More mussie madness

[garfield]

Mother and her seven children jailed for 15 years in Egypt after converting back to Christianity from Islam


Nadia Mohamed Ali and seven children jailed after converting to Christianity
Sentenced to 15 years in jail at a criminal court in Beni Suef, central Egypt
Seven others involved in the case sentenced to five years in jail


Nadia Mohamed Ali and her seven children have been jailed for 15 years in Egypt after converting back to Christianity from Islam
A mother and her seven children have been jailed for 15 years for converting back to Christianity from Islam in Egypt.
Nadia Mohamed Ali was raised a Christian but converted to Islam 23 years ago when she married Mohamed Abdel-Wahhab Mustafa.
Following his death, she planned to convert back to her original faith, along with the rest of her family.
But a criminal court in Beni Suef, in central Egypt, sentenced them to jail for 15 years last week, according to reports.
Seven other people, who were involved in the case, were also sentenced to five years in jail.
Human rights advocates have now warned the sentence is a sign of things to come in Egypt under the Islamist government, according to Fox News.
The conversion came to light after the family attempted to get new identity cards in 2004.
According to Sky News, one of her children was arrested two years later and confessed the documents had been changed illegally when police noticed he had changed his name and became suspicious.
Nadia, her children and the clerks who processed the identity cards were subsequently arrested and charged.
Christians in the country have said they face difficulties if they have converted to Islam and wish to switch back, leading some to forge the documents, which could land them in jail.
Samuel Tadros, a research fellow at Hudson Institute's Center for Religious Freedom, has said while similar conversions had been common, the new Sharia-based constitution in Egypt was 'a real disaster' for religious freedom, according to Fox News.
He said: 'The cases will increase in the future.

[garfield]

These are the people the left dearly love and want to import by the tens of thousands.

[Deleted]

Why do you make such broad and untrue assumptions about those on the Left......??...other than what we already know...that you are a poor deluded fool.

The consensus both Left and Right is that Islam is indeed steeped in medievalism, no doubt about that, the key difference is that the Left who are more optimistic than the pessimistic Right, can see that through dialouge and education problems with Islam can be solved in time because the majority of Muslims are not fundamentalist ratbags.

With the Right Wing Ruinators there is no division between the good and bad musso's, it's tar em all with the same brush, hysterical crying fear and loathing just as much as Nazi Germany had done with the Jewish faith people, by taking out the factor that these are people, through propaganda and fear achieved the notion that Jews were vermin, exactly what is happening now with the RW ruinator agenda.

[slartibartfast]

Just more stupidity due to religion.

[Deleted]

Garfy would make the ideal religious nut case.

[pim]

Jan 18, 2013 6:22:10 GMT 10 huntergibson said:

Garfy would make the ideal religious nut case.

Actually you've got a point there, HG. The frothing-at-the-mouth, fruitcake freak show, conspiracy theory obsessed, hilarious far right extremists on these discussion boards tend to channel the Tea Party in the US. At least that's where they get their "logic" from. Caskur, for example, posted on another thread a propaganda line about Obama's kids being protected by armed guards which is straight out of a paid advertisement in the US by the NRA which has been condemned by all but the most die-hard extremists.

The Tea Party ideology stands on three pillars: God, Guns and Tax-is-Evil. Garfield checks out on the "Guns-R-Us & Taxes Suck Big Time" bit. That leaves "God". Right now he's with the dreaded liberals and "lefties"on "God". Strewth, he even believes in evolution! It's unsustainable, given that he's so"Tea Party" on everything else.

Methinks "God" is the great undiscovered country for Garfield, and when he stumbles on "God" he'll outdo Matt in his fanaticism.

[garfield]

No worries its just a tiny minority of muslims that voted for this insane madness ... a minority of about 50 million that is.

[Deleted]

The consensus both Left and Right is that Islam is indeed steeped in medievalism, no doubt about that, the key difference is that the Left who are more optimistic than the pessimistic Right, can see that through dialouge and education problems with Islam can be solved in time because the majority of Muslims are not fundamentalist ratbags.

The consensus, if I may correct you Tonto, is that Islam and muslims must never be criticised! The consensus (by the left) is that anybody who says anything of a derogatory nature about muslims must be derided as "racist."

Personally I cannot recall the last time any leftie on this board actually criticised muslims in any way or form except you Tonto. I think you understand the problems of non-tolerant people coming here with their medieval outlook on everything from women's rights (ie non-rights) to their intolerance of any other religion except Islam.

However blaming everything on the extremists is just a cop out because as we all know only too well, the extremists are the ones who control the rest of them - I know you usually refer to them as the "moderates." But please remember the chilling words of the muslim jihad bombers in London ... behind closed doors there is no such thing as a moderate muslim! So it follows that those who are the leaders of this "religion" - more likely a cult than anything else, are the extremists, the "scholars" of Islam, the clerics, the sheikhs and imams. Got any examples of how the "moderates" here are challenging the status quo?

Once again, you have closed your ears and eyes to the truth and are whistling in the wind.

[garfield]

Its quite simple really, the Saudis have the right idea, NO CHRISTIANS, they need to stay over there and we need to stay here and there won't be any problems, and as an added bonus our unemployment and disability support rates will drop substantially.

[Deleted]

Not to mention a massive reduction in the crime statistics and prison population.

Oh, and can you imagine it? No more daily shootings in south west Sydney!!

[Deleted]

And think of the savings we'd make not having to fund their religious schools where they teach the youngsters all the wonders and rewards of jihad and other fundamental requirements.

[pim]

So ... lemme get this straight: you're both going to vote for the Liberal candidate in your respective electorates because you think that somehow Labor = Muslim immigration and Liberal = stop Muslim immigration.

Is that it? Have I got it straight? Right!

OK! Carry on! Hope you don't feel too betrayed ...

[garfield]

Muslim immigration was substantially reduced under the Howard government through stopping the boat rorters and sourcing reffos locally.

[geopol]

Muslim immigration was enhanced greatly under the Liberals led by M. Fraser......So what? Much, if not all of the voilence connected with Muslims, south sea islanders etc is criminal rather than political or religious and while that is not to be welcomed, I think we should remember that there is a lot of criminal activity carrried out by bronzed bogans too before we get beside ourselves with fury...A lot of shit goes on in the smal town where I live and none of it has to do with muslims!

[pim]

So you're saying that Muslim immigration during the Howard years was mostly made up of boat people, and that stopping the boats = stopping Muslim immigration??

Uh huh! OK, got it ... I think!!

Gee it sounds like you're really going to cast a court jester's vote this year Garfield!!

[Deleted]

The rise of Islamic fundamentalism is in a large degree the mullah's preaching kill the infidel, and this has happened because of the different sects there is not defined leaders who preach moderation and peace.

Islam needs reformation and it's leaders need to change their ideology on Islam, thus stopping the Muslim people for the most killing one another, which then makes for refugees fleeing violence and risking their lives on leaky boats to get to safe nations.

Here in Australia such mullahs are exposed and dealt with as criminals, while there is a ratbag element in western society who wish to create harm, are dobbed in by Muslim people, recognising that they do not want a society and leadership from which the have fled from.

While still those who refuse to take the blinkers off with climate change, all but teh blind can see that cataclysmic events will become more common and in that circumstance Australian's themselves may find the need to seek refuge from starvation as crops fail....Compassion and empathy for others less fortunate be they muslim, christian or of any faith because one day Australians may seek to be refugee's and ask other nations to help....how would they respond to a people and nation that turned its back on others in need and treated them with cold hearts.

Not too well...be assured of that.

[caskur]

Jan 18, 2013 5:30:55 GMT 10 @garfield said:

These are the people the left dearly love and want to import by the tens of thousands.

Yeah... the same people in a uproar changing their President and the new one claiming he would protect all religious minorities including Christians...

what a farce Islam is.

[caskur]

Jan 18, 2013 9:48:13 GMT 10 @garfield said:

Its quite simple really, the Saudis have the right idea, NO CHRISTIANS, they need to stay over there and we need to stay here and there won't be any problems, and as an added bonus our unemployment and disability support rates will drop substantially.

do you like how the Saudis go to Bangladesh, buy little 3 yr old children from impoverished parents and take them back to Saudi, rape them and force them to ride in camel races?

Do you like that part?

[Deleted]

THERE ARE MUSLIMS HIDING UNDER STELLARS BED !!!

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2013 9:26:52 GMT 10 Stellar said:

However blaming everything on the extremists is just a cop out because as we all know only too well, the extremists are the ones who control the rest of them - I know you usually refer to them as the "moderates." But please remember the chilling words of the muslim jihad bombers in London ... behind closed doors there is no such thing as a moderate muslim! So it follows that those who are the leaders of this "religion" - more likely a cult than anything else, are the extremists, the "scholars" of Islam, the clerics, the sheikhs and imams. Got any examples of how the "moderates" here are challenging the status quo?

Once again, you have closed your ears and eyes to the truth and are whistling in the wind.

PARANOIA !!!!

and think about it kiddies, this person tells us that she is a mental health worker.
Would you trust her to care for your vulnerable relative, if you or they were a Muslim, or an Islander, Aboriginal,Indian et al ?

Nup, neither would I
so, just what sort of "professional" is she ?

Put it this way, some people become mental health care nurses out of an altruism that means they genuinely want to help people.
Others, like Stellar, because they are pathetic creatures who want to yield power, and the only way they can do that is to yield it over our most vulnerable members of our society.

[caskur]

I'm sure Stellar would behave as the professional she is... with common decency. She patiently shows it here repeatedly...

put me in charge of them and I'd permanently poke them them with a cattle prod, just for fun.

[Salem]

If she was raised Christian, I wonder which country she was raised in? And why she didn't know how very serious an offence it is in Islam if you convert to Christianity? Why didn't she hold off converting until she moved back to her home country where she was safe to convert?

[pim]

Egypt is quite a heavily populated country for a country that's only made possible because of a river that flows through largely desert terrain. There's a bit over 80 million Egyptians, of whom 10% are Christian. That's "Coptic" Christian which is the version of Christianity that predates Islam. They are "monophysite" Christians and therefore believe Christ has only one nature whereas Western Christianity believes Christ is "The Word made Flesh" and has two natures: he is "true God and true Man". These days these sorts of debates are really so esoteric as to be a bit like "how many angels can dance on a pinhead?" But in the pre-Islamic Byzantine days when Christian Egypt was ruled from Constantinople, to be a "monophysite" meant that you were a heretic and that meant fire and sword and mayhem, and rivers of blood. The fact that there are pockets of monophysite christianity within the Islamic middle east means that they are relics from a much more ancient past who in fact were rescued by the coming of Islam. Ironic, given the sectarian troubles of today. There was a time when these Christian communities, if they didn't embrace Islam, were prepared to pay the tax as "dhimmi" and to remain true to their version of Christianity. The worst thing that could happen to them, back then, was if the "Greeks" (i.e. the Byzantines) came back, or if they fell into the hands of the Crusaders. They much preferred the Muslims.

So if this lady had been an Egyptian Christian it's more likely that her background was Coptic Christianity. Religious Ceremonies among the Copts are conducted in the Coptic language, which is in fact the language of the Egypt of the Pharoahs. So it's extremely ancient. Anyway it isn't a matter of her going back to her own country. She is in her own country. There was a time when the large Coptic community in Egypt was protected by the Muslim culture. Sadly, in these sectarian and polarised times, this sort of enlightenment seems to have vanished and it seems to be becoming like Spain in the days of the Reconquista when, after the final defeat of the Moors with the fall of Granada, Muslims and Jews were forcibly converted to Christianity or expelled.

[caskur]

Jan 18, 2013 19:06:17 GMT 10 Salem said:

If she was raised Christian, I wonder which country she was raised in? And why she didn't know how very serious an offence it is in Islam if you convert to Christianity? Why didn't she hold off converting until she moved back to her home country where she was safe to convert?

serious offense? bah.....

they lock pacifists up while they run around raping and murdering on the outside.

Anyway... there are no bills in prison and I'm sure they'll convert the Muzzies in the jail to Christianity... which maybe is their motive for going to prison in the first place. Either way, it just proves that Egypt is now as loony as the rest of the whackos.

[Deleted]

Jan 18, 2013 18:27:32 GMT 10 caskur said:

I'm sure Stellar would behave as the professional she is... with common decency. She patiently shows it here repeatedly...

put me in charge of them and I'd permanently poke them them with a cattle prod, just for fun.

Thanks Cas ... you know me so well!!

Actually we all feel frustrated with the behaviour of inmates at times. But the actual truth is, the worst physical and mental abuse occasioning injury that I have ever witnessed has been by Indian and African staff who seem to be on very short fuses. Asians generally are quite amiable and don't lose their tempers anywhere near as readily.