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Post by matte on Jan 11, 2022 21:08:16 GMT 10
According to Chris Smith, Australia is the laughing stock of the world!
All thanks to SCOTTY FROM MARKETING.
Australia the 'laughing stock of the world' after Djokovic immigration bungle
11 January 2022
SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA
Australia has become the "laughing stock of the world" after the extraordinary bungle over Novak Djokovic's visa, says Sky News host Chris Smith.
Mr Smith chastised the roles Tennis Australia, the Home Affairs department and federal health played in the bungle which "embarrassed this country no end".
"Their role in this requires deep scrutiny," Mr Smith said.
"They've managed to bungle a case, that was destined to cause friction from the start – they couldn't have been given more notice."
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Post by ponto on Jan 12, 2022 10:13:57 GMT 10
Of course the fascist RW see no wrong or evil in keeping people in detention for 10 years or more for seeking asylum and then given refugee status by the government and still keep them locked up.
People flee their countries for many reasons...persecution, gang violence, war or just economic migrants seeking a better life, to be sure than cannot be a easy decision to make of the wing and prayer they will be a better safe life elsewhere knowing that it may well be impossible to return when fleeing authoritarian governments.
Thing is these people because they arrived by boat and while considered legally refo's the government cruelly and evilly decides to keep them locked up for political gain to keep you fascist types happy vegemite's.
These people are in government care and are responsible for their health and education, Like the Bioela family and the little girl lost her teeth through health neglect.
The government when they do not want these people settling then the government should find elsewhere for these people, NZ said they would take them as are other countries are more accepting towards refugees, ...thing is the ScoMo government are not moving them on, being cruel as a deterrent is there operatus morandi....and you lot cheer them on.
Fascist unite.
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Post by matte on Jan 12, 2022 11:03:41 GMT 10
Well isn't it great Novak Djokovic came over to highlight their plight? If it wasn't for him, no one would have even known.
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Post by Stellar on Jan 12, 2022 11:56:08 GMT 10
People flee their countries for many reasons...persecution, gang violence, war or just economic migrants seeking a better life, ...... .... and bring those cultural traits like gang violence here with them. Yep they sure get a better life here running drugs and making a killing - literally. Have you seen the houses some of them live in? The cars they drive? These were not earnt by lawful endeavours. So it's not surprising so many of these scumbags are trying to get here. Just switch on the news every night to tune into the latest gangland killing on the streets of south west Sydney. I can guarantee all of them are Middle Easterners - and devout muslims. You might welcome those people considering you're nowhere near Sydney - but those of us who know better are happy to see the govt not back down where non genuine refugees are concerned.
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Post by matte on Jan 12, 2022 13:15:55 GMT 10
Novak Djokovic has released a statement via Instagram:
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Post by ponto on Jan 13, 2022 8:33:53 GMT 10
Its not illegal to claim asylum from policies that were made for refugees after WW2 and perhaps those policies need to change to suit the needs of today. Like it cannot be people cannot just up and leave and head for greener pastures for econ0mib reasons other wise there would be chaos.
But that isn't the issue, nor is ME crime gangs shootin' one another or Islander gangs stabbing one another...there is much social issues out there including the high prison rates for Aboriginal people, age care, inequality, it is these asylum seekers being locked up for 9 years were given refugee status where Australia is a signatory to UN policies on refo's.
NZ offered to take them yet the government said no because they want to use these people as an eg; deterrent to stop others from seeking asylum which is wrong....yet you guy's in your love of conservative hard line fascist authoritarianism fail to see that wrong.
And you can bet Djokovic while in Australia will not say anything about the refugees locked in a hotel he happened to spend a night in...to improve his image he may after he leaves talk on the refo's plight.
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Post by caskur on Jan 14, 2022 1:52:22 GMT 10
Its not illegal to claim asylum from policies that were made for refugees after WW2 and perhaps those policies need to change to suit the needs of today. Like it cannot be people cannot just up and leave and head for greener pastures for econ0mib reasons other wise there would be chaos. But that isn't the issue, nor is ME crime gangs shootin' one another or Islander gangs stabbing one another...there is much social issues out there including the high prison rates for Aboriginal people, age care, inequality, it is these asylum seekers being locked up for 9 years were given refugee status where Australia is a signatory to UN policies on refo's. NZ offered to take them yet the government said no because they want to use these people as an eg; deterrent to stop others from seeking asylum which is wrong....yet you guy's in your love of conservative hard line fascist authoritarianism fail to see that wrong. And you can bet Djokovic while in Australia will not say anything about the refugees locked in a hotel he happened to spend a night in...to improve his image he may after he leaves talk on the refo's plight. If NZ took them in and gave them citizenship, they would come through the front door and then disappear. They're not genuine refugees and they are not welcomed. As for that very ugly Serb... I hope he falls over and breaks a wrist.
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Post by Gort on Jan 14, 2022 17:11:45 GMT 10
Visa cancelled. Yay!!!!
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Post by caskur on Jan 14, 2022 17:55:30 GMT 10
Visa cancelled. Yay!!!! Just result. Very good.
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Post by matte on Jan 14, 2022 18:11:13 GMT 10
I don't agree with the decision.
No minister should be able to overturn a court decision.
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Post by bender on Jan 14, 2022 20:49:53 GMT 10
I think it's hilarious that he's in an immigration detention hotel with the hoi polloi and a judge actually thought it was "not unreasonable" to ask whether that particular hotel where he's staying might have available to him tennis practising facilities? Excuse me Stellar but my Center does indeed have a tennis court, and until a couple of years ago an international standard beach volleyball court. Sports and structured activities are very important in maintaining good order within a facility. Without commenting on Mr Djokovic's circumstances, I might point out that the Minister or their Delegate has very wide powers. Australia has seen Minister's use their power to release a couple of French Au Pairs from Detention and we've see Minister's use their power to detain people like Dr Haneef who might prove to be embarrassing in the midst of an election campaign. All they require is a reasonable suspicion (that they don't even need to articulate, just saying that they have a reasonable suspicion is enough) and a Minister or their Delegate can do pretty much whatever they want. There are a number of people who remain in Detention despite the Courts ordering them freed because the Minister doesn't believe it's in the public interest to release them. Suck on that Justice. In relation to exemptions from Quarantine or entry requirements we've also seen Governments both State and Federal grant exemptions to celebrities, media barons and political donors. I think Mr Djokovic is probably justified at feeling picked on. Without delving into the aspects of the case as to when or if he actually did test positive one thing is beyond doubt. He was granted a Visa on the information provided. Whilst he was in the air (between Doha and Australia) on the 5th of January the Federal Government changed the criteria and requirements for entry so when he landed on January 6th the rules were different and he was now in contravention of them. There was really no reason for Mr Djokovic to be accommodated at a Facility. The Minister has the power to declare any place an "Alternative Place of Detention) in order for a person to be held there. He could have simply declared Mr Djokovic's hotel room as an APOD. People are held in such fashion routinely and I don't think Mr Djokovic could be described as a flight risk. I can't really imagine him touring regional tennis centres asking to be paid prize money under the table and he is kind of expected at future events that require him to leave Australia. Similarly I can't imagine why it has taken a week for the Minister to decide to cancel Mr Djokovic's Visa again. Now it appears likely that Mr Djokovic's Visa will be cancelled due to information developed over the last week the question remains that based on the knowledge held and accepted by the Authorities last week is it fair to have treated this individual in this way? The other side of that is that if information becomes known about a Visa Holder currently in Australia that contradicts information they have previously provided to the Authorities in support of a Visa Application is it fair for the Authorities to then cancel that Visa and remove that person from Australia? And if it is fair and reasonable to do that, is it a justifiable position for a Minister to have personal discretion in how the law is applied?
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Post by ponto on Jan 15, 2022 6:07:43 GMT 10
Bottom line is the government fucked up again, now the response is to override the courts and go the authoritarian path just as the government overides law of the refugees held in detention.
And yet when Christo fascist evangelicals break the law its all OK...such is the times when governments are increasingly becoming authoritarian...democracy goes down the plug hole.
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Post by ponto on Jan 15, 2022 8:12:23 GMT 10
Obviously there something seriously wrong with the Morrison government that reacts after the fact rather than premept something that may happen.
Djokovic is a known anti vaxxer and the government couldn't be bothered to check his visa application, the idea being just let it happen and see how the public responds.
As Morrison had done with the catastrophic 2020 bush fires when warned by retired fire experts who research up coming weather forecast that was going to be hot and dry and disaster was in the making, what did Morrison do, he ignored the advice didn't make any preparations to get fire fighting aircraft or equipment for the firies saying the old experts knew nothing and he listen's to his own experts and then he went on holidays to Hawaii and lied about that....bumbling incompetent nincompoops.
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Post by Stellar on Jan 15, 2022 8:45:52 GMT 10
Where the Immigration Minister is concerned it's a case of he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
You'd be screaming he stuffed up if he let Djokovic stay. Just like you're screaming about him not letting him stay. The problem with the woke left is an old one - empty vessels making the most noise.
Lisa Wilkinson is a prime example ... one minute she's infuriated about Djokovic arriving unvaccinated -
'I think everyone knows someone who's really suffered through Covid, if not many, many, many people,' Wilkinson said on Wednesday.
'We know people who've lost loved ones, who weren't there to say goodbye to them.
And in the end, people are just sick of superstars being given special treatment.
But once the govt cancels Djokovic's visa she does an about face.
Instead of being pleased that his visa is now cancelled, she goes after the govt in typical fashion ... it's all political!! And the timing's political (without any concern about the legal aspects that had to be sorted out) on and on, ad infinitum.
You can never please the woke left and they don't come any more "woke" than Lisa Wilkinson. So no wonder The Project has suffered a huge decline in their viewing audience - down by a third and still declining.
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Post by Stellar on Jan 15, 2022 9:06:26 GMT 10
I think it's hilarious that he's in an immigration detention hotel with the hoi polloi and a judge actually thought it was "not unreasonable" to ask whether that particular hotel where he's staying might have available to him tennis practising facilities? Excuse me Stellar but my Center does indeed have a tennis court, and until a couple of years ago an international standard beach volleyball court. Sports and structured activities are very important in maintaining good order within a facility. Without commenting on Mr Djokovic's circumstances, I might point out that the Minister or their Delegate has very wide powers. Australia has seen Minister's use their power to release a couple of French Au Pairs from Detention and we've see Minister's use their power to detain people like Dr Haneef who might prove to be embarrassing in the midst of an election campaign. All they require is a reasonable suspicion (that they don't even need to articulate, just saying that they have a reasonable suspicion is enough) and a Minister or their Delegate can do pretty much whatever they want. There are a number of people who remain in Detention despite the Courts ordering them freed because the Minister doesn't believe it's in the public interest to release them. Suck on that Justice. In relation to exemptions from Quarantine or entry requirements we've also seen Governments both State and Federal grant exemptions to celebrities, media barons and political donors. I think Mr Djokovic is probably justified at feeling picked on. Without delving into the aspects of the case as to when or if he actually did test positive one thing is beyond doubt. He was granted a Visa on the information provided. Whilst he was in the air (between Doha and Australia) on the 5th of January the Federal Government changed the criteria and requirements for entry so when he landed on January 6th the rules were different and he was now in contravention of them. There was really no reason for Mr Djokovic to be accommodated at a Facility. The Minister has the power to declare any place an "Alternative Place of Detention) in order for a person to be held there. He could have simply declared Mr Djokovic's hotel room as an APOD. People are held in such fashion routinely and I don't think Mr Djokovic could be described as a flight risk. I can't really imagine him touring regional tennis centres asking to be paid prize money under the table and he is kind of expected at future events that require him to leave Australia. Similarly I can't imagine why it has taken a week for the Minister to decide to cancel Mr Djokovic's Visa again. Now it appears likely that Mr Djokovic's Visa will be cancelled due to information developed over the last week the question remains that based on the knowledge held and accepted by the Authorities last week is it fair to have treated this individual in this way? The other side of that is that if information becomes known about a Visa Holder currently in Australia that contradicts information they have previously provided to the Authorities in support of a Visa Application is it fair for the Authorities to then cancel that Visa and remove that person from Australia? And if it is fair and reasonable to do that, is it a justifiable position for a Minister to have personal discretion in how the law is applied? Yes, well the Park Hotel is not known for its sporting facilities. But how generous the govt must be to provide tennis courts and "international standard" beach volleyball courts at your "centre." Wherever that may be. And yes, it is "fair and reasonable and a justifiable position for a Minister to have personal discretion in how the law is applied." Because the govt makes the laws - the courts don't. However the judges put their own interpretation on the laws to suit their own political and personal judicial bias and this will always have an influence on the outcome of cases. Hence not always according to the intent of the law. And in those cases the govt should have the right to override the judge's decision.
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Post by Gort on Jan 16, 2022 17:29:02 GMT 10
He is OUT!!! (Unanimous decision.) Good job.
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Post by matte on Jan 16, 2022 17:44:36 GMT 10
This is such a disgraceful decision.
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Post by caskur on Jan 16, 2022 20:41:28 GMT 10
This is such a disgraceful decision. I think it's funny as fuck...lol Moral to story, lie on official documents and lose at your own peril.
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Post by Gort on Jan 16, 2022 22:25:08 GMT 10
Apart from the Serbians, it looks like the deportation was pretty popular:
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Post by Stellar on Jan 17, 2022 9:31:40 GMT 10
Basically the only ones supporting Djokovic were Serbian immigrants and anti-vaxxers. Plus a few idiot refugee activists who were using the situation for their own benefit.
News.com ran a poll the other day and the result was 88% in favour of Djokovic being deported.
And if you think the rest of the world cares, then you're sadly delusional. I checked in on the US board I'm a member of but only look in occasionally. This is a fairly big board and there was absolutely nothing about Djokovic - or the Australian Open. People overseas - unless they're tennis fans - don't really give a fig what happens down here. And even less about Djokovic.
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Post by caskur on Jan 17, 2022 9:39:38 GMT 10
Koshi is banging on and on and on, on Sunrise at the moment....lol
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Post by Stellar on Jan 17, 2022 10:10:28 GMT 10
What about? Personally I can't stand him - he's such a know-it-all. I thought he was going to be sacked years ago.
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Post by caskur on Jan 17, 2022 10:21:34 GMT 10
What about? Personally I can't stand him - he's such a know-it-all. I thought he was going to be sacked years ago. About the Serb being allowed into Australia in the 1st place. I don't mind koshi but then I don't see all that much of sunrise so I miss most of his comments.
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Post by Gort on Jan 17, 2022 10:27:59 GMT 10
Tennis Australia should have simply made it a tight rule .. no vax - no entry.
The Victorian "health panel" should not have given any exemptions.
Djokovic could have had a visa from previous visits as they can last for more than one year. So maybe he didn't actually get a new one this year.
He should have been bunged on the first plane out in the first place when Border Force cancelled his visa as happens in the vast majority of cases.
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Post by Stellar on Jan 17, 2022 10:46:09 GMT 10
I think they did have to factor in the medical exemption in their decision. I'd really like to know more about this exemption and how he got it. It all sounds so dodgy to me.
I agree - he should have been "bunged on the first plane out in the first place" but he opted to appeal to the court. Not sure really whether he actually had that right.
A full sitting of the Federal Court on a Sunday couldn't have come cheap. He now has to pay the costs. Surely it would have been much easier to just get the vaccine in the first place? But surely if you have an anti-vax stance you should be prepared to pay the price.
It will be interesting to see whether other countries demand vaccination when he tries to enter for their tournaments. Or whether they will also fall for his dodgy medical exemption.
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