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Post by matte on Oct 22, 2021 22:12:35 GMT 10
I fully agree. This is why the woke are the biggest threat. Strewth Matt when I told you to “get a grip” earlier on this thread I meant get a grip on some common sense, not your cock! No time for that, I have a 15 minute talk to prepare for church on Sunday. Still holding it outdoors to avoid the mask rules.
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Post by matte on Oct 23, 2021 17:33:10 GMT 10
I will make an educated assumption, I will not ask. If you have to have a cry about me calling you a she or he, go get help!
Say no to woke.
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Post by pim on Oct 23, 2021 19:26:10 GMT 10
I will make an educated assumption, I will not ask. If you have to have a cry about me calling you a she or he, go get help! Huh? And WTF are you talking about? Please supply the link. Or is this one of your “look over there!” distractions? Actually I laugh as more and more you post videos of Andrew Bolt and his fellow cockroaches in Sky News After Dark as they descend further and further into the pit of their own irrelevance on climate change. What’s left to these pathetic creepy crawlies but culture wars. Rage Matt! Rage at whatever culture war Sky News proclaims on any particular day. As the world moves on you can be sure Matt will still be there raging about some culture war or other.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 27, 2021 11:11:04 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Oct 27, 2021 13:19:48 GMT 10
Another culture war. I’m fortunate in that there’s no ambiguity about my gender. I’m 6’4” male with all the appropriate equipment and I’m happy that way. Happy are they for whom their gender is a straightforward binary matter of being either one or the other. Alas it’s not so straightforward for everyone as people who work in the fields of obstetrics or paediatrics would tell you. The ethical issues that confront health care professionals when a newborn baby presents with hermaphroditism are ones that I’m thankful I’ve never had to deal with. The very word “hermaphroditism” suggests that there’s nothing new in the phenomenon of gender ambiguity. Hermes was a Greek god and Aphrodite was a goddess. I realise that Mad Matt loves to dredge up these topics as part of his life’s mission of Permanent Culture War but I think I’ll bow out of it at this point before it turns into something unedifying and disrespectful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 13:54:53 GMT 10
Yet you refer to God as 'He' ? Show me his penis I guess calling God 'It' diminishes Its power
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Post by ponto on Oct 27, 2021 14:12:03 GMT 10
The old testiclements bible states Adam was created in the image of god....considering the bible was written by men its not surprising...then in paganism its mother goddess...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 27, 2021 14:18:52 GMT 10
Yet you refer to God as 'He' ? Show me his penis I guess calling God 'It' diminishes Its power No I don't. The Bible refers to Him as a man. And I follow the Bible. I do not choose it. If you don't like it, follow another path; but you won't be following the God of the Bible...
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 27, 2021 14:20:32 GMT 10
The old testiclements bible states Adam was created in the image of god....considering the bible was written by men its not surprising...then in paganism its mother goddess... What men decide to call Him does not diminish His nature in the slightest. You cannot change what one is by merely by making a declaration to the world, and demanding that they conform to your wishes. Just because I declare myself to be "the smartest person in the world", doesn't mean it is factually so. Nor does it mean you need to honour me in that belief.
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Post by pim on Oct 27, 2021 15:25:23 GMT 10
The old testiclements bible states Adam was created in the image of god....considering the bible was written by men its not surprising...then in paganism its mother goddess... The question of who wrote the Bible goes back so deeply into the middle eastern Bronze Age that it will probably remain contested for as long as casuists and other hair-splitters are capable of debating the number of angels who can fit on a pinhead. What is undeniable is that the Bible was edited by men. So much for history and biblical exegesis. As for the pronoun “he” to refer to the God of the Bible, you should remember that no matter what version of the Bible you read, whether King James, Good News or any of the other versions, if they’re in English they’re translations from ancient languages and goodness knows what they did with pronouns in Aramaic. I’m no expert on Greek, whether the modern Demotic Greek that’s spoken today or the Classical Greek that St Paul would probably have spoken as a first language but I can say with confidence that it distinguishes between grammatical gender and the gender of a living person. In German and Dutch for example the word for “child” is “Kind” and it’s neuter gender. So is the word for “girl”. So the pronoun is “it”. In French the word for “table” is the same as in English but here’s the thing: it’s feminine so the pronoun is “she”. But here’s the killer: in French the word for “vagina”, which is “vagin”, is masculine so the pronoun is “he”. In fact in all of the languages directly descended from Latin - Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Provençal, Catalan, Romanian, Rhaeto-Romansh, Sardinian, Corsican and any obscure dialects and patois that I might have missed out, there is no neuter gender so everything and everyone is either “he” or “she”. So who knows how God was referred to as the Hebrew Bible began to take shape during the Babylonian Captivity - pace Occam, I’m not claiming knowledge that I don’t have and I’m sure you know more about the sources of the Bible than I would learn in a dozen lifetimes. My point is that that the use in English of the masculine pronoun to refer to the God of the Bible is an attempt to render into modern English texts whose sources date back to the Bronze Age.
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Post by ponto on Oct 27, 2021 21:34:14 GMT 10
"Ain't necessarily so"...
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Post by pim on Oct 27, 2021 22:24:08 GMT 10
It’s not about the Bible as true historical narrative, it’s about the Bible as cultural artefact. Ponto you brought up the issue of gendered language. I was endeavouring to put the gendered language in its context.
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Post by pim on Oct 27, 2021 22:26:13 GMT 10
Grovelling apologies Ponto, I did you an injustice. It was Grim who brought up the gendered language, not you.
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Post by ponto on Oct 27, 2021 22:33:25 GMT 10
S'oK....Jesus needed a mother so why not God itself...
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Post by pim on Oct 27, 2021 23:08:48 GMT 10
S'oK....Jesus needed a mother so why not God itself... Your intent was to make a light-hearted flippant remark but totally unintentionally and innocently with your “itself” you touch on something about the English word “god” which is supported by linguistic evidence. English is a Germanic language and our word “god” is the same, or pretty darned similar, to the word for “god” in other Germanic languages. In Dutch there’s no difference in the way you write it. It’s “god” just like in English. Pronunciation is different because the Dutch language gargles the letter “g” down in the throat. Think of the sound you’d make if you gargle without water. That’s how you pronounce a “g” in Dutch. In German it’s “Gott” where the “g” is the same as the English “g”. In Swedish it’s “Gud” and pronounced “gewd” to rhyme with “lewd”. How crude! Remind me one day to share with you the limerick about the lewd nude in Bermuda. The research shows the word originated from the old Germanic word for “to pour” because in pre-Christian pagan times the Germanic tribes would pour a libation to the gods with names like Thor and Odin so the word had the idea of “that which you pour a libation for”. Nothing masculine or feminine in that idea. The gods of our Germanic ancestors were forest gods. It’s all in the trees, mate. Like in the old song “I talk to the trees / That’s why they put me away”
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 28, 2021 2:28:35 GMT 10
S'oK....Jesus needed a mother so why not God itself... Jesus needed a mother for his human nature, but the Bible also implies he existed prior to his physical existence. Jesus held both natures simultaneously. He was not a demigod, he was fully God and fully man. So the answer is both yes and no. God himself never had a physical existence, thus had no need for a mother. Still trying to wrap my head around the trinity, and it still eludes many theologians but it looks something like this:
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Post by Occam's Spork on Oct 28, 2021 6:13:19 GMT 10
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Post by ponto on Oct 28, 2021 9:00:35 GMT 10
Proclaiming to be Christian is not necessarily making one a Christian, evangelical Christianity is not Christianity...because God told me so.
Revelation 1:13, in the King James Version, says, “And I saw in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle”. “Paps” is the archaic word for a woman’s breasts. In the Greek, the word used is the plural mastos, which the lexicon defines as “the breast, esp.,of the swelling breast of a woman”. Rarely, the plural was used to refer to a man’s breasts, but the prevailing sense is female. The fact that the figure in this passage from Revelation wore a “girdle”, or cincture, about the breasts—the modern equivalent would be a brassiere—confirms that the breasts in question are female. Indeed, the New English Bible translates the plural as though it were a singular—“with a golden girdle round his breast”. The New Revised Standard Version tried to avoid any embarrassment by wrongly translating it as “chest”.[6]
Implying Jesus was a hermaphrodite....both male and female.
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Post by pim on Oct 28, 2021 11:11:09 GMT 10
Sounds fair enough to me. After all he could have come down as a Downs Syndrome dwarf with a cleft palate, spina bifida, multiple sclerosis and a heart murmur.
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Post by ponto on Oct 28, 2021 15:00:53 GMT 10
A fairly androgynous chap...or chapette...
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Post by pim on Oct 28, 2021 15:39:12 GMT 10
HERMAPHRODITOS Greek Name Ἑρμαφροδιτος Transliteration Hermaphroditos Latin Spelling Hermaphroditus Translation Hermaphrodite, Effeminate HERMAPHRODITOS (Hermaphroditus) was the god of hermaphrodites and of effeminates. He was numbered amongst the winged love-gods known as Erotes. Hermaphroditos was a son of Hermes and Aphrodite, the gods of male and female sexuality. According to some he was once a handsome youth who attracted the love of a Naiad nymphe Salmakis (Salmacis). She prayed to to be united with him forever and the gods, answering her prayer, merged their two forms into one. At the same time her spring acquired the property of making men who bathed in its waters soft and effeminate. Hermaphroditos was depicted as a winged youth with both male and female features--usually female thighs, breasts, and style of hair, and male genitalia
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Post by ponto on Oct 28, 2021 16:42:47 GMT 10
Best of both worlds...?
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Post by pim on Oct 28, 2021 17:57:58 GMT 10
Fishy!
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Post by caskur on Oct 28, 2021 19:01:00 GMT 10
The woke nutters have taken the 'American way,' out of, truth, justice and the American way.
Dopey clods.
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Post by caskur on Oct 28, 2021 19:45:59 GMT 10
S'oK....Jesus needed a mother so why not God itself... The first thing Jehovah created was Jesus (it is all in chapter 1 of Colossians). Yehshua is Jesus name in Hebrew. He is now King of Jehovah's Kingdom and in Revelation he is Michael, the Archangel. Archangel means CHIEF ANGEL. There is only one chief angel. He is the ransome sacrifice...remember how ancient Israelites sacrificed their best, cows, or sheep, or doves? That was to remind them that one day Jehovah was going to send his best to be sacrificed for our sins and buy back what Adam lost. You should pay attention. We are on the brink of being restored. Perfect earth, perfect humans... that is the promise.
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