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Post by jody on Jan 11, 2013 22:54:32 GMT 10
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 11, 2013 22:55:43 GMT 10
False. She was elected PM.
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Post by bender on Jan 11, 2013 23:35:04 GMT 10
It's not really particulary well thought out.
Didn't Tony state that he'd do anything but sell his arse to get the Independants to vote for him instead of Labor to form Government at the last election?
As health minister he made a campaign promise that was "rolled gold" only to then immediately renege on it following the election win. Further to that he's someone who has publicly declared that there is nothing wrong with lying to the press, not to mention admitting that if what he is saying isn't carefully prepared and scripted he is likely to get carried away and lie.
He may not have knifed a PM but he did finance and control the efforts to have Pauline Hanson disenfranchised and ultimately jailed but until it was shown conclusively that he was the driving force behind those acts he repeatedly denied having any involvement with them.
Tony Abbott may well have an economics degree but it's utility or lack thereof is evident in the fact that under his leadership the opposition were unable to provide their costings to the independant arbitor in the run up to the last election despite his repeated assurances that they would, and even now, is regarded as an economic illiterate.
In regards to Abbotts family values, it's worth noting that whilst at Uni Abbott believed (and continued to maintain that belief for another 20 years) that he had fathered a child with a girlfriend and immediately ended the relationship with her and further to that, made no attempt over the next 20 years to see if the son he believed he had fathered was doing okay let alone acknowledge his fatherhood.
Given Abbott's past history of violent or aggressive behaviour towards women I've no doubt he could probably beat Gillard to a pulp in about 30 seconds, there's a comparison they left out.
When it comes to achievements though? Gillard well and truly has the wood on Abbott. How many policy innovations did he drive through during his tenure in Government?
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 12, 2013 0:03:55 GMT 10
Shlapp!
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Post by sonex on Jan 12, 2013 7:31:24 GMT 10
"Jack of all trades, master of none"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 8:04:50 GMT 10
So apparently, according to the author of the above gif, the BER was a rort. I'm not sure, if you actually spoke to a teacher, that they would describe the BER as a rort, neither would the parents who send their children to State Schools. You know, those new Libraries, Science Labs, Music Rooms....
Oh wait, that's right, State School Children don't deserve all that. Just ask people like Stellar, they are, after all, the "Riff-Raff" and "Hoi-Poloi"
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Post by sonex on Jan 12, 2013 8:23:41 GMT 10
The "no children" comment is so stupid, since when has being a mother a requisite to holding the job of Prime Minister.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 12, 2013 8:28:49 GMT 10
Shows the desparation of the right-winged fools, sonex.
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Post by garfield on Jan 12, 2013 8:39:33 GMT 10
It's not really particulary well thought out. Didn't Tony state that he'd do anything but sell his arse to get the Independants to vote for him instead of Labor to form Government at the last election? As health minister he made a campaign promise that was "rolled gold" only to then immediately renege on it following the election win. Further to that he's someone who has publicly declared that there is nothing wrong with lying to the press, not to mention admitting that if what he is saying isn't carefully prepared and scripted he is likely to get carried away and lie. He may not have knifed a PM but he did finance and control the efforts to have Pauline Hanson disenfranchised and ultimately jailed but until it was shown conclusively that he was the driving force behind those acts he repeatedly denied having any involvement with them. Tony Abbott may well have an economics degree but it's utility or lack thereof is evident in the fact that under his leadership the opposition were unable to provide their costings to the independant arbitor in the run up to the last election despite his repeated assurances that they would, and even now, is regarded as an economic illiterate. In regards to Abbotts family values, it's worth noting that whilst at Uni Abbott believed (and continued to maintain that belief for another 20 years) that he had fathered a child with a girlfriend and immediately ended the relationship with her and further to that, made no attempt over the next 20 years to see if the son he believed he had fathered was doing okay let alone acknowledge his fatherhood. Given Abbott's past history of violent or aggressive behaviour towards women I've no doubt he could probably beat Gillard to a pulp in about 30 seconds, there's a comparison they left out. When it comes to achievements though? Gillard well and truly has the wood on Abbott. How many policy innovations did he drive through during his tenure in Government? All just disgraceful labor lies and propaganda of course, but thats the way they do business
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 12, 2013 8:43:00 GMT 10
Which part of what bender said isn't true?
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Post by jody on Jan 12, 2013 8:44:05 GMT 10
I'll just add that I am not a fan of either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 8:50:06 GMT 10
Oh and when did you actually speak to a teacher Richo?? You know nothing about it, not being a parent (thank God). Just where are these new libraries, science labs and music rooms (no need for capitals) that you reckon were supplied by the BER? Most schools had NO SAY in what they got. My son's old school had been trying for over 20 years to have the antiquated toilets replaced - toilets that were as old as the school, i.e. 90 years! They were so bad and spooky, the kids wouldn't use them and "hung on" till they got home. So what did they get ... another hall. Mind you, they already had a hall which was fine for its purposes seeing as student numbers have been in decline for quite a while. I voted in that new hall last council elections and it was very basic. Another school around here would have loved a library. They got a covered outdoor area. You know the ones ... $2 million structures representing four posts and a roof!! F***ing $2 million dollars worth. An outrageous waste of taxpayer funds! The school principals should have been given their allocation and it should have been up to the school to decide what they needed. They should have been able to get the best quote from tradesmen in their area. But no, they got what the Labor govt decided ... and of course it was all carried out by rorting Labor unionists.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 12, 2013 8:50:59 GMT 10
Our school is fantastic thanks to the scheme. And I have three kids.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 9:58:40 GMT 10
Now why wouldn't I expect you to say anything less?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 10:28:35 GMT 10
] Oh and when did you actually speak to a teacher Richo?? You know nothing about it, not being a parent (thank God). Well considering that I have relatives who are teachers, and quite senior ones at that, very recently as a matter of fact So we can take it that you've never been past a school recently then Yep, and for most of those (sic) 20 Years, who was the Government ? Yep, the Howard Government I'm sure that the parents of the pupils, the pupils themselves, and their teachers, consider that the "Hall" was basic. Not
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Post by geopol on Jan 12, 2013 11:14:58 GMT 10
She is simply a brainless bogan and probably an ageing bimbo to boot!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 11:39:02 GMT 10
Are you trying to be smart there?? Let me remind you Richo that education in Australia is primarily the responsibility of the states and territories. I am sure the Federal govt does not concern itself with antiquated toilets!!
Now as to who the govt was in those 20 years? ... surprise, the State Labor govt!
So your assertion that "Yep, the Howard Government" is a massive FAIL.
Better get back to those relatives of yours Richo, they're giving you a bum steer.
You're "sure" ?? And what do you base your "assuredness" on? ... your intuition, lol. You see you keep making all these ridiculous assertions. What the f*** would you know about this neck of the woods??
Now I have neighbours and rellies whose children attend that school and they are NOT happy with the basic school hall.
But they did get their new toilet block ... courtesy of the LIBERAL State govt that trashed that wretched Labor govt last election!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 12:00:58 GMT 10
Are you trying to be smart there?? Let me remind you Richo that education in Australia is primarily the responsibility of the states and territories. I am sure the Federal govt does not concern itself with antiquated toilets!! Now as to who the govt was in those 20 years? ... surprise, the State Labor govt! So, following your logic the BER was a state responsibly. So, which is it Stellar ? Funding for education went backwards under Howard, as did funding for health, and so on You mean those relatives that are senior teachers and principles ? You know senior administrators, positions that gives them something you'll never have, that's actual expertise. That would be your constant exaggerations, actually. So, it's another one of your "Neighbors cousins Mother-In-Laws.." tales again You have an unnatural obsession with Toilets Stellar, I guess it goes hand in hand with your anal retentive nature. Well, it did. you only have to look at the ABS data to realize that. It was called applying Keynsian theory. The Government is not to blame for the bad business practices for of private companies another typical, shallow response from this boards bogan broad when her assertions are shown to be baseless. She, cuts and runs
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 20:30:47 GMT 10
Why is that Jody here claims she is unbiased and impartial to politics in her contributions yet always post something under the banner of hum our that denigrates Julia Gillard.....a dark horse she is.
Stellar the BER scheme was built of different levels of funding, not just to public schools which had a fairly minimal amount of complaints, also funding to private schools that had no complaints.
Funding went not only to primary schools but also to high schools and TAFE for building on science programs and academic programs.
Whinging and negativity from the RW demographic has made you wrongly think the scheme was a disaster..most biased the scheme was successful in many ways, then you also think the economy is in a mess, and the insulation scheme a disaster yet that scheme over 10 years will reduce Australia's carbon emissions by 30 mill tonnes, significant stuff, yet its all negativity from you guys and fail to see the bad points about Conservative politics and Howard's proliferating spending economy....spend big on nothing but pork barrelling the electorate.
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Post by caskur on Jan 13, 2013 4:32:38 GMT 10
Quite good except Abbott's poster side failed to say Abbott organized and admitted to having a slush fund to torte Pauline Hanson who was later jailed 3 yrs hard labour... and his " emotion-charged debate over who should control the abortion drug RU486." Sorry, but while he has a great record with community service, his religious nut case views are as welcomed as Haemorrhoids. He won't be able to make that up to women with long memories.
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