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Post by Stellar on Jan 20, 2022 5:14:51 GMT 10
They are supposed to claim asylum in the first safe country they enter. But that doesn't suit them because they might, if found to be genuine refugees, sent to some other place. However being country shoppers and economic migrants, they don't want to take that risk of being sent elsewhere. They've decided on Australia for economic reasons and as far as they are concerned, beggars CAN be choosers .... ie they're not genuine.
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Post by Stellar on Jan 20, 2022 5:33:01 GMT 10
Meanwhile, all the other brilliant (and nice!) players are being overshadowed by this gronk! I wish the media would shut up about it now. This is the whole point. On Saturday, Rafael Nadal admitted that he’s tired of hearing about Djokovic and this saga regarding his vaccination status. "He knew the conditions ahead of the Australian Open. He made his own decisions, and everybody is free to take their own decisions, but then there are some consequences." Nadal then said the Australian Open will be a great tournament regardless if Djokovic plays or not. “The Australian Open is much more important than any player,” Nadal added, via ESPN. “If he’s playing, finally, OK. If he’s not playing, the Australian Open will be a great Australian Open, with or without him. That’s my point of view.” Absolutely. The only people still going on about it are those who are trying to make political capital out of it.
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Post by nataliesalat on Jan 20, 2022 12:59:47 GMT 10
ponto* As I have told you many times, there is no such thing as "seeking asylum" in Australian law. Section 15 of the Migration Act makes it unlawful to enter Australia without authorisation, regardless of motive. People doing so are liable to arrest, detention and deportation, as is true in every country in the world. * Australia took in 13,100 refugees in 2019-20 (that is, before COVID stopped international travel). That number ought to be a lot higher, and I support Labor's policy to increase it to 27,000. But that number should not include those who have paid people-smugglers to bring them to Australia without authorisation. Australia should take in refugees based on priorities of need, not on the basis of who can afford to fly to Jakarta and pay people-smugglers. * The reason some of these people have been held in detention for long periods is that they have been found not to be refugees, but have refused, with your likes' encouragement, to accept this finding. They, like Djokovic, are free to leave Australia at any time. * As I can tell you from long experience, you will not change anyone's mind on this or any other subject by adopting this tone of belligerent self-righteousness. You lot have been campaigning on this issue for more than 20 years, yet you have completely failed to change the firm view of the Australian electorate that unauthorised immigration via people-smuggling should be unlawful.
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Post by caskur on Jan 20, 2022 19:24:42 GMT 10
Meanwhile, all the other brilliant (and nice!) players are being overshadowed by this gronk! I wish the media would shut up about it now. This is the whole point. On Saturday, Rafael Nadal admitted that he’s tired of hearing about Djokovic and this saga regarding his vaccination status. "He knew the conditions ahead of the Australian Open. He made his own decisions, and everybody is free to take their own decisions, but then there are some consequences." Nadal then said the Australian Open will be a great tournament regardless if Djokovic plays or not. “The Australian Open is much more important than any player,” Nadal added, via ESPN. “If he’s playing, finally, OK. If he’s not playing, the Australian Open will be a great Australian Open, with or without him. That’s my point of view.” Absolutely. The only people still going on about it are those who are trying to make political capital out of it. the news just reported Dork-o-vic is going to sue Australia $6,000,000. what a morally bankrupt piece of dog scat he is...
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Post by caskur on Jan 20, 2022 19:36:57 GMT 10
ponto* As I have told you many times, there is no such thing as "seeking asylum" in Australian law. Section 15 of the Migration Act makes it unlawful to enter Australia without authorisation, regardless of motive. People doing so are liable to arrest, detention and deportation, as is true in every country in the world. * Australia took in 13,100 refugees in 2019-20 (that is, before COVID stopped international travel). That number ought to be a lot higher, and I support Labor's policy to increase it to 27,000. But that number should not include those who have paid people-smugglers to bring them to Australia without authorisation. Australia should take in refugees based on priorities of need, not on the basis of who can afford to fly to Jakarta and pay people-smugglers. * The reason some of these people have been held in detention for long periods is that they have been found not to be refugees, but have refused, with your likes' encouragement, to accept this finding. They, like Djokovic, are free to leave Australia at any time. * As I can tell you from long experience, you will not change anyone's mind on this or any other subject by adopting this tone of belligerent self-righteousness. You lot have been campaigning on this issue for more than 20 years, yet you have completely failed to change the firm view of the Australian electorate that unauthorised immigration via people-smuggling should be unlawful. My married cousin with 5 children pays $800 a week to live in Fremantle WA.... Where are these 27,000 refugees per year going to live and who will foot their rent bill?.... let me guess... the poor Aussies that will have to share more of their meagre morsel pittance they're expected to survive on right now? Australia is full already.
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Post by ponto on Jan 21, 2022 8:02:54 GMT 10
As stated many times Australia is signatory to the UN convention on refugees which means people seeking asylum to ask for refugee status have that right and why they are not deported straightaway upon arrival, regardless of law, whether arriving by boat or plane they have the right are UNHCR conventions and agreements.
Their claim is determined by investigation, if not a reo's then they are deported...not before simple.
The people locked in the hotel for 9 year have had their claims investigated and it has been determined they are genuine refugees.
In which case Australia is under obligations to settle's them here or finds other places to settle...they are not which is the criticism as its for political reasons they are kept locked up.
Then accepting education and facts is not the primary thinking of the alt RW its the propaganda line is the path to follow.
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Post by nataliesalat on Jan 21, 2022 8:08:06 GMT 10
As stated many times, the convention, which is a convention not a law - the clue is in the name, by the way, does not override domestic legislation and doesn’t not actually say what you or Hanson-Young or anybody else says it does. Also calling anyone who dares to disagree with you fascists or alt right is a big Godwin.
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Post by Gort on Jan 21, 2022 11:26:42 GMT 10
As stated many times, the convention, which is a convention not a law - the clue is in the name, by the way, does not override domestic legislation and doesn’t not actually say what you or Hanson-Young or anybody else says it does. Also calling anyone who dares to disagree with you fascists or alt right is a big Godwin. Indeed. Reductio ad Hitlerum is rife in the Woke Left ranks.
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Post by Stellar on Jan 21, 2022 12:21:38 GMT 10
True enough! Sydney and Melbourne are full up! But that's where all these entitled asylum seekers and refugees demand to live. I am really sorry for those working poor who could be paying off a house but instead are paying such high rents they can never save for a deposit. And they can't get welfare housing either because they're not on welfare. These are the people who are footing the bill. Yet these are the people who are worse off financially than welfare recipients in public housing! And they can never get out of that rut. It must be so demoralising. And maybe it's time to put the brakes on some of those single mothers who go straight to the top of housing lists - along with the refugees and asylum seekers. God only knows how anyone else could ever get a place. They must have to wait for over 10 years. I'm pretty sure it's up to a 15 year wait here on the beaches.
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Post by nataliesalat on Jan 23, 2022 19:46:07 GMT 10
Although As stupid as Novak is, Emma Watson in this photograph might as well be saying to any passing male human that she won’t need clothes any more with how she is standing….
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