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Post by matt on Jan 4, 2013 23:39:04 GMT 10
I believe in evolution, and also the big bang. These two ideas are biblical, all talked about in the first two chapters of Genesis.
It is a perfect plan from a perfect God.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 4, 2013 23:46:47 GMT 10
I believe in evolution---Changing of the heart, renewing of the mind.
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Post by matt on Jan 5, 2013 13:59:15 GMT 10
evolution is a fact as is the earth going around the sun but both are called theories so there was no creation and no adam and eve and no fall and no tower of babel and no flood and no need for a redeemer and no jesus Anyone who has read the Bible in the last few thousand years has known about evolution and the big bang. |
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Post by garfield on Jan 5, 2013 14:05:51 GMT 10
The religious have adopted evolution into their ideas only in the last 100 years so as not to appear as complete crackpots in these modern and scientifically enlightened times ... it didn't work though  |
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Post by matt on Jan 5, 2013 17:06:09 GMT 10
The religious have adopted evolution into their ideas only in the last 100 years so as not to appear as complete crackpots in these modern and scientifically enlightened times ... it didn't work though The Book of Genesis has existed for thousands of years. |
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Post by garfield on Jan 5, 2013 17:16:35 GMT 10
No mention of evolution in that work of idiotic nonsense.
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Post by matt on Jan 5, 2013 17:42:38 GMT 10
Yes there is, read the first two chapters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 20:50:26 GMT 10
Funny how there are those who believe in Evolution, but deny that AGW is occurring.
Contradictory and Ironic
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2013 0:12:51 GMT 10
Matt is right.
But the Atheists here seem to think the Bible was originally written in 16th Century english.
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Post by jody on Jan 6, 2013 10:40:30 GMT 10
I think it pains Atheists to have to even consider the possibilities that crealution(I think that's what I will call it now) is in fact.....FACT |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2013 11:10:16 GMT 10
I think it pains Atheists to have to even consider the possibilities that crealution(I think that's what I will call it now) is in fact.....FACT Theistic evolution. |
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Post by jody on Jan 6, 2013 11:11:14 GMT 10
poor atheist buggers....must be so hard to be so wrong.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 6, 2013 11:16:07 GMT 10
Earl you are wasting your time mate It doesnt even say god - its says Elohim - which means gods plural. But when paired with Israel's deity, it was used with verbs in the singular. That isn't a multiplicity of beings, it's a multiplicity of power. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 7, 2013 5:05:47 GMT 10
Ugarit has shown it all - for those that are not deluded - that excludes you Ugarit confirms the Bible. You have yet to show how it contradicts. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 7, 2013 5:10:24 GMT 10
There is a difference between believing in the Evolution and knowing Evolution to be true. ..And there's your dilemma. Evolution is the process of change. That means you can't know for certain for it to have been true, or to have always been true, universally. (Since true science is repeatable, and verifiable.) Evolution is assumed , based on unreliable fossil records. That also means you can't rely on your mind to be giving you accurate information on evolution or anything really, since your mind would be a product of that change. You take it on faith. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 7, 2013 5:17:19 GMT 10
But when paired with Israel's deity, it was used with verbs in the singular. That isn't a multiplicity of beings, it's a multiplicity of power. thats the lies that are told that you are fool enough to believe No that's truth. Based on semitic morphology. From people who know the language. If you researched half as much as you claimed to, you'd know that. |
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 7, 2013 9:06:45 GMT 10
There is a difference between believing in the Evolution and knowing Evolution to be true. ..And there's your dilemma. Evolution is the process of change. That means you can't know for certain for it to have been true, or to have always been true, universally. (Since true science is repeatable, and verifiable.) Evolution is assumed , based on unreliable fossil records. That also means you can't rely on your mind to be giving you accurate information on evolution or anything really, since your mind would be a product of that change. You take it on faith. This actually means that he really thinks we can't think for ourselves. Garfield, bring the cuckoo with you when you return! |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 7, 2013 10:50:37 GMT 10
..And there's your dilemma. Evolution is the process of change. That means you can't know for certain for it to have been true, or to have always been true, universally. (Since true science is repeatable, and verifiable.) Evolution is assumed , based on unreliable fossil records. That also means you can't rely on your mind to be giving you accurate information on evolution or anything really, since your mind would be a product of that change. You take it on faith. This actually means that he really thinks we can't think for ourselves. Garfield, bring the cuckoo with you when you return! Is that why you use a pack mentality when you are addressing me...? This is Slarti and garfield: Slartibartfast: "Bring the Cuckoo, garfield.. will ya? HuH huh? It'll be lots of fun 'cause you and me are pals, right Garfield, right?"LOL Classic. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Jan 7, 2013 11:07:00 GMT 10
Correction for you Veritas... Evolution is assumed , based on reliable fossil records.  It has been reported that "80 to 85% of Earth's land surface does not have even 3 geologic periods appearing in 'correct' consecutive order" for Evolution. "Fossils are a great embarrassment to Evolutionary theory and offer strong support for the concept of Creation." (Dr. Gary Parker, Ph.D., Biologist/paleontologist and former Evolutionist) |
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Post by pim on Jan 7, 2013 11:25:21 GMT 10
in a couple of hundred years it will all be gone You might even be right, Buzz! And replaced by ...? Religion follows Darwin's laws of natural selection too. A religion exists across a period in history - or several periods in history - within a particular set of geopolitical environments. Take Christianity: in its initial period it existed for 3 centuries as a largely despised minority cult within a largely polytheistic pagan universe, which itself was hugely diverse and subject over the centuries to many changes. The old Roman pantheon of early republican Rome in the time of Cincinnatus had changed quite considerably by the time of the last great persecutions of Christians under Diocletian nearly a millennium later. But what I'm saying is that Christianity in its early years breathed the air of its environment which was a pagan one. You can see that in the names we give to the days of the week and the months of the year. In its second 300 years Christianity existed as a Mediterranean phenomenon wracked by Christological disputes - i.e. the nature of Christ. Hence all the councils - Nicea, Chalcedon etc. So from minority cult in an environment that varied between indifferent and hostile (a bit like the Scientologists today, or the Mormons) to a position where it was at the apex of power and the main show in town. These are forces that acted upon it and shaped the way it has come down to us. Then you get the next 300 years in which a shattering event happened that probably more than anything else shaped how Christianity was going to evolved and that was the rise of Islam which cleared Christianity out of north africa and most of the middle east and confined it to Europe. The next 300 years saw the Schism between East and West which gave rise to the Papacy in the West and the Orthodox tradition in the East. You might say that Western Christianity under the Pope was the first example of Protestantism. It also saw the Crusades which, apart from what it did to the Middle East, fatally weakened Christian Constantinople and set the scene for the Fall of Constantinople and the Islamisation of all of Anatolia and large parts of the Balkans. The next 300 years saw the fracturing of Western Christianity in the Protestant Reformation which provided an ethical basis for the rise and development of capitalism, and a focus on the individual which is such a feature of god bothering bible bashing today. Si I dunno, Buzz!! It seems that Christianity, far from degenerating, is actually following the rules of natural selection and evolution described by Darwin! A few hundred years ago Christians were still conducting witchcraft trials. It's highly likel that great Protestant Reformers like Martin Luther or John Calvin mightn't recognise the 21st century's diverse versions of Christianity as "Christianity"! Certainly the Borgia Popes wouldn't have!! So what about 300 years from now? Who knows!! I don't, and most importantly neither do you! But I'm prepared to bet that "something" will be around in 300 years that calls itself "Christian". It mightn't mean much to people like you and me who have grown up in the 20th century and are headed towards their dotage in the 21st. But it'll mean something to people 300 years from now. What's more there will also be a phenomenon around in 300 years that will call itself "Muslim" that wouldn't mean much to Muslims today. Evolution, Buzz! It happens to religion too!! People hav invented and re-invented "God" down through the ages to suit the times and the circumstances in which they live. Who says that process is going to stop!! |
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