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Post by caskur on Jun 24, 2021 20:08:14 GMT 10
Nor do you Toots! You bandy about this loose term “socialism” in a fuzzy way. Extremist right wing fruitcakes think they know what “socialism” means but they’re as clueless and as ignorant of the meaning of “socialism” as they are of the meaning of “Christianity”. Even though they reject the one and claim to “own” the other. Now if you’ll excuse me I need to watch the ABC News! I'm down the middle with leans on the left on some issues. I do not like that Labor has been overtaken by morons. Labor is supposed to be about working men and women's rights. It's not supposed to support illegal immigrants over battlers.
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Post by ponto on Jun 24, 2021 22:03:24 GMT 10
Pim is fairly right you have no idea about what socialism represents.
You are caught in the ol' RW dogma socialism equates to communism, when it doesn't and what is being advocated here is democratic socialism.
So I'll leave you with the question how many democratic socialist countries have inflicted bloody war on other nations as compared to capitalism ...?
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Post by caskur on Jun 24, 2021 22:26:28 GMT 10
Pim is fairly right you have no idea about what socialism represents. You are caught in the ol' RW dogma socialism equates to communism, when it doesn't and what is being advocated here is democratic socialism. So I'll leave you with the question how many democratic socialist countries have inflicted bloody war on other nations as compared to capitalism ...? Germany, twice at least... Although war was declared on the Germans for invading their neighbours... and don't sit there and tell me Germans weren't socialists...
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Post by matte on Jun 24, 2021 22:33:24 GMT 10
They are getting closer to the truth. Covid-19 data was deleted by China to ‘obscure their existence’, virologist saysA virologist says he has discovered what China has tried to hide about the pandemic’s early days, that could hold the key to unlocking the Covid mystery.By Andrew Koubaridis 24 JUNE 2021 DAILY TELEGRAPH China deleted crucial Covid-19 about the pandemic’s early days “to obscure their existence” in a cover up attempt, a virologist claims. The move could have ruined the investigation launched by the World Health Organisation to try and discover the origins of the virus that has crippled the world, Jesse Bloom, a virologist and evolutionary biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in the US, wrote in a newly published scientific journal. Mr Bloom, of Seattle, believed information was deleted from the National Institutes of Health’s Sequence Read Archive. “The fact that such an informative data set was deleted has implications beyond those gleaned directly from the recovered sequences. Samples from early outpatients in Wuhan are a gold mine for anyone seeking to understand the spread of the virus,” Mr Bloom wrote in the journal. FULL STORY: www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/covid19-data-was-deleted-by-china-to-obscure-their-existence-virologist-says/news-story/da19a39492fe48f919418bb7a3855793
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Post by ponto on Jun 24, 2021 23:21:30 GMT 10
Occam's Sprok has already posted that story.
And there we have ignorance calling fascist Germany democratic socialist...dumb and dumber.
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Post by pim on Jun 25, 2021 0:02:10 GMT 10
Toots will double down on that one. In America clueless populism claims that because the Nazis had “socialist” in their moniker therefore that made them “socialist”. It’s a bit like arguing that because the Ku Klux Klan calls itself “Christian” therefore that makes them “Christian”.
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 3:01:08 GMT 10
Occam's Sprok has already posted that story. And there we have ignorance calling fascist Germany democratic socialist...dumb and dumber. Hitler was the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED leader of Germany and his party was the NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS' PARTY. <<<<< SOCIALIST GERMANS VOTED FOR THEM. That is an historical fact. Socialists are trying to bring down our monarchy now. Just like socialists plundered most of the European monarchs. Socialists don't want monarchs. I'm very surprised you don't see modern day similarities between Hitler and our very own brand of federal Labor. If I could be bothered I'd write them all down. I saw similarities between Hitler and Paul Keating, (the wanker that brought in provisional tax) when I went back to high school in 1993. What a gigantic turdstain that arsehole was. Do you think that was a good "socialist" move? You think mankind is going to rectify and undo all the damage that's been done all the while plundering the plant of its vital carbon sinks and wrecking virgin habitat in pursuit of precious metals, producing plastic by the mega tonnes and uncontrolled breeding of even more stupid people to the planet. Pim posts up pretty pictures of renewables in idealized settings in glossy brochures not realizing most of that rubbish will be tomorrows recycling headache for our grandchildren. Well done modern day socialist swampducks. Awwww I wished I weres harf as smart as yous.
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 3:16:40 GMT 10
Toots will double down on that one. In America clueless populism claims that because the Nazis had “socialist” in their moniker therefore that made them “socialist”. It’s a bit like arguing that because the Ku Klux Klan calls itself “Christian” therefore that makes them “Christian”. More like Nutmeg Windsor and Kamala Harris claiming they are black and telling Porky Pies. Kamala is 50% Indian, 25% European and 25% Jamaican-African... so when the papers call her the first black VP they're misleading readers, because she is more Asian than African. People need to stop lying and start being truthful.
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Post by pim on Jun 25, 2021 7:36:54 GMT 10
Observe the other hallmark of the white supremacist redneck who trades in ignorance to feed her xenophobia and bigotry: “coloured” people should know their place. When they rise above their station they become “uppity”. This calls for a changed response from the white supremacist who now feels her white supremacy threatened when “coloureds” become “uppity”. Whereas in the past you could deliver a racist slur and putdown by dismissing a white-looking person like Meghan Markle as having “a touch of the tar brush” and describing how even a tiny amount of “coloured” ancestry defined an individual as “coloured” through descriptors like “mulatto”, “quadroon” and even “octoroon”, nowadays the white racist gaslights an uppity person of colour by using that individual’s “white” ancestry to deny their status as “coloured”. Andrew Bolt tried that one on with a blackfella First Nations guy he didn’t like and he was taken to court. To Bolt’s outrage the court found against him and imposed a penalty. Bolt has never got over it and, try as they might, the loony toons fruitcake freakshow that is Sky News After Dark, talkback and the extremist right wing of the Coalition government tried repeatedly to parlay the Bolt case into a “freedom of speech” issue. Central to this was the campaign to repeal Section 18C of the Human Rights Act which the court had ruled Bolt had breached. It was a non-starter. Section 18C remains on the statute books.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 25, 2021 7:51:05 GMT 10
This is socialism:
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 7:53:40 GMT 10
"coloured people is a racist term imo. There is only 1 race, the human race.
I didn't label the fucks "coloured"... THEY labelled themselves, "coloured", and labelled themselves "black."
I am 10000% for free speech. However, our modern *choke*, *cough, cough* socialists want to be like the other socialist Hitler and censor.
So every time hypocrite calls themselves a socialist that actually NEVER NEVER EVER talk about worker rights and conditions, I have a VERY hard time believing they are really socialists. They're not. They are another creature.
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Post by pim on Jun 25, 2021 8:01:01 GMT 10
Thanks Toots! Feel free to go on demonstrating my point
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 8:06:57 GMT 10
Thanks Toots! Feel free to go on demonstrating my point Your point is obsolete. Keep sipping your Chardonnay...
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 8:21:18 GMT 10
Observe the other hallmark of the white supremacist redneck who trades in ignorance to feed her xenophobia and bigotry: “coloured” people should know their place. When they rise above their station they become “uppity”. This calls for a changed response from the white supremacist who now feels her white supremacy threatened when “coloureds” become “uppity”. Whereas in the past you could deliver a racist slur and putdown by dismissing a white-looking person like Meghan Markle as having “a touch of the tar brush” and describing how even a tiny amount of “coloured” ancestry defined an individual as “coloured” through descriptors like “mulatto”, “quadroon” and even “octoroon”, nowadays the white racist gaslights an uppity person of colour by using that individual’s “white” ancestry to deny their status as “coloured”. Andrew Bolt tried that one on with a blackfella First Nations guy he didn’t like and he was taken to court. To Bolt’s outrage the court found against him and imposed a penalty. Bolt has never got over it and, try as they might, the loony toons fruitcake freakshow that is Sky News After Dark, talkback and the extremist right wing of the Coalition government tried repeatedly to parlay the Bolt case into a “freedom of speech” issue. Central to this was the campaign to repeal Section 18C of the Human Rights Act which the court had ruled Bolt had breached. It was a non-starter. Section 18C remains on the statute books. I will tell you about the pre-settlement native settlers from India who island hopped their way to Australia... They murdered 1st English soldier settler Nesbit by bashing his head in so no one could recognize his face and spearing his body over and over. He used to give them a bit of flour from their miniscule supplies and was murdered for his troubles,...And another soldier was twice speared in the leg but got away on horseback. Western Australia's Tempestuous History Vols 1 and 2 Omnibus by John Nairn page 18
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 8:32:34 GMT 10
FrankyLangers @frankylangers Replying to caskur and @westaustralian That’s right, Private Nesbit of the 21st Regiment, was attacked by aborigines at the Murray River in July 1834. Nesbit was killed and Colour Sgt Barron was speared twice. Sgt Barron however, managed to gallop away. Nesbit's death became the catalyst for the Battle of Pinjarra.
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 8:40:19 GMT 10
This is socialism: Well our leftist government forced $1,000 out of pockets to give Queenslanders (whose state wasn't insured like everyone elses state) back in the Cyclone Yasi event. What would Canadians do if your government forced $1,000 out of your pockets to pay for say... Alberta?
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Post by pim on Jun 25, 2021 8:53:23 GMT 10
“Settlers from India” huh! Well I guess 50 000 years ago (and counting) humans who ended up on this landmass - however they did it they’d have had to cross open ocean and the jury’s out on just how they managed that feat of navigation but it was the first oceanic crossing by humans in history - would have been part of the movement of Homo sapiens out of Africa. Stands to reason that India was a way station.
But you see this is another tactic by white supremacist boofheads to deny Australian First Nations an identity or a unique relationship with this country: deny them their identity as First Nations indigenous inhabitants of this land by calling them “settlers from India”. Since we whitefellas are descended from settlers from Europe then to call First Nations “settlers from India” just makes them another type of “settler” right? Wrong! The First Nations of both Australia and the Americas in their creation myths do not have stories of a great migration in the way that the NZ Maori have stories of sea voyages that brought their ancestors to Aotearoa. For indigenous Australians their stories begin here. Whatever they were 50 000 years ago they became what they are through 50 millennia of life on this continent. It’s like our European ancestors. Apparently our lot have only been whitefellas for 10 000 years. Our ancestors who came out of Africa into Europe and displaced the Neanderthals were black. That’s according to research. It’s amazing what they’re coming up with through DNA research and the genome project. We have to forget everything we learned at school about “early man”. It’s all being rewritten. Point is that our ancestors became whitefellas in Europe. It was Europe that shaped them and we are the ultimate product. It was Australia that turned the humans of 50 000 years ago into the First Nations indigenous population of this landmass. To dismiss them as just another bunch of “settlers” is racist.
You keep on demonstrating my point Toots. What is it over there in WA? Something in the water that makes you such a redneck boofhead? I’ll be going over there in about 4 weeks. Relax! WA and SA have open borders with each other and together we’ve closed borders with the rest of the country. But I worry about the water over there. Will it turn me into a white supremacist?
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Post by ponto on Jun 25, 2021 9:20:23 GMT 10
Hitler ran on a fascist platform and we have been over this German history before, your arguing that Hitler was a socialist is only found in far RW thinking, and thus shows your true political ideology....its a diversion and a refusal to accept facts which shows a lack of wanting to know anything but your political dogma of being right when wrong.
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 9:33:09 GMT 10
Hitler ran on a fascist platform and we have been over this German history before, your arguing that Hitler was a socialist is only found in far RW thinking, and thus shows your true political ideology....its a diversion and a refusal to accept facts which shows a lack of wanting to know anything but your political dogma of being right when wrong. Only found in far RW? Are you saying they stole their information from me? I'm not interested in arguing with leftists that re-write history which is what you do. I studied German history from 1850 to 1939... you didn't. Germans were democratic socialists, deal with it!~
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 9:39:10 GMT 10
“Settlers from India” huh! Well I guess 50 000 years ago (and counting) Very, very easy to prove or disprove today with DNA testing. Let's see them disprove what I say? Do the DNA test. C'mon... show me I'm wrong!~
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Post by pim on Jun 25, 2021 10:46:24 GMT 10
Toots you're trying to deflect and lead us into the weeds. They're not "from" India in the same way as we are "from" Europe. To try to dilute their identity as indigenous First Nations is racist. Now if you want to tramp through the weeds on this one then feel free but you'll do it on your own. Right now I'm about to sit down to a brunch to die for at a French creperie. They'd better have them in Perth!
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 18:33:30 GMT 10
Toots you're trying to deflect and lead us into the weeds. They're not "from" India in the same way as we are "from" Europe. To try to dilute their identity as indigenous First Nations is racist. Now if you want to tramp through the weeds on this one then feel free but you'll do it on your own. Right now I'm about to sit down to a brunch to die for at a French creperie. They'd better have them in Perth! They were from India.
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Post by ponto on Jun 25, 2021 19:07:42 GMT 10
National Socialism is not Socialism....the Germans who voted for Hitler because their enemy was those on the left. The Nazi's adopted the name socialist to lure workers away from their traditional attachments to existing socialist and communist parties.
Instead of controlling the means of production and controlling wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis were focused on safeguarding social and racial hierarchy.
Jews under Hitler were regarded as socialist, and today one wouldn't call Bernie Sanders a fascist ...he is democratic socialist.
First and foremost, the Nazis loudly opposed democracy, they were also opposed to emancipating the workers, giving them the rights to vote and to organize in unions.
The Nazis were NOT Democratic Socialists, Democratic Socialism is based on democracy and has nothing to do with a Dictatorship.
Hitler hated socialism and communism and did his best to eradicate these ideologies.
Those on the far right bandy about this furphy Hitler was a socialist because they hate being called fascist.
You fascist pig.
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Post by caskur on Jun 25, 2021 19:27:57 GMT 10
You obviously don't understand the date I wrote 1850 to 1939 when I studied German history... think about it, it'll come to you sooner or later.
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Post by ponto on Jun 25, 2021 21:05:52 GMT 10
That's it divert away...for you Democratic Socialist are war mongering fascist....your Germany History studies would have to been from a MAD magazine.
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