35 GMT 10
Everyone loves Kevin, he is their man and that bitch Gillard stabbed him and the Australian people in the back.
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Post by matt on Feb 15, 2013 1:05:51 GMT 10
The Obeid business will continue to cause Labor to haemorrhage even if Rudd replaces Gillard. The fact that Craig Thompson is on bail and on fraud charges will continue to cause Labor to haemorrhage even if Rudd replaces Gillard. The fact that Rudd massages the TV talk shows and tweets to his followers and does the gladhanding thing in shopping malls changes none of the above one iota. Yes it does, Kevin Rudd is loved. |
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Post by caskur on Feb 15, 2013 1:38:49 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 5:22:04 GMT 10
Israel wants Assad to remain in power because of the uncertainty of the rebels being fundy ratbags....hence there has been no western intervention.....yet the moral issue remains, and good on Kev Rudd for having the courage of making a stand on ethical grounds, after all Hillary Clinton and David Petraeus, former director of the CIA, supported the moral issue to provide lethal support to the Syrian opposition.
Yet for Israel's sake the carnage continues..to keep Assad in power.
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Post by caskur on Feb 15, 2013 5:27:21 GMT 10
moral issue... lol....
you want to overthrow a government... pay for it yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 5:39:13 GMT 10
Thats it keep supporting a mass killer.....thats shallow Cascurrie ...very shallow..
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Post by chequeredflaggg on Feb 15, 2013 6:31:50 GMT 10
the only thing wrong with her stabbing Rudd in the back,
is that unlike Brutus,
she wasnt disposed of a very short time later herself...
Apologies to Rome and the Brute for ,once more, an insulting comparison to the ALP and its nefarious personalities.
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What a fool you'ver made of yourself. Just like the prized arse clown below who believes someone who was a financial member of the ALP AND his wife's Campaign Director is "not Labor" Fqk me dead!! ;D Better tell ALP's membership dept he is not left wing. pmsl Or that a former Labor Advisor runs the IMF! These lefty clowns truly are tripping all over themselves to make a fool of themselves! Oh, the closer we get to the election, the more unravelled they will become. I wonder if we'll get a Britney Spears meltdown from one of them? 
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