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Post by matte on Jun 2, 2021 18:46:08 GMT 10
Except for some people.
Health advice for footy match shows 'how nuts' politicians and bureaucrats have become
2 JUNE 2021
SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA
Sky News host Chris Kenny says Collingwood Football Club can fly to South Australia to play a footy match but in Victoria, families are kept apart, funerals and weddings are thrown into chaos, and casual workers are stuck without pay.
"So, while families are kept apart, funerals and weddings have been thrown into chaos, and casual workers in Melbourne are stuck without pay, Collingwood has been given an exemption to fly into Adelaide for Saturday's game," he said.
Mr Kenny said the South Australian government's Chief Health Officer Professor Nicola Spurrier, gave advice for the game which demonstrated "how nuts these politicians and bureaucrats have become".
Ms Spurrier said spectators at Adelaide oval must "duck" and "not touch that ball" if the ball lands in the crowd.
"Better still, when they toss the ball back onto the oval - warn the Collingwood players not to touch it," Mr Kenny said.
"As I keep saying; this country, I don't recognise it anymore. This is not the Australia I know."
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Post by matte on Jun 2, 2021 20:16:09 GMT 10
Being the Guardian, perhaps people like Pim will accept reality? This journalist will likely be ripped into on Twitter for publishing this truth, because she isn't supporting the Daniel Andrews government (although, he is absent). Experts dispute Victoria claim that Kappa variant is more infectious than previous Covid outbreaksPhysicians say state government has jumped gun in stating Kappa is spreading faster, with evidence suggesting ‘there’s nothing different’By Melissa Davey 2 JUNE 2021 THE GUARDIAN AUSTRALIA Infectious diseases experts say the Victorian government should not be using alarming language to describe the Kappa variant – responsible for the state’s current Covid outbreak – after officials claimed it was spreading “faster” and through “fleeting” or “low contact” between strangers. The acting Victorian premier, James Merlino, said on Tuesday “at least one in 10 current cases have caught this virus from a stranger”. He said the virus was being spread through “people brushing against each other in a small shop, getting a take-away coffee from the same cafe, being in the same place, at the same time, for mere moments”. The Victorian Covid commander, Jeroen Weimar, said: “People unknown to each other before have transmitted to each other. That is very different from what we have seen before. It is certainly the fastest-moving outbreak we’ve seen anywhere in Australia for a long time.” ‘No different’ to previous outbreaksBut an infectious diseases physician at St Vincent’s hospital in Sydney, Prof Greg Dore, who is running a study looking at long-haul Covid patients, said the Kappa variant was acting “the same as we’ve seen before” with other variants in Australia. “There just isn’t any strong evidence this variant is more efficiently transmitted than previous variants,” said Dore, who is also a clinical researcher with the Kirby Institute. “There have been examples in previous outbreaks where a very short duration of exposure has then led to infections, such as the Berala BWS cluster in New South Wales, where people going to a bottle shop for a short period of time were becoming infected through what was almost certainly aerosol transmission. There’s nothing different in terms of how this virus is being transmitted in Melbourne right now.” FULL STORY: www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/02/experts-dispute-victoria-claim-that-kappa-variant-is-more-infectious-than-previous-covid-outbreaks
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Post by matte on Jun 2, 2021 21:26:29 GMT 10
The Andrews government is evil!
Victoria has become become a 'frightened state' under an 'authoritarian government'
2 JUNE 2021
SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA
Sky News host Chris Kenny says it is "simply incredible" the Victorian government is still imposing lockdowns when it's been 18 months into the pandemic, many people are vaccinated and few are infected or actually ill.
"What massive harm the Victorian government and health bureaucracy is doing to the citizens of Victoria," Mr Kenny said.
"This is like tackling the road toll by reducing the speed limit to zero.
"It is simply incredible that the Victorian government is doing this 18 months into the pandemic, with so many people vaccinated, so few people infected and virtually nobody actually sick."
Mr Kenny said it is impossible to "recognise our country now" seeing Victoria become a "frightened" state under an "authoritarian" government.
"Look, as I said last week when this same government refused exemptions for a little boy's funeral in Warrnambool, it is impossible to recognise our country today.
"This is a frightened state, an authoritarian government, a nanny state mentality, and an unsustainable dream of thinking this disease ... is the one disease we must fear above all others."
Mr Kenny also said Canberra should "do nothing to support" the state government's request to have Jobkeeper reinstated "to pay for the lockdowns" they imposed on Victorians.
"Given the federal government has loosened its purse strings to an unprecedented level already... it will have a hard time holding the line against sending more money and thereby funding Victoria's self-harm.
"Canberra should be doing nothing to encourage this sort of panicked governance."
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Post by matte on Jun 2, 2021 22:06:08 GMT 10
Loving Sky News after dark tonight:
Canberra needs to tell the Victorian state government 'enough is enough': Alan Jones
2 JUNE 2021
SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA
Sky News host Alan Jones says "left-wing experts" have "duped our national government" as a number of leading epidemiologists say there is no epidemiological necessity for a "lockdown strategy".
"Why then is this lockdown strategy tolerated by the Morrison Government?," Mr Jones said.
"Can we abandon the dishonesty from Government that we listen to the experts, because we don't.
"Are we prepared to accept an economic cost of lockdowns of over $100 million a day, a hit to the national economy which could be anything up to $9 billion, Are we prepared to accept this?
"The silence of the Morrison Government suggests we are.
"Why doesn't the Prime Minister say, in the Parliament, to the nation, address the nation, that we are sick and tired of the failures of the Victorian Government.
"We are sick and tired of Andrews and his sycophantic mob failing to apologise for the damage they have done.
"When is someone in Canberra, anyone at all, going to say to the Victorian Government - and that's using the word government very loosely - enough is enough."
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Post by caskur on Jun 2, 2021 22:10:11 GMT 10
I'll send all the lib voters in Vic a box of tissues and a packet of sedatives. *Rolls eyes*... bunch of sooks.
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Post by ponto on Jun 2, 2021 22:19:27 GMT 10
This is a government facing the reality of Covid where Kappa is a new variant that maybe more infectious than last years....Sky News is blatantly evil with misinformation that lock downs and social distancing is unnecessary, your infecting this board with Sky News tripe.
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Post by matte on Jun 2, 2021 22:58:56 GMT 10
This is a government facing the reality of Covid where Kappa is a new variant that maybe more infectious than last years....Sky News is blatantly evil with misinformation that lock downs and social distancing is unnecessary, your infecting this board with Sky News tripe. So do you disagree with the experts in the Guardian news article? I am not against things like social distancing, wearing masks if necessary, getting the vaccine if you're in a vulnerable population. But when will you leftists admit that the Andrews (is he even still around?) government has majorly got it wrong throughout the pandemic?
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Post by matte on Jun 2, 2021 23:31:39 GMT 10
Keep your hands off the footy!
We have turned into a nation of crazy people!
SA Chief Health Officer 'the nuttiest professor running around in the COVID game'
2 JUNE 2021
SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA
Sky News host Paul Murray says South Australia's Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier "is the nuttiest professor running around in the COVID game, as she warned fans who attend an AFL game should not touch the match ball. "Who could think in 2021 there could be any problem whatsoever with catching a footy kicked into the crowd?" he said.
"Don't touch the footy because a football player from Melbourne may have touched the ball in order to kick the ball."
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Post by pim on Jun 2, 2021 23:56:12 GMT 10
The Andrews government is evil! Victoria has become become a 'frightened state' under an 'authoritarian government'2 JUNE 2021 SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA Sky News host Chris Kenny says it is "simply incredible" the Victorian government is still imposing lockdowns when it's been 18 months into the pandemic, many people are vaccinated and few are infected or actually ill. "What massive harm the Victorian government and health bureaucracy is doing to the citizens of Victoria," Mr Kenny said. "This is like tackling the road toll by reducing the speed limit to zero. "It is simply incredible that the Victorian government is doing this 18 months into the pandemic, with so many people vaccinated, so few people infected and virtually nobody actually sick." Mr Kenny said it is impossible to "recognise our country now" seeing Victoria become a "frightened" state under an "authoritarian" government. "Look, as I said last week when this same government refused exemptions for a little boy's funeral in Warrnambool, it is impossible to recognise our country today. "This is a frightened state, an authoritarian government, a nanny state mentality, and an unsustainable dream of thinking this disease ... is the one disease we must fear above all others." Mr Kenny also said Canberra should "do nothing to support" the state government's request to have Jobkeeper reinstated "to pay for the lockdowns" they imposed on Victorians. "Given the federal government has loosened its purse strings to an unprecedented level already... it will have a hard time holding the line against sending more money and thereby funding Victoria's self-harm. "Canberra should be doing nothing to encourage this sort of panicked governance." This one’s my favourite from Matt. He’s really getting into his “outrage” mojo with this post. His opening sentence positively seethes with outrage. Yes I can detect flecks of spittle. That’s a sure sign that hysteria is setting in. The eyes are going wild, the hair is dishevelled ... oh well done Matt! Now call the wrath of your Sky god to smite these wicked evildoers!
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Post by megan on Jun 3, 2021 0:22:02 GMT 10
This is a government facing the reality of Covid where Kappa is a new variant that maybe more infectious than last years....Sky News is blatantly evil with misinformation that lock downs and social distancing is unnecessary, your infecting this board with Sky News tripe. So do you disagree with the experts in the Guardian news article? I am not against things like social distancing, wearing masks if necessary, getting the vaccine if you're in a vulnerable population. But when will you leftists admit that the Andrews (is he even still around?) government has majorly got it wrong throughout the pandemic? Got what exactly wrong ? WA has basically followed suit , except mcgowan has been harder with the border closures ......the last election in WA blew the LNP out of the water ....that’s pretty much a success
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Post by ponto on Jun 3, 2021 7:15:16 GMT 10
The Guardian gave a balanced report on a expert from St Vincent hospital who claims Kappa is no more infectious than last years variant and what the 'Victorian Covid commander, Jeroen Weimar, said: “People unknown to each other before have transmitted to each other. That is very different from what we have seen before. It is certainly the fastest-moving outbreak we’ve seen anywhere in Australia for a long time.” '...and this is what the alt right does they distort a little info into a major claim that the Guardian supports the opinion of one expert.
The federal conservatives and Sky News have been against lockdowns and will jump on falsely constructed band wagons to support that notion...bottom line is State governments cannot take the risks with no lockdowns with a rapidly mutating virus.
Skynews influencing numbnuts with bullshit....again.
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Post by matte on Jun 3, 2021 8:13:14 GMT 10
So do you disagree with the experts in the Guardian news article? I am not against things like social distancing, wearing masks if necessary, getting the vaccine if you're in a vulnerable population. But when will you leftists admit that the Andrews (is he even still around?) government has majorly got it wrong throughout the pandemic? Got what exactly wrong ? WA has basically followed suit , except mcgowan has been harder with the border closures ......the last election in WA blew the LNP out of the water ....that’s pretty much a success You should walk around the Melbourne CBD (when there are no restrictions), businesses have gone bust. Not a very good strategy. People in Western Australia must think New South Wales with its lighter approach has Covid-19 everywhere, with deaths all over the place. Most of the deaths that have occurred here were at the start of last year, like most other states. There have been a few deaths since, but those are return travellers who end up in ICU. Proves that you don't need statewide or even citywide lockdowns if you have the systems in place to get on top of an outbreak. Truthfully, I think Victoria with all of its lockdowns in the next few years is going to have major problems with mental health, education and even diseases which if treated early can be cured, but if left go terminal. Those people with a suspect mole now having to put off going to the doctor to get it checked. Who knows when they'll go. All that elective surgery put on hold. Young people now having to homeschool again. School is more than just academic learning, it is also the social aspect, part of their development. Gladys Berejiklian had been very clear with us that her decisions when it comes to Covid-19 take into account not only Covid-19 infections or even the potential deaths, but also the economy, mental health, education etc. That is why she, along with her cabinet, were having an emergency meeting yesterday about bringing international students back. The university sector needs them. Australians need them because they subsidise the education of Australians. It seems like other jurisdictions only consider Covid-19 and that is all.
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Post by Stellar on Jun 3, 2021 8:19:38 GMT 10
Victoria should be excised from the rest of the Commonwealth. They are the ones letting down the side. They are the ones who are keeping this virus going. They are the ones who stuffed up their quarantine. They are the ones who don't know how to contact trace. They are the ones trying to escape into NSW - and at times succeeding. They are ones who haven't learnt by their mistakes. No more playing Mr Nice Guy, Beryl. Just close the border!
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Post by ponto on Jun 3, 2021 10:28:33 GMT 10
If Victoria is such a great place why are the always travelling around, and Victorians are different people than NSWelshians.
There is a whole raft of mistakes made by all governments, starting with the belief that Covid was not aerosol carried, and hotel quarantine good enough, to the slow roll out of vaccines etc...the government was forewarned a inevitable pandemic is going to happen.
Time to stop the politicking and work together.
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Post by Gort on Jun 3, 2021 10:58:04 GMT 10
This is a government facing the reality of Covid where Kappa is a new variant that maybe more infectious than last years....Sky News is blatantly evil with misinformation that lock downs and social distancing is unnecessary, your infecting this board with Sky News tripe. So do you disagree with the experts in the Guardian news article? I am not against things like social distancing, wearing masks if necessary, getting the vaccine if you're in a vulnerable population. But when will you leftists admit that the Andrews (is he even still around?) government has majorly got it wrong throughout the pandemic? Are you forgetting that this latest outbreak was due to a breach in Adelaide? (Loony Lefties bleeding hearts about returning people from India actually caused that one.)
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Post by matte on Jun 3, 2021 10:59:44 GMT 10
So is the Victorian government telling blatant lies? I think they are scaring people because they have no confidence in their contact tracing system. I think the honest truth is the Victorian government could not organise a root in a brothel. Scientists find no evidence strain is fast-moving ‘beast’By Chip Le Grand and Liam Mannix 3 JUNE 2021 SYDNEY MORNING HERALD The COVID-19 strain at the centre of the outbreak that has forced Melbourne into a second week of lockdown is not moving faster than other variants of the virus or spreading in new, unexpected ways, Australia’s peak pandemic advisory group has found. The government justified Wednesday’s extension of the lockdown by claiming what is now being called the “Kappa” variant of the virus is more contagious than previous outbreaks and infections are occurring more readily between people who only briefly come into contact. University of Melbourne Professor James McCaw, an infectious disease expert and member of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee, which advises the national cabinet, said this was not supported by the data he had seen. “There is no epidemiological evidence that this virus spreads faster,” he said. “There is no clear reason to think this virus is spreading in different ways. “We need to be very cautious. We are on an absolute knife-edge in Victoria about whether we bring this under control rapidly or it develops further. But I don’t think it is helpful to seed alarmist or doomsday-type thoughts into the community.” FULL STORY: www.smh.com.au/national/scientists-find-no-evidence-strain-is-fast-moving-beast-20210602-p57xfk.html
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Post by matte on Jun 3, 2021 11:01:29 GMT 10
So do you disagree with the experts in the Guardian news article? I am not against things like social distancing, wearing masks if necessary, getting the vaccine if you're in a vulnerable population. But when will you leftists admit that the Andrews (is he even still around?) government has majorly got it wrong throughout the pandemic? Are you forgetting that this latest outbreak was due to a breach in Adelaide? (Loony Lefties bleeding hearts about returning people from India actually caused that one.) It did start in Adelaide, but the Victorian government knew about it for a number of weeks before it became an "outbreak", they initially fucked up the locations that the guy visited too. That is all on Victoria.
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Post by Gort on Jun 3, 2021 11:07:12 GMT 10
Brett Sutton explained how much faster this variant is. The rapid spread of the Indian variant, including the transmission of the virus through "fleeting contact", has authorities deeply worried, increasing the likelihood of some form of extension.
Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton has described the virus as "an absolute beast".
"Because it has moved faster than any other strain we've dealt with, and we're seeing transmission in settings and circumstances we've never seen before," he said.
"This means we're to having to re-examine exposure sites — more than 300 of them — with this more contagious strain in mind."www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-01/victorian-talks-underway-to-extend-covid-lockdown/100183038People were picking up this strain in outdoor settings hours after the contagious person had left. Close contacts were infected in one day rather than a few days. This Indian variant is worse than the original virus. There are 69 active cases from that one person who returned from India in Adelaide. More than 350 sites of potential infection. All from an 18 second exposure in Adelaide a few weeks ago. The fact that the contact tracers are very successful this time around has masked the increased contagious nature of this variant. If there had not been effective isolation so fast this time, things would be back to a big third wave by now. More than 4,000 contacts were isolated very quickly.
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Post by matte on Jun 3, 2021 11:24:05 GMT 10
So Professor James McCaw is wrong then?
This is the problem, Professor James McCaw says it isn't a fast moving beast, but Professor Sutton says it is.
I think Sutton is on his own, because a number of other scientists have said that there is little difference between this strain and all the others.
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Post by Gort on Jun 3, 2021 11:27:38 GMT 10
So Professor James McCaw is wrong then? This is the problem, Professor James McCaw says it isn't a fast moving beast, but Professor Sutton says it is. I think Sutton is on his own, because a number of other scientists have said that there is little difference between this strain and all the others. James McCaw is looking at the data, not the mechanism behind the data. I'm going with Sutton's view, he looks at the way this variant was moving. We are very lucky that the isolation of 4,000 odd contact took place so quickly. Sutton was seeing an R factor that was potentially off the charts compared to the original virus.
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Post by matte on Jun 3, 2021 11:31:04 GMT 10
So Professor James McCaw is wrong then? This is the problem, Professor James McCaw says it isn't a fast moving beast, but Professor Sutton says it is. I think Sutton is on his own, because a number of other scientists have said that there is little difference between this strain and all the others. James McCaw is looking at the data, not the mechanism behind the data. I'm going with Sutton's view, he looks at the way this variant was moving. We are very lucky that the isolation of 4,000 odd contact took place so quickly. Sutton was seeing an R factor that was potentially off the charts compared to the original virus. But the scientists interviewed by the Guardian (the most leftist large rag in Australia) say that Vic Health is wrong.
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Post by Gort on Jun 3, 2021 11:34:26 GMT 10
I reckon Sutton is right and The Guardian and other "experts" are wrong. It was Sutton who engineered the successful eradication of our second wave. He knows what he is doing. Sutton is the one closest to this latest outbreak and knows the case histories the best.
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Post by matte on Jun 3, 2021 11:36:26 GMT 10
I reckon Sutton is right and The Guardian and other "experts" are wrong. It was Sutton who engineered the successful eradication of our second wave. He knows what he is doing. Sutton is the one closest to this latest outbreak and knows the case histories the best. Well this is why we need a national Royal Commission into the response to Covid-19 to get to the bottom of all of this. I think we'll have one and I don't think the findings will be that impressive for Victoria.
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Post by Gort on Jun 3, 2021 11:43:53 GMT 10
There is no doubt that there were stuff-ups in Victoria before the second wave.
However, since the "minor" Bendigo outbreak in August last year, the contact tracing unit has had its act together.
In fact, I think Victoria is the only place on the planet that successfully eradicated the second wave?
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Post by Gort on Jun 3, 2021 11:56:15 GMT 10
Are you forgetting that this latest outbreak was due to a breach in Adelaide? (Loony Lefties bleeding hearts about returning people from India actually caused that one.) It did start in Adelaide, but the Victorian government knew about it for a number of weeks before it became an "outbreak", they initially fucked up the locations that the guy visited too. That is all on Victoria. That issue about a shopping centre was due to a bank transaction statement leaving off the fine detail. As it turned out, luckily, that mix-up with the shopping centre has no material impact. People like to latch on to one error about a shop location and overlook the overriding success of this latest contact isolation.
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