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Post by matte on Jun 6, 2021 18:41:55 GMT 10
China should be sued in the United States. If they lose, the value of the U.S government bonds they hold should be used for payment.
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Post by caskur on Jun 7, 2021 1:33:52 GMT 10
Funny watching Trump back on stage today, claiming that CHINA should pay for the havoc caused by COVID 19, yet at the same time indicating that Anthony Fauci was up to his neck in the weaponising of the virus. Which one is it Donald? Why shouldn't China pay? They covered it up, like SARS. Only this time, Covid-19 spread. The head of WHO covered it up... go google the info. Chinks aren't the only culpable ones
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 7, 2021 8:15:13 GMT 10
As shown earlier there is no link between US research funding to Wuhan lab and the manufacture of Covid-19, that is a alt right construct of joining dots as proof...and so it goes round and round with Occam like a dog chasing its tail. And when Biden's investigative report comes in on the source of Covid-19 it will no doubt still be no proof it was manufactured in a lab....and guarantee the alt right will be stammering but but but but we have to war on China. Yes we all know, Ponto. Leftist propaganda is the only information you are willing to accept. As for Alt-right "conspiracy theories"...Do you remember when the Covid passports were just an alt-right Conspiracy theory? Yeah no worries, I'm sure they got it wrong this time... Derp derp Derr....😄
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Post by ponto on Jun 7, 2021 14:40:08 GMT 10
Any mainstream media that doesn't hero worship The despicable Trump and Alt Truth is leftist propaganda with you Sporko...
Cancel culture spreads more widely than those on the left, you have the born again Evangelicals who are reborn into alt right truth fanatics where the democrats keep slave children under Capitol Hill, climate change is not real....or at least not man made...mainstream media is all propaganda and only they far right media is truth such as Covid definitely came out of a Lab so beat up a war on China the evil communist, and anyone one against them is a commo enemy...to be blunt full of shit dangerous Trumpism ideology.
You can have it.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 7, 2021 21:18:35 GMT 10
Any mainstream media that doesn't hero worship The despicable Trump and Alt Truth is leftist propaganda with you Sporko... Cancel culture spreads more widely than those on the left, you have the born again Evangelicals who are reborn into alt right truth fanatics where the democrats keep slave children under Capitol Hill, climate change is not real....or at least not man made...mainstream media is all propaganda and only they far right media is truth such as Covid definitely came out of a Lab so beat up a war on China the evil communist, and anyone one against them is a commo enemy...to be blunt full of shit dangerous Trumpism ideology. You can have it. Still waiting for that evidence for natural causation, that you keep claiming is ample...
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Post by pim on Jun 7, 2021 23:45:50 GMT 10
It is no longer a "conspiracy theory" to say that Covid-19 was in fact created inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology, it is fast becoming a fact. What is more important to ask is how the world should punish China for the devastation they have caused? China is ‘feeling the heat’ as experts begin to favour Wuhan lab leak theorySKY NEWS AUSTRALIA 26 MAY 2021 China is “feeling the heat” as the theory COVID-19 leaked from a lab in Wuhan gains momentum, according to Sky News host Andrew Bolt. “Last year, we had so many people saying that’s just a conspiracy theory,” Mr Bolt said. “Finally, a lot of experts now saying actually, it does now look like this virus maybe did escape from that Chinese lab. “The head of that lab in Wuhan… this week helped put out a report insisting this virus is probably natural; it has features of a bat virus but actually is closer to what you’d expect if it had then infected an animal known as the pangolin. “But this study admits it’s still not clear how the virus then jumped again from pangolins to humans.” Mr Bolt spoke with Flinders Medical Centre Director of Endocrinology Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, who said opinions have now swung “very much” against China regarding the origins of COVID-19. “I think most scientists are waking up to the fact that they were bamboozled last year,” Professor Petrovsky said. “By people who had very close connections with China which were pushing this agenda to label anyone that suggested the possibly even of this being a laboratory leak was somehow a bad scientist or a conspiracy theorist.” How should they be punished? They should be locked in room with you for four hours.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 8, 2021 8:04:56 GMT 10
A wise man once said, you can't escape a jail you don't know you're in.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 8, 2021 21:11:15 GMT 10
Any mainstream media that doesn't hero worship The despicable Trump and Alt Truth is leftist propaganda with you Sporko... Cancel culture spreads more widely than those on the left, you have the born again Evangelicals who are reborn into alt right truth fanatics where the democrats keep slave children under Capitol Hill, climate change is not real....or at least not man made...mainstream media is all propaganda and only they far right media is truth such as Covid definitely came out of a Lab so beat up a war on China the evil communist, and anyone one against them is a commo enemy...to be blunt full of shit dangerous Trumpism ideology. You can have it. ...If rejecting the mainstream propaganda that Trump is a monster could be considered "Hero Worship, you might have had a point". Yep they can openly lie to you about Covid, and Masks. They can restrict your freedoms and bully you into staying inside and not gathering. They can tell you what and when you are allowed to shop. They can openly lie to you about covids origin, be involved in destroying free speech and be caught on tape saying that they are participating in propaganda... ...But at least they are against Trump, and that's the important part 😆 As for the rest of it, the Germans came up with a term to describe exactly what the mainstream media is currently doing: Lying press (German: Lügenpresse, lit. 'press of lies') is a pejorative political term used largely by German political movements for the printed press and the mass media at large, as a propaganda tactic to discredit the publications that offered a message counter to their agenda. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press
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Post by matte on Jun 8, 2021 23:14:30 GMT 10
China needs to be held to account. It is almost impossible that Covid-19 was "natural".
Pim will dismiss this as being "Sky After Dark", but it isn't Andrew Bolt that is of interest here, it is the scientist he is interviewing:
China 'morally on the hook for trillions of dollars' if COVID-19 came from a lab
8 JUNE 2021
SKY NEWS AUSTRALIA
Sky News host Andrew Bolt says the "evidence grows by the day" COVID-19 "first leaked from a laboratory in China and if true, China will be morally on the hook for trillions of dollars" in compensation.
"First there's this stunning coincidence the pandemic started outside a lab in Wuhan," he said.
"What's more, this virus first appeared already perfectly adapted to killing humans with no sign of earlier strains.
"Now even more decisive is a report from two American experts ... that says the amino acids that make up the genome of this virus and make it so dangerous are almost certainly man-made."
Mr Bolt spoke to Atossa Therapeutics Founder Dr Steven Quay who told Sky News "there's probably a one-in-a-billion chance" the coronavirus could occur in nature but it's "exactly the sort of thing" you'd expect to see from gain-of-function research.
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Post by matte on Jun 9, 2021 20:35:33 GMT 10
Who could argue with one of the best former National Security Advisors and Secretaries of State? Condoleezza Rice says dismissal of lab leak theory was a "mistake"By Melissa Quinn 6 JUNE 2021 YAHOO! NEWS Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice suggested public health officials in the United States made a "mistake" in the early weeks of the pandemic by dismissing the possibility that the coronavirus accidentally leaked from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. "There was too much of a tendency early on to dismiss this possibility of a laboratory leak, and I think there was a lot, and I think the press bears some responsibility for this," Rice said in an interview with "Face the Nation" that aired Sunday. "'Well, it had to be animal-to-human transmission.' These were conspiracy theories about a laboratory leak. And in fact, some of the evidence was right in front of our faces." FULL STORY: news.yahoo.com/condoleezza-rice-says-dismissal-lab-151358995.html
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Post by matte on Jun 9, 2021 20:56:11 GMT 10
We need answers and honesty about what the communist regime was up to in that lab.
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Post by caskur on Jun 10, 2021 1:58:46 GMT 10
The horse has bolted.
It's too late. The Chinese will never own up to anything.
I'd like to know the real Chinese death toll.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 10, 2021 3:17:32 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Jun 10, 2021 6:46:41 GMT 10
The alt right See no reality Here no reality Speak no responsibility From The Washington Post…
Attack the Capitol, sure. But stay out of my garage!
Representative Mo Brooks is strictly an armchair insurrectionist.
By DANA MILBANK | 7:27PM EDT — Tuesday, June 08, 2021U.S. Representative Mo Brooks (Republican-Alabama) greets supporters as he announces his campaign for U.S. Senate on March 22 in Huntsville, Alabama. — Photograph: Kim Chandler/Associated Press. REPRESENTATIVE MO BROOKS is strictly an armchair insurrectionist. On January 6, the Alabama Republican incited Trump followers to sack the Capitol. “Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass!” he told the crowd at a pre-riot rally. “Now, our ancestors sacrificed their blood, their sweat, their tears, their fortunes, and sometimes their lives…. So I have a question for you: Are you willing to do the same? My answer is yes. Louder! Are you willing to do what it takes to fight for America? Louder!” But when it came time to be held to account for inciting the deadly insurrection, Brooks chose flight, not fight. Representative Eric Swalwell (Democrat-California) sued Brooks, along with former president Donald Trump and others, for the damage caused by the insurrection. But Brooks, unlike the other defendants, refused to accept service of the court papers — prompting Swalwell to hire a private investigator to hunt him down. A weeks-long cat-and-mouse game ensued, and Brooks proved so elusive that the judge granted his pursuers a 60-day extension. On Sunday, the process servers finally caught Brooks (or, rather, his wife, Martha). The aggrieved lawmaker fired off a tweet accusing Swalwell's P.I. of “sneaking INTO MY HOUSE & accosting my wife!” — and, attaching a photo of Alabama's trespassing statute, declared that he would seek an “arrest warrant” for the “criminal trespass”. Brooks tweeted the photo, of his computer screen, in such haste that he evidently didn't notice it included what appeared to be a PIN and his Gmail password taped to his monitor. Apparently, taking a screenshot exceeded Brooks's technical capabilities. Representative Ted Lieu (Democrat-California) helpfully tweeted advice to his colleague: “Never tape PW to computer.” Could it be any more embarrassing for Congressman Luddite? Well, consider that he is a member of the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Cyber, Innovative Technologies and Information Systems. And consider Brooks's absurdly selective outrage. He provoked hundreds of Trump supporters to invade the Capitol, injuring hundreds of police and leading to several deaths. But now he's ALL-CAPS enraged because a non-violent process server walked into his open garage. Brooks is hoping Alabama voters will reward his stupidity by promoting him to the Senate next year. There is precedent for the state electing the dim-witted. Last year, Alabamians chose as their other senator former Auburn football coach Tommy Tuberville, a Republican who shortly after his election listed for an interviewer “all three branches of government…. You know, the House, the Senate and the executive.” Maybe MENSA will let Tuberville and Brooks pool their IQ points for a membership? Since his election to Congress a decade ago, Brooks has distinguished himself by: Saying that, to remove immigrants who are in the United States illegally, “I will do anything short of shooting them”. Declaring that Democrats, under President Barack Obama, had “launched a war on Whites”. Announcing that the top cause of rising sea levels isn't climate change but rocks and sediment falling into the ocean. In his latest gambit — championing Trump's “big lie” about the 2020 election — Brooks is pretty much doing the same thing as his Republican colleagues in Congress. He's just doing it more clumsily. As early as November 19, Brooks claimed members of Congress “control who the president of the United States is.” He later declared that “Joe Biden did not win” Georgia and that “Congress should reject any Georgia submission of 16 electoral college votes for Joe Biden.” He billed his appearance at the pre-insurrection Trump rally on January 6 by saying he would “tell the American people about the election system weaknesses that the Socialist Democrats exploited to steal this election.” After Trump's marauders attacked the Capitol, Brooks proclaimed, “All may not be (and likely is not) what appears. Evidence growing that fascist ANTIFA orchestrated Capitol attack with clever mob control tactics.” But when Swalwell sued Brooks, the combative Alabamian shied from the fight. He couldn't be served at the Capitol complex (the insurrection aftermath left the complex off-limits to all but lawmakers and staff, who couldn't act as process servers in their official capacities), forcing his pursuers to hunt for him in Huntsville, his home-town. Brooks taunted Swalwell on Twitter. Martha Brooks even performed an evasive maneuver in her car to give a process server the slip, Swalwell lawyer Philip Andonian told me. As Mo Brooks was sharing his password and PIN with the world, Martha Brooks told a conservative talk radio station that she was startled by the process server and “screamed” at the man, who left the legal papers and “skedaddled.” If only the domestic terrorists her husband incited had been so courteous. __________________________________________________________________________ • Dana Milbank is a nationally syndicated op-ed columnist for The Washington Post. He also provides political commentary for various TV outlets, and he is the author of three books on politics, including the national bestseller “Homo Politicus: The Strange and Scary Tribes that Run Our Government”. Milbank joined The Washington Post in 2000 as a Style political writer, then covered the presidency of George W. Bush as a White House correspondent before starting the column in 2005. Before joining The Post, Milbank spent two years as a senior editor at The New Republic, where he covered the Clinton White House, and eight years as a reporter with The Wall Street Journal, where he covered Congress and was a London-based correspondent. Milbank was educated at Yale University where he was awarded a B.A. cum laude in political science. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/08/attack-capitol-sure-stay-out-my-garage
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 10, 2021 11:24:58 GMT 10
Do you know how you know you can trust the media? The fact-checkers, who are hired by the media, told you the media is reliable.
Checkmate, you doubters.
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Post by ponto on Jun 10, 2021 12:35:54 GMT 10
That's the way see something you don't like then write it instantly off as bullshit and call yourself clever.
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Post by pim on Jun 10, 2021 13:06:18 GMT 10
China Returns to Its Strict Covid Limits to Fight a New OutbreakForeign businesses worry that tough quarantines and restrictions could persist into next year as Beijing struggles with variants and questions about its vaccines.Newly built laboratories for nucleic acid testing in Guangzhou, China, on Thursday. The city tested almost its entire population of 18.7 million between Sunday and TuesdayBy Keith Bradsher, June 9, 2021, 阅读简体中文版閱讀繁體中文版 www.nytimes.com/2021/06/09/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=HomepageBEIJING — Neighborhoods under strict lockdown. Thousands quarantined. Millions tested in mere days. Overseas arrivals locked up for weeks and sometimes months. China has followed variations of that formula for dealing with the coronavirus for more than a year — and a new outbreak suggests that they could be part of Chinese life for some time to come. China appeared to get the coronavirus under control nearly a year ago. But hundreds of millions of Chinese people remain unvaccinated. New variants of the coronavirus have appeared, and questions remain about whether China’s self-made vaccines can stop them. The latest cases have been found in Guangzhou, capital of the southern province of Guangdong. The authorities have blamed the Delta variant, which has caused widespread loss of life in India. The city tested practically its entire population of 18.7 million between Sunday and Tuesday, some of them for the second time. It has also put neighborhoods with a total of more than 180,000 residents into total lockdowns, with practically no one allowed out except for medical testing. The early infections appear to have jumped from person to person at a cluster of eateries. Each infected person has infected more people than in any previous outbreak that China has confronted, Zhang Zhoubin, deputy director of the Guangzhou Center for Disease Control, said at a news conference. Lines of residents getting tested in Guangzhou last month. Test facilities in the city have been operating around the clock“The epidemic faced by Guangzhou this time is an unprecedented opponent, and it requires more resolute and decisive measures to deal with it,” he said. Test facilities in Guangzhou have been operating around the clock. Lines are long. Residents wake early to try to beat the rush, but still find delays. Mandy Li, a longtime resident of the city’s Liwan District, where most of the infections have occurred, said she set her alarm clock for 3:30 a.m. She still had to wait an hour. “In the queue, there was a family of three,” she said. “Some woke their kids to line up, and some had strollers. But everyone was cooperative and quiet, as we know some volunteers and medical workers worked very hard and they’ve been there all this time without rest.” China’s approach has evolved since the coronavirus first emerged, when Beijing initially put harsh restrictions on hundreds of millions of people. Today its lockdowns are focused on neighborhoods rather than cities or provinces. China has made vaccination the centerpiece of its strategy. Still, many of the core tenets remain for a huge and densely populated country: vast testing, strict limits on movement and intense scrutiny of arrivals from other countries. The empty Beijing Capital International Airport last month. China has demanded limits on international travelers, and long quarantinesForeign businesses have worried that those limits on international travelers could snarl their plans. A European Union Chamber of Commerce survey released this week found that three-quarters of member companies said they had been adversely affected by travel restrictions, usually by hindering them from bringing in key engineers or executives. Beijing has demanded that travelers from dozens of countries spend two weeks in employer-supervised quarantine even before flying to China. Once there, travelers must spend at least two weeks and sometimes three or longer in government-supervised quarantine, even if they are fully vaccinated. Rounds of tests can turn up a possibly false positive, leading to more tests and additional days or weeks in isolation. A German national who flew into Shanghai last month said that he had been sent to a hospital isolation room for three days because he tested positive for antibodies, which he attributed to taking a second vaccine dose 16 days earlier. Nurses took his blood twice a day and performed six throat swabs, four nasal swabs and two anal swabs daily, said the German, who insisted on anonymity to avoid offending the authorities. The hospital room had no towels, no toilet paper and no television, and the bed was a steel plate with a thin mat, he said. Doses of the Covid-19 vaccine developed by Sinovac being produced at a factory in Beijing last year. Most Chinese have not been fully vaccinatedThe German said that, after consistently testing negative for the virus, he was allowed to spend the remaining 11 days of isolation in a government-supervised quarantine center. Many businesses expect that China may retain stringent travel restrictions through February, when Beijing will host the Winter Olympics, and possibly through autumn of next year, when the Chinese Communist Party will hold its party congress. Many foreigners in China face a choice: If they leave to visit spouses, children and other family members elsewhere, they may be unable to re-enter the country later because of the pandemic restrictions. “There is absolutely a growing fatigue for a lot of the foreigners who are here,” said Jacob Gunter, senior policy and communications manager at the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China. At home, China’s leaders are pushing its people to get vaccinated. It has administered about 800 million doses by the government’s count, compared with 300 million administered in the United States. Yin Weidong, the chairman and chief executive of Sinovac Biotech, one of China’s main vaccine manufacturers, told state television last Friday that Chinese regulators had approved the emergency use of vaccines in children as young as 3. Still, administering 800 million doses — almost all of the vaccines require two shots — means most of China’s 1.4 billion people have not been fully vaccinated. Some people remain hesitant to get the shots, and Chinese media outlets have used the Guangzhou outbreak to encourage skeptics to get inoculated. A nurse administering a Sinopharm vaccine in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia, last month. Mongolia has had large numbers of infections despite vaccinating half of its populationThe spread of the virus has raised fresh questions about the effectiveness of China’s vaccines, particularly against variants. The Seychelles last month and now Mongolia in the past three weeks have both had large numbers of infections despite high vaccination rates. Both have used the Sinopharm vaccine from China, although the Seychelles also relied partly on AstraZeneca vaccines. The Delta variant now circulating in Guangzhou has also shown the ability in other countries to infect some people who had already been vaccinated, a phenomenon known as vaccine escape. Research elsewhere has found that to be a particular problem for people who have received only a first injection of a two-jab vaccine and are then exposed to the Delta variant. Researchers in Britain have found that receiving only the first of two shots of the Oxford-AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines may be only 30 percent effective in preventing infection with the Delta variant, said Raina MacIntyre, who heads the biosecurity program at the Kirby Institute of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. After two doses, effectiveness appears to rise to 60 percent with the AstraZeneca vaccine and 88 percent with Pfizer-BioNTech. “With the degree of vaccine escape there is with the Delta variant, you really do need people to be fully vaccinated,” she said. Mr. Yin, of Sinovac, told China’s state-run television on Saturday that a third shot of his company’s vaccine produces a tenfold increase in antibodies within a week. But Chinese vaccine manufacturers are not yet recommending a third dose. “As far as China is concerned, in fact, completing the two-shot immunization is the most important task for all the public,” he said. In the meantime, Guangzhou has tried to turn its virus setback into a showcase for local technologies. Officials there said they had used 31 driverless shuttle vans and trucks to send food and other critical supplies into locked down neighborhoods to avoid exposing delivery personnel. By Tuesday, Guangdong Province had 157 people in hospital with the virus and was announcing about 10 new cases per day. The province and also Guangzhou itself have banned anyone since last weekend from leaving unless they have a valid reason and a negative nucleic acid test for the virus within the preceding 48 hours. Unlike many places around the world, Guangzhou at least does not have to worry about running out of pandemic supplies: It is coincidentally a hub for manufacturing and exporting them. Chen Jianhua, chief economist of the Guangzhou Bureau of Industry and Information Technology, said at a news conference on Wednesday that the city’s daily production capacity was 91 million masks and seven million sets of coronavirus detection chemicals. Keith Bradsher is the Shanghai bureau chief. He previously served as Hong Kong bureau chief, Detroit bureau chief, Washington correspondent covering international trade and then the U.S. economy, telecommunications reporter in New York and airlines reporter.
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Post by ponto on Jun 10, 2021 15:02:49 GMT 10
It was long forecasted that there would be a virus that would not behave the way it should and as such Covid-19 was not take seriously enough, what with anti vaxxers and people thinking the virus is nothing more than a flu...so much for herd immunity fallacy it will eventually infect the majority of the people and then it will be down to survival of the fittest...unless it mutates into something far worse and kills all.
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Post by pim on Jun 10, 2021 18:31:58 GMT 10
What strikes me about the NYT report is that it's written by the NYT correspondent who is based in China. Good luck finding an on-the-spot Australian primary or even secondary source in China. They've had to leave in a hurry.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 10, 2021 21:07:50 GMT 10
That's the way see something you don't like then write it instantly off as bullshit and call yourself clever. Oh look at that. Ponto is describing his process.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 10, 2021 21:11:50 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Jun 11, 2021 8:35:45 GMT 10
No one stopped the conservative republicans from making claims that the virus came from Wuhan lab, and here's bullshit straight up in your article, as the theory didn't hold water as the majority of science agreed "“is making an enormous and unjustifiable leap…to suggest that research of that kind [meant] that something untoward is going on.”....and to this day the majority still say with reasonable certainty the virus is zoological.
Your missives are all about the RW Hawks wanting to beat up a war with China, as they did with Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, South American and Korea etal..and I would bet than when Biden's Covid origin report comes in and it doesn't go with the Lab theory, as I suspect it will, you will still maintain that it is Lab made....RW Hawk zealots are mad as clowns cocks and dangerous for global peace.
Then hey what the heck stops you thinking about more serious issues when chasing a red herring.,,,carry on with your Chine-nah Chine=nah frog shit I will no longer respond to the idiotic alt right theories....religious fundamentalism of any sort is up there with the Taliban.
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Post by pim on Jun 11, 2021 8:54:38 GMT 10
Beating up a war with Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, South America (did you mean Central America?) and Korea is one thing - ok, several things! But beating up a war with China is something else altogether.
Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Central America and Korea are wars of choice that don’t really interfere with consumer society at home. There are no ration books like in WW2, the supermarket shelves are full, plenty of fuel in service stations for your car, no war-related power outages, shoot you can still take your overseas holidays. But war with China is nuclear Armageddon. To talk up going to war against the Chinese is something straight out of Dr Strangelove.
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Post by ponto on Jun 11, 2021 9:53:17 GMT 10
And such as it is the alt truth Hawks would war despite the calamity....they who win gains.
Also USA's interference in politics of nations that led to war in countries, South and central America , the ME South Asia etc.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 11, 2021 13:29:12 GMT 10
They would gain credibility if they would just admit it.
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