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Post by tam on Jan 13, 2013 11:56:12 GMT 10
Paul and Anne Ehrlich's paper provides a comprehensive description of the damaging effects of escalating climate disruption, overpopulation, overconsumption, pole-to-pole distribution of dangerous toxic chemicals, poor technology choices, depletion of resources including water, soils, and biodiversity essential to food production, and other problems currently threatening global environment and society. The problems are not separate, but are complex, interact, and feed on each other. phys.org/news/2013-01-collaps...ation.html#jCp HRH The Prince of Wales has reacted to the paper, agreeing, "We do, in fact, have all the tools, assets and knowledge to avoid the collapse of which this report warns, but only if we act decisively now. - We have to see ourselves as utterly embedded in Nature and not somehow separate from those precious systems that sustain all life. I have said it before, and I will say it again – our grandchildren's future depends entirely on whether we seize the initiative and prevaricate no further." phys.org/news/2013-01-collaps...ation.html#jCprspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1754/20122845.fullSome very good points here. |
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Post by garfield on Jan 14, 2013 21:39:03 GMT 10
LOL ;D , but yeah No, we are a part of nature and nature never stays the same for long ... were f#cked ;D
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Post by garfield on Jan 14, 2013 22:04:19 GMT 10
humans are a scourge - just look at some of the f***ing scum in here LOL I don't they're that bad are they?, I mean compared to whats out on the street.  |
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Post by bender on Jan 14, 2013 22:04:52 GMT 10
I remember reading years ago about the average length of time that any particular civilisation could expect to reign before it was replaced by another distinct form of civilisation.
It was depressingly low, it gives an average life span of 300 years, of course some last longer but over about 10,000 years of civilisation that's evidenced around the world 300 is the average.
The thing to remember though is civilisation has never just fallen apart, it has simply been replaced by another form that are, just like their predecessor bound by certain rules and restrictions. The human being of 1400 CE is no different from the human being of 2013 but the human of 1400 would look at this civilisation in a state of disbelieving shock. Who could back then imagine that only a little more then a dozen generations down the line a world like this existed
Homo Sapiens and his tribal structures have another thing up their sleeve. They've always marched forward, indeed we've reached a stage now where we can confidently state that we can successfully ride out any natural disaster short of a sun going supernova on us.
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Post by garfield on Jan 14, 2013 22:05:31 GMT 10
But yeah, a volcano, war, disease ... humanity is a real fine balancing act  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 8:16:09 GMT 10
Can a collapse of global civilization be avoided?
Not while we're overpopulating the planet to the extent of a pestilence of people!
Population overload ... an undesirable condition where an organism's numbers exceed the carrying capacity of its habitat.
Mother Nature and Mankind are suffering a communicative breakdown. But don't worry, Mother Nature will solve this pestilence in her own way and it won't be pretty!
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Post by geopol on Jan 15, 2013 8:20:10 GMT 10
Will it be as pretty as you are? Just how much punishment can we take?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 8:36:26 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 8:43:12 GMT 10
I can remember Paul Ehrlich from 1968, when I read a book of his predicting that the world would collapse in a giant famine in 1974. Really scary stuff.
Nothing much happened in 1974, and Paul Ehrlich has now found himself a new catastrophe to worry about (and probably profit from.)
Some other catastrophists should be looked at sceptically, like Al Gore and Tim Flannery.
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Post by geopol on Jan 15, 2013 8:54:25 GMT 10
There are some catastrophies on this board...catastrophe is everywhere nad anywhere if you have the inclination to find it....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 8:58:20 GMT 10
My favourite catastrophe is the asteroid which is about to hit Earth. That's been going for a long time.
But no catastrophe can top Orson Wells' radio broadcast of The War of the World.
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Post by geopol on Jan 15, 2013 9:00:54 GMT 10
Do you think people were much more gullible in the days of Orson Wells?
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Post by jody on Jan 15, 2013 9:03:48 GMT 10
Watch a program called Doomsday Preppers and you will see just how gullible people are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 9:04:04 GMT 10
Mankind has the ability to solve problems, and hence why humans have marched forward, those civilisations such as the Easter Islanders that relied on sky gods to solve their environmental problems have died out, those that relied on human resource and wit survived.
Given that it is conservatism and the love of freemarketeerism that is environmentally killing the planet of human sustainable life the problem as such is still these people who think sky gods of the golden calf will be their savior and everything will be honky dory so keep on worshiping the mighty $DoAllah$, so what to do with these diploid humans.??..mankind through intelligence and science will have the capacity to recognise via DNA those conservative type peoploids and either by drowning at birth or manipulation in the womb or via a test tube will rid the planet of this scourge and destructive disease.
And the green and blue world a happier place to live...for young and old.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 9:08:12 GMT 10
No, Geo, human nature never changes.
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Post by geopol on Jan 15, 2013 9:12:58 GMT 10
Surely contemporary Australains, bronzed, athletic, stoic and laconic battlers etc, are about as far from gullible as it would be possible to be?
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Post by sonex on Jan 15, 2013 9:31:22 GMT 10
Excerpt: "So what is a hot, crowded, and hungry world to do? That's the question von Braun and his colleagues at the Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research are wrestling with right now. This is the group of world-renowned agricultural research centers that helped more than double the world's average yields of corn, rice, and wheat between the mid-1950s and the mid-1990s, an achievement so staggering it was dubbed the green revolution. Yet with world population spiraling toward nine billion by mid-century, these experts now say we need a repeat performance, doubling current food production by 2030. In other words, we need another green revolution. And we need it in half the time. " ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2009/06/cheap-food/bourne-text |
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Post by caskur on Jan 15, 2013 16:52:37 GMT 10
Paul and Anne Ehrlich's paper provides a comprehensive description of the damaging effects of escalating climate disruption, overpopulation, overconsumption, pole-to-pole distribution of dangerous toxic chemicals, poor technology choices, depletion of resources including water, soils, and biodiversity essential to food production, and other problems currently threatening global environment and society. The problems are not separate, but are complex, interact, and feed on each other. phys.org/news/2013-01-collaps...ation.html#jCp HRH The Prince of Wales has reacted to the paper, agreeing, "We do, in fact, have all the tools, assets and knowledge to avoid the collapse of which this report warns, but only if we act decisively now. - We have to see ourselves as utterly embedded in Nature and not somehow separate from those precious systems that sustain all life. I have said it before, and I will say it again – our grandchildren's future depends entirely on whether we seize the initiative and prevaricate no further." phys.org/news/2013-01-collaps...ation.html#jCprspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1754/20122845.fullSome very good points here. He preaches to the converted... 99% of the rest of the world struggle to survive daily... some care but the problem is too huge for them to personally do anything about it! . |
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