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Post by ponto on Jun 4, 2021 9:23:31 GMT 10
I gave you the evidence before...I don't see know reason to repeat myself...round and round you go.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 4, 2021 10:09:52 GMT 10
I gave you the evidence before...I don't see know reason to repeat myself...round and round you go. In that case, I propose that your evidence was insufficient; since I remain unconvinced.
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Post by Stellar on Jun 4, 2021 10:32:36 GMT 10
Describing SARS coronaviruses as heralding a “new era of genetic weapons”, the Chinese scientists claimed the viruses could be “artificially manipulated into an emerging human disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed in a way never seen before”.
The military document titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons reveal the Chinese military's plans with regards to bioweapons. Further, the Chinese language documents claim that a bioweapon attack could cause the "enemy's medical system to collapse".
I put these statements in bold Ponto just in case you missed the first time seeing as you look at anything concerning the chinks through your rose tinted glasses. If you can't understand the implications in the above, you're more of an idiot than I originally thought. Now I don't think the chinks deliberately unleashed this particular virus this time. They intended this "new era of genetic weapons" for a later release on their enemies when they have perfected the virus and also have an antidote for their own population. Doesn't take much to figure out who the enemies are. But they were certainly right - it did cause their enemies' medical systems to collapse. Except ours of course. What a bummer! You going to defect with your chinky s-i-l when they come?
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Post by ponto on Jun 4, 2021 11:28:11 GMT 10
You chose to ignore what I posted earlier out wilful don't want to know anything but the conspiracy narrative...and like your post Stellar you are repeating something that I had shown to be nothing more than a glimmer of information constructed to look like something that isn't, discussing bioweapons something that all bio labs and and nations security were talking about, because China talks about it for the alt right that is proof China manufactured Covid 19, Australia's security has discussed bioweapons maybe it came from Australia and it was exported to China via Lobsters.
What you guy's are proving you are more willing to be convinced by conspiracies than the actual science evidence and would not be convinced by anything until the US and Australia goes to nuclear Armageddon with China.
Fauci, who by way has done a great job in vaccinating America, is not the enemy within it is the alt right conspiracist ramping up war.
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Post by matte on Jun 4, 2021 11:34:24 GMT 10
China is so pathetic when compared to western democracy It’s China that’s fighting to contain COVID’s fallout now, not the WestBy Ambrose Evans-Pritchard June 4, 2021 THE TELEGRAPH (via SYDNEY MORNING HERALD) The democratic West did not lose the pandemic after all. The US may well emerge in better fundamental shape from the events of the last 18 months than Xi Jinping’s China. This is an enormous geopolitical upset. It was universally assumed after waves one and two that the chaotic, ill-prepared states of North America and Europe had suffered an irreparable blow to their collective prestige, and a concomitant loss of global economic caste. We can see in hindsight that they suffered neither. Jiang Jinquan, Xi’s propaganda chief, declared that Beijing’s success in stamping out COVID-19 with seemingly minimal economic damage had shown “the superiority of China’s political system”. The Communist Party believed that China’s sorpasso had been pulled forward by a decade and was henceforth unstoppable. A year later it is far from evident. American and European vaccines are the miracle cure sought by everybody. Japan’s vaccination drive has been strangely inept and nine prefectures covering 50 per cent of GDP are still under a state of emergency. A fourth wave has filled hospitals, and the Indian Delta variant has again thrown the Olympics into doubt. Japan’s economy remains stuck in recession. Those who relied heavily on Chinese vaccines have grown wary of large claims and opaque science. Chile vaccinated fast and early with Sinovac, and Hungary with Sinopharm. Both were overwhelmed by fresh waves of hospitalisation and death. Nobody believes trial data any more. George Gao, head of China’s Centre for Disease Control, says his country’s vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates” and may have to be mixed with Western mRNA technology to contain further waves of contagion. Which raises the question: will China have to rely on repressive surveillance measures long after the West has fully reopened? FULL STORY: www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/it-s-china-that-s-fighting-to-contain-covid-s-fallout-now-not-the-west-20210603-p57xmc.html
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Post by caskur on Jun 4, 2021 15:10:49 GMT 10
Tell us what? You don't even think this virus is either deadly or dangerous... doh!!! ...As compared to what? Aids, Cancer, ALS, H1N1, SARS, MERS, West Nile, Lyme? Why does Covid merit special medical , media, and political attention? As to your question: I mentioned the Wuhan lab back in January. You guys are just starting to catch up. Keep digging! I heard about it February 2020 but didn't have concrete PROOF until last week. I need concrete proof before I believe anything fully. Ugh, here we go again... SARS 2 which is what coronavirus IS clogs up hospitals ICU and kills doctors and nurses you fool. Are those other conditions doing that?... Stop acting like a dimbulb that has to be told things over and over again.
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Post by caskur on Jun 4, 2021 15:19:42 GMT 10
Those who relied heavily on Chinese vaccines have grown wary of large claims and opaque science. Chile vaccinated fast and early with Sinovac, and Hungary with Sinopharm. Both were overwhelmed by fresh waves of hospitalisation and death. Nobody believes trial data any more. George Gao, head of China’s Centre for Disease Control, says his country’s vaccines “don’t have very high protection rates” and may have to be mixed with Western mRNA technology to contain further waves of contagion. Which raises the question: will China have to rely on repressive surveillance measures long after the West has fully reopened? I wonder how good the Russian vaccine was/is? Do we know?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 4, 2021 21:14:37 GMT 10
...As compared to what? Aids, Cancer, ALS, H1N1, SARS, MERS, West Nile, Lyme? Why does Covid merit special medical , media, and political attention? As to your question: I mentioned the Wuhan lab back in January. You guys are just starting to catch up. Keep digging! I heard about it February 2020 but didn't have concrete PROOF until last week. I need concrete proof before I believe anything fully. Ugh, here we go again... SARS 2 which is what coronavirus IS clogs up hospitals ICU and kills doctors and nurses you fool. Are those other conditions doing that?... Stop acting like a dimbulb that has to be told things over and over again. On the contrary. Covid is a hybrid of SARS and MERS. SARS had a 75% survival rating, where Covid is 97-98%. Yes, Covid is more infectious, but let's be clear: they are not the same thing.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 4, 2021 21:16:03 GMT 10
You chose to ignore what I posted earlier out wilful don't want to know anything but the conspiracy narrative...and like your post Stellar you are repeating something that I had shown to be nothing more than a glimmer of information constructed to look like something that isn't, discussing bioweapons something that all bio labs and and nations security were talking about, because China talks about it for the alt right that is proof China manufactured Covid 19, Australia's security has discussed bioweapons maybe it came from Australia and it was exported to China via Lobsters. What you guy's are proving you are more willing to be convinced by conspiracies than the actual science evidence and would not be convinced by anything until the US and Australia goes to nuclear Armageddon with China. Fauci, who by way has done a great job in vaccinating America, is not the enemy within it is the alt right conspiracist ramping up war. Fauci has done a great job of selling masks. That's all. He is a bureaucrat. He's only there to push an agenda.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jun 4, 2021 21:56:04 GMT 10
Of course Fauci is going to deny it. It's a baseline defense. It doesn't change what the documents say. The Wuhan lab is guilty of GOF research, and the Bat lady lists Anthony Fauci as one of her supporters.
Opinions don't change the facts!
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Post by caskur on Jun 5, 2021 0:50:24 GMT 10
I heard about it February 2020 but didn't have concrete PROOF until last week. I need concrete proof before I believe anything fully. Ugh, here we go again... SARS 2 which is what coronavirus IS clogs up hospitals ICU and kills doctors and nurses you fool. Are those other conditions doing that?... Stop acting like a dimbulb that has to be told things over and over again. On the contrary. Covid is a hybrid of SARS and MERS. SARS had a 75% survival rating, where Covid is 97-98%. Yes, Covid is more infectious, but let's be clear: they are not the same thing. oh boy... SARS 1 killed 811 globally SARS 2 has so far killed 3,719,867 globally. ya really think they're different??? lol
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Post by ponto on Jun 5, 2021 6:45:42 GMT 10
As shown earlier there is no link between US research funding to Wuhan lab and the manufacture of Covid-19, that is a alt right construct of joining dots as proof...and so it goes round and round with Occam like a dog chasing its tail.
And when Biden's investigative report comes in on the source of Covid-19 it will no doubt still be no proof it was manufactured in a lab....and guarantee the alt right will be stammering but but but but we have to war on China.
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Post by pim on Jun 5, 2021 7:27:14 GMT 10
Ponto on your point of “war on China”: back in the day when Anzac Day was more a community event that recognised the old diggers that survived and remembered those who didn’t make it back, and before the Howard changes that transformed Anzac Day into something jingoistic and over-the-top, and when you still had veterans from the trenches of WW1, I recall that you’d always get an interview on b/w television or on the radio in which an old digger would reminisce ... but invariably would expand on his reminiscing and share his insights into war as something that people “do”. Invariably these old Anzacs would say that war doesn’t solve anything. I’ve always thought that to be an insight worth sharing by an old veteran and it made Anzac Day a worthwhile commemoration. These days of course there’s nothing “pacifist” about Anzac Day and any old veteran who dared say that his wartime experiences turned him into a pacifist would be denied a platform and derided by the Peter Duttons of this world as well as by the cockroaches of Sky News After Dark as a seditious “leftist”. But we need pacifists like never before. The warmongers are beating their drums again and their delusions that a nuclear war is “winnable” are criminal.
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Post by ponto on Jun 5, 2021 10:20:48 GMT 10
Considering the ol' diggers of WW1 have passed on and WW2 veterans very few in numbers I'd hazard a guess that the Howard government to keep the tradition turned the tradition into something more nationalistic turning the diggers into something they did not think of themselves as, Australian digger warriors.
I have heard young people express the truth that Gallipoli was a futile war so the sentiments out there are not all one sided view of Gallipoli, the futility of the war hasn't been entirely forgotten war.
China has its faults as all nations does, what the RW don't get as the bleat along following their pollical masters and influencer's, is that beating the drum of war on China is Armageddon futility...serves no purpose than a catastrophic loss of life.
Or as it with the evangelicals...Armageddon bring it on as was predicated in the bible.
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Post by caskur on Jun 5, 2021 13:57:00 GMT 10
Considering the ol' diggers of WW1 have passed on and WW2 veterans very few in numbers I'd hazard a guess that the Howard government to keep the tradition turned the tradition into something more nationalistic turning the diggers into something they did not think of themselves as, Australian digger warriors. I have heard young people express the truth that Gallipoli was a futile war so the sentiments out there are not all one sided view of Gallipoli, the futility of the war hasn't been entirely forgotten war. China has its faults as all nations does, what the RW don't get as the bleat along following their pollical masters and influencer's, is that beating the drum of war on China is Armageddon futility...serves no purpose than a catastrophic loss of life. Or as it with the evangelicals...Armageddon bring it on as was predicated in the bible. Armageddon is God's war on man-unkind. Most humans will die and according to the Bible, "unless God cuts short those days, no flesh will be saved." And Immageddon tired of waiting.
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Post by ponto on Jun 5, 2021 14:14:02 GMT 10
Nice pun on the word there...and if God doesn't Armageddon the world, the religious RW will act out in his name.
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Post by caskur on Jun 5, 2021 14:20:56 GMT 10
Nice pun on the word there...and if God doesn't Armageddon the world, the religious RW will act out in his name. God is going to use the armies to bump each other off so expect WW3..
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Post by ponto on Jun 5, 2021 15:14:59 GMT 10
Why doesn;t god just smite the planet....cut out the middlemen.
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Post by caskur on Jun 5, 2021 15:56:13 GMT 10
Why doesn;t god just smite the planet....cut out the middlemen. The armies kill each other off then the remaining ones turn on God's chosen ones,... then God acts as swiftly as if he was poked in the eye. In other words very, very fast. Immageddon tired of waiting...still.
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Post by pim on Jun 5, 2021 17:33:38 GMT 10
Imageddon bored. Abyssinia.
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Post by matte on Jun 6, 2021 18:21:13 GMT 10
Former diplomat to China explains the ‘weaponisation of COVID’
30 NOVEMBER 2021
60 MINUTES
Former British Diplomat to China, Matthew Henderson, co-authored a report for a legal class action against the Chinese Communist Party, for the massive economic damage caused by COVID-19. In an extended interview with reporter Tara Brown, he says the most appalling part of the cover up was quashing early concerns about a new frightening virus raised by Chinese doctors and scientists in Wuhan.
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Post by Gort on Jun 6, 2021 18:26:11 GMT 10
Funny watching Trump back on stage today, claiming that CHINA should pay for the havoc caused by COVID 19, yet at the same time indicating that Anthony Fauci was up to his neck in the weaponising of the virus. Which one is it Donald?
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Post by matte on Jun 6, 2021 18:27:50 GMT 10
What China has done to the world is unforgivable.
3 Days that Stopped the World | Al Jazeera Investigations
18 JANUARY 2021
ALJAZEERA
Mid January, 2020. Two Chinese journalists were sent to Wuhan to investigate a mysterious virus outbreak. This is their account of the three days before Wuhan entered lockdown.
The World Health Organization held meetings to decide if the epidemic was a global health emergency. It did not consider it so. When the journalists arrive, locals were busy preparing for upcoming Chinese New Year celebration.
At the time, not much was known about the virus that was just days away from changing the world.
Then came a pivotal announcement: human-to-human transmission was confirmed. The journalists witnessed a city of 11 million people transform overnight.
Initial nonchalance was quickly replaced by panic. People started wearing masks, shops were shuttered. They shuttled between the increasingly saturated hospitals and Huanan Seafood Market, at the time thought to be the epicentre of this contagion.
And they were stopped at every juncture. Their reports were censored and their investigations blocked. @ajiunit
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Post by matte on Jun 6, 2021 18:29:08 GMT 10
Funny watching Trump back on stage today, claiming that CHINA should pay for the havoc caused by COVID 19, yet at the same time indicating that Anthony Fauci was up to his neck in the weaponising of the virus. Which one is it Donald? Why shouldn't China pay? They covered it up, like SARS. Only this time, Covid-19 spread.
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Post by Gort on Jun 6, 2021 18:33:03 GMT 10
If it is true that the US was funding the Chinese lab for weaponising COVID, then shouldn't the US be held responsible?
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