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Post by caskur on Aug 2, 2020 17:52:00 GMT 10
Well, do you wonder why they needed close supervision?
I don't.
I wonder if they could be trusted to behave civilly, those sort of places wouldn't need to exist.
The policies of the last 30 years have been pathetic. They should have been treated like every other accountable person and not pets.
Every single thing has been put on a plate for them and they CHOOSE to misbehave... Sorry, not sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 18:06:37 GMT 10
In public and indigenous housing where drugs and alcohol addiction is a problem housing gets wrecked, black, white or brindle people.
With Aboriginals there whole way of life has been disrupted and that has created a disconnect.
Build on strong communities.
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2020 0:19:32 GMT 10
<sigh> Whatever ... When I went to Taree High School the Purfleet kids lived in houses like this: ... and this pic is an official one for whitefella propaganda purposes portraying Purfleet as some sort of Potemkin village with the indigenous inhabitants as smiling little black Sambo’s who knew their place. The reality was quite different. You don’t know what I know about how indigenous people live - either back then or now. Wilcannia NSW - doesn’t look like the lap of luxury to me ...
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Post by caskur on Aug 3, 2020 3:53:52 GMT 10
In public and indigenous housing where drugs and alcohol addiction is a problem housing gets wrecked, black, white or brindle people. With Aboriginals there whole way of life has been disrupted and that has created a disconnect. Build on strong communities. Not on my side of the country. Your excuses fall on deaf ears. Our country has a drug and alcohol problem and encouraged by misplaced bleeding hearts like you. Their way of life before settlement was not utopic as you would have people believe. Fix the drug and alcohol problem in all the clans in Australia and you'll fix 80% of our current troubles. When Covid-19 gets in the indigenous population they'll fell like an Indonesian forest. They have pre-existing medical conditions that is why our Prem. allowed the Kimberley to be opened last.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 7:37:12 GMT 10
It was utopia for the Aboriginal people before white settlement, and why the Aboriginal people have a strong connection with culture.
Hunting and fishing gave them a good diet, they did not have to work all day to get a feed, which gave them time for the arts and story telling.
There are many Aboriginal communities that have bans on drugs, tobacco and alcohol limits.
While there is bad there is positives ...focusing only on the bad is no solution.
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2020 8:38:34 GMT 10
When the First Fleet dropped anchor on 26 January 1788 at a natural anchorage near a fresh water source that they decided to call Sydney Cove in a harbour on the east coast that Cook had named Port Jackson 18 years previously, the local Dharug, Eora, Cammareaygal and other Koori communities whose names are lost to us would have been in much better health and physical condition than the miserable specimens of whitefella “gubba” convicts who shuffled off the ships with their chains clanking after their six month ordeal as human cargo on those convict transports. We’re not talking about a cruise on the Ruby Princess here! And before they’d set off down the Solent from Portsmouth six months previously they’d have eked out an existence as prisoners under sentence in the rotting hulks on the Thames. Those convicts would have been miserable looking wretches, and they’d have smelled like it too. No wonder the Koori word for whitefella is “gubba”. It means “ghost”. These convicts would have looked and smelled like death warmed up. By contrast the local Koories, the harbour tribes, would have enjoyed a varied diet of seafood and game meat before the arrival of whitefellas. Conservative historian Geoffrey Blainey estimates maybe 4 hours a day to support their traditional lifestyle. A growing number of First Nations historians support this view. Indigenous poet Kath Walker (Oodgeroo) laments the passing of the four hour day in her poem “No More Boomerang”.
A four hour day ... strewth the whitefella unions would love to win those sorts of working conditions ...
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2020 8:39:06 GMT 10
NO MORE BOOMERANG
No more boomerang No more spear; Now alll civilized- Colour bar and beer.
No more corroboree, Gay dance and din. Now we got movies, And pay to go in.
No more sharing What the hunter brings. Now we work for money, Then pay it back for things.
Now we track bosses To catch a few bob, Now we go walkabout On bus to the job.
One time naked, Who never knew shame; Now we put clothes on To hide whatsaname.
No more gunya, Now bungalow, Paid by hire purchase In twenty year or so.
Lay down the stone axe, Take up the steel, And work like a mate For a white man meal.
No more firesticks That made the whites scoff. Now all electric, And no better off.
Bunyip he finish, Now got instead White fella Bunyip, Call him Red.
Abstract picture now- What they coming at? Cripes, in our caves we Did better than that.
Black hunted wallaby, White hunt dollar; White fella witch-doctor Wear dog-collar.
No more message-stick; Lubras and lads Got television now. Mostly ads.
Lay down the woomera, Lay down the waddy. Now we got atom-bomb, End everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 9:06:31 GMT 10
No more walkabout...hang around house and the rubbish mounts and disease spreads.
Lay down the woomera, Lay down the waddy. Now we got atom-bomb, End everybody. <add in pandemic
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Post by Gort on Aug 3, 2020 10:51:00 GMT 10
Tony Nutt was his name. I cannot believe his signature... Anyway, I emailed Pauline's letter from Jail to the PM's office and he replied. Speaking of Pauline ... One Nation goes high-tech: Queensland election: One Nation offers digital choiceJAMIE WALKER ASSOCIATE EDITOR 7:27PM JULY 31, 2020 One Nation staffer James Ashby. Picture: Peter Lorimer The Hanson party will invite voters to run their preference choices through an online app, testing the limits of electoral law for Queensland’s COVID-gripped general election. One Nation has embraced the cutting edge technology to ramp up pressure on both major parties at the October 31 poll in Pauline Hanson’s home state. The app, a digital companion to the conventional printed how-to-vote card, will coach users to order the ballot paper to the detriment of either Labor or the Liberal National Party, depending on which side the voter most disliked. Compulsory preferential voting in Queensland means people must number every square when they vote at the state level. Senator Hanson’s right hand man, James Ashby, said the app would empower One Nation supporters to maximise their say and avoid inadvertently voting informal. It made sense when COVID-19 social distancing restrictions were likely to limit the presence of party volunteers at polling stations and the distribution of how-to-vote cards. “I think this is a changing environment, and not only because of COVID,” Mr Ashby said. “What I saw at the federal election last year was a look on people’s faces of terror when they went to vote and had to face this horde of volunteers outside the booth … they don’t want to be harassed and pressured like that.” The move by One Nation came as Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk brushed off a Newspoll in this newspaper showing that the LNP narrowly led Labor, 51-49 per cent two-party preferred. She was adamant that containing the coronavirus was her sole concern. “Everyone is absolutely focused on dealing with this COVID response, whether that’s the health response or the economic response,” she said. “My cabinet is 100 per cent united in this. There is nothing more important.” Mr Ashby said One Nation’s planned app, now in the final stage of development by a private tech contractor, would provide a seat by seat voting guide to those who downloaded it, a first for Australian politics. It would ask the user: “Which of the two major parties would you least like to see govern?” Depending on their choice, the app would detail how the person should allocate their secondary votes to most disadvantage the major party concerned. But the Greens party would always be last on One Nation’s list. “If they put Labor as their least preferred government, the app will indicate a flow of preferences to put Labor next to last to the Greens,” Mr Ashby said. “If they don’t have confidence in an LNP government, it will put the LNP second from the bottom. We have always said that people ultimately own their preferences and … as far as we are concerned, let them make their own determination.” The Electoral Commission of Queensland said it had not seen the proposed One Nation app, but it was unlikely to need the agency’s approval to be rolled out for the state election. The app would, however, be required to show an authorisation from a One Nation representative and a contact address for that person. Mr Ashby said the party aimed to run in 91 of Queensland’s 93 state seats, the exceptions being those of Katter Australian Party leader Robbie Katter and his north Queensland colleague, MP Shane Knuth. Previously, it had mostly directed preferences against sitting MPs from the major parties. Both Labor and the LNP shun preference swaps with One Nation. Newspoll shows that the Hanson party’s statewide vote in Queensland has slipped from 13.7 per cent at the 2017 election to 11 per cent. Despite polling well above 20 per cent in some regional seats last time, only one One Nation MP was elected. Tipping a hung parliament after the October 31 election, Mr Ashby said One Nation’s record in the upper houses of the WA and NSW parliaments as well as in Canberra showed it could work constructively with Labor and coalition governments. www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/queensland-election-one-nation-offers-digital-choice/news-story/0cadcf3eda2c11725c1b721538d657e5
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Post by Gort on Aug 3, 2020 11:21:27 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 12:23:49 GMT 10
One can say Hanson is negative wired to somethin'...💥👩🦰💥💨
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Post by pim on Aug 3, 2020 12:46:47 GMT 10
But Trickles, you c&p overwhelmingly from Murdoch-owned publications, especially the Australian. Of course! Another faux “progressive” bandwagon ....
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Post by caskur on Aug 3, 2020 19:20:07 GMT 10
It was utopia for the Aboriginal people before white settlement, and why the Aboriginal people have a strong connection with culture. It wasn't utopia for them at all. They died young. They had no medicine for infections for starters. You've been lead down the garden path by the bullshit various documentaries have you believe. Their diet was of food was constantly smoked. I don't know about you but I like a BBQ now and then, not every single day of my life. Why do you think once they tasted white fella food they started to try and steal it all the time causing them to become dead or imprisoned? I'm not going to bother enlightening you about pre-settlement aboriginal life because some people like you never listen and 15 years ago on these boards I c&p'd articles from early time books where their lives were documented. Re-write history anyway you like it. Unlike Buzz, I detest going over the same shit eternally. Believe what you want.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 0:37:31 GMT 10
Your basing your blinkered judgement on white euro culture utopia....while a tough existence it was their vision utopia and culture.
My vision of utopia is a democratic socialist society that builds on equality, and takes climate change seriously...such as it is, I live in a capitalist pig society that will privatise health and education and doesn't take climate change seriously which will cause global calamity, and there we have it...white honkie utopia is killing the planet, Aboriginal utopia did not.
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Post by pim on Aug 4, 2020 1:01:55 GMT 10
“Democratic socialism” - achievable, but alas not peacefully. It’s called the class struggle: those wot “have” won’t give up their ill-gotten gains out of the goodness of their hearts to those whose labour made it all possible. Think Clive Palmer.
“Taking climate change seriously” - now here’s where it gets controversial. You see there’s capitalism like the robber baron type we have Down Under with its cronyism that’s based on resource extraction and export. You can’t reason with the Clive Palmers and the Gina Rineharts of this world. They have to be defeated. And there’s western European capitalism, especially in the north west of Europe, that has a very good track record on cutting carbon emissions, eliminating photo-chemical smog, cleaning the waterways (you can go fishing in the Rhine and the Danube again - even in the UK the sludgy old Thames that used to be an open sewer has clear water again. And fish!) and developing the necessary creativity for green manufacturing and eco friendly cityscapes, thus proving that there is no [inherent[/i] contradiction between capitalism and action on climate change. Just don’t expect a happy green economy in Australia. Not that there aren’t small businesses and primary producers who are “green” in their outlook. In fact there’s no shortage of them! It’s just that there’s no place for them in our political culture such as it stands.
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Post by caskur on Aug 4, 2020 2:38:28 GMT 10
Your basing your blinkered judgement on white euro culture utopia....while a tough existence it was their vision utopia and culture. My vision of utopia is a democratic socialist society that builds on equality, and takes climate change seriously...such as it is, I live in a capitalist pig society that will privatise health and education and doesn't take climate change seriously which will cause global calamity, and there we have it...white honkie utopia is killing the planet, Aboriginal utopia did not. Ummm, lemme tell you something, we're already on the verge of global calamity. We have gone past surviving and anyone who can google capital city to capital city and view their dead water-ways and filthy plastic pollution will recognize that fact. You know, I took pictures the other day and zoomed in on a section of our habour. Can you see the rubbish between the rocks? There are bins EVERYWHERE where I live and still pigs throw rubbish everywhere. So I was zooming in from this far away... And here is the rubbish.
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Post by pim on Aug 4, 2020 8:13:01 GMT 10
There is no inherent contradiction between support for a green economy and taking climate change seriously, and conservative politics. Only in Australia where the conservative non-Labor side of politics has been captured by fossil fuel and mining interests. There’s no hope for them, no point in expecting anything good from them. There will be no epiphany or road-to-Damascus moment for these people. They’ll have to be consigned to the oblivion of political irrelevance in a landslide electoral wipeout.
But to be a conservative doesn’t automatically mean you reject the green economy and that you oppose meaningful action on climate change ...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 11:50:40 GMT 10
While it is business that motivates climate action no country is top of the list to prevent climate change...democratic socialist countries the pick of the bunch and due to the stalling of climate denying neo liberal conservatism change has been slow, possibly to slow. In Europe for the most it is business that is driving change the governments tagging along, in Australia it has been the conservatives screaming and dragging their heels...coal is good.
Koalas (not just) are becoming extinct because of loss of habitat, habitat loss is due to the neo liberalism of growth via immigration. And now how do you undo all the wall to wall housing estates that was once forest...its just talking words to say 'plant more forest' as a solution, its whole ecosystems that are collapsing as the ecology and environment is severely damaged and will take a long time to heal.
Its not rocket science yet science was ignored when the science said the unfettered growth its unsustainable, they did not listen and are not listening now, just talk and all no action.
Where is the Koala NP corridor that was determined decades ago..?..logging came first.
Like Trump and Corona virus its with local governments don't do the counts and then everything is hunky dory.
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Post by pim on Aug 4, 2020 14:17:32 GMT 10
Like everyone I mourn the loss of koala habitat and the gruesome death of so many of the koalas. Who wouldn’t? And that’s kinda the point: it’s easy to mourn the loss of the cute & furry picture postcard animals that are endemic to this country. Shoot, the koala carnage on Kangaroo Island was horrific. The irony is that koalas weren’t indigenous to K.I. which was cut off from the Fleurieu Peninsula mainland 10 000 years ago when the sea levels rose at the end of the last Ice Age and created the Backstairs Passage. Geologically speaking the island is the southern extremity of the Mount Lofty Ranges which in turn are part of the Flinders Ranges. The koalas were introduced to K.I. as a part of a program of wildlife conservation. The irony is that when the fires hit and destroyed half the island (which is 150km long so that’s a lot of habitat destruction) what had been a sanctuary became a death trap. Even the bean counters who understand the cost of everything and the value of nothing can mourn the loss of all those koalas because you can put a $$ figure on what it costs the tourist industry. So let’s have a minutes silence for the koalas. But what about the other species? The slimy wormy creepy crawlies, the loss of which is so huge that we could, and probably should, be talking about a mass extinction event. How about the Gippsland earthworm? Seriously! Here’s one of them ... They average a metre in length and 2cm in diameter. Here’s what Wikipedia says about them ... They’ve been a part of the natural Gippsland environment for millions of years and doubtless play a vital role in the natural ecology. They’d certainly be part of the food chain although I think kookaburras who normally like creatures that slither and slide might find them to be a bit of a beakful! Whenever I’ve been in Europe and the topic has turned to our native wildlife I’ve always been sure to mention the Gippsland Earthworm. Invariably the reaction is disbelief: European sceptic: that’s not a worm, that’s a snake! Me: No that’s a worm! They then invariably double down and it becomes a debate over the difference between a worm and a snake. When it gets to the point of the actual sound these creatures make as, “Dune-like” they forge their way nearly two feet underground the European sceptic defaults to denial: European sceptic: that can’t be true. Worms don’t make noise. So it’s not a worm. See I was right! Me: Europeans didn’t believe the platypus was real either when the first sample was sent for examination by the Royal Society in London. Trust me. That’s a worm. Ask the local aborigines if it’s a worm. And so on, fruitlessly ... So how have these creatures fared as the Gippsland environment suffered massive destruction last summer? I couldn’t tell you to be honest but I bet it wasn’t good for them. Koalas pluck at the heartstrings and they make good copy. But the blind slithering metre long worm that the local indigenous Bunwurrung people have called “karmai” for millennia and quite likely features in their Dreaming stories? Nah! Not sexy!
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Post by caskur on Aug 4, 2020 15:34:44 GMT 10
Mourning the loss isn't good enough. You have to be actively involved and protest like I do and be prepared to throw money into court actions like I do.
Every time another immigrant + family come to Australia another block of virgin bush is cleared and native animals dead or displaced.
That might make you all glad, warm and fuzzy but is makes me seethe with anger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 17:01:44 GMT 10
All flora and fauna is endangered, worms to marsupials, antechinus to insects and reptiles, and all connected in interdependently ecologically ...its Koalas face extinction, Australia has the fastest rate of wildlife extinction.
There is a difference between endangered....savable....and extinction...annihilation cactus fucktus.
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Post by caskur on Aug 5, 2020 17:19:55 GMT 10
All flora and fauna is endangered, worms to marsupials, antechinus to insects and reptiles, and all connected in interdependently ecologically ...its Koalas face extinction, Australia has the fastest rate of wildlife extinction. There is a difference between endangered....savable....and extinction...annihilation cactus fucktus. Greedy overseas investors are driving buildings being built on cleared virgin bush. It is criminal action to any natural born Australian, especially people my age and over. Our youth couldn't give two knobs of goatshit, their noses are glued their cell phones. The schools have steered classes away from nature. We have jobs for people right this second if the government wanted to implement them... 1. plant trees and 2. clean up the plastic pollution on roadsides... There is a full time job forever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 18:59:35 GMT 10
Dunno if its overseas investors alone, clearly its Australians driving housing development that clears wildlife habitat, to a point that the iconic cuddly Koala faces extinction. How fucked is that and they still don't care, more people good.
And that sort of ideology equates to the human race is doomed if carries on caring not for the environment and the fauna and flora.
For reasons that don't make sense the forestry's decided Australia needed pine planation's, plantations that often do no make it to maturity, burnt useless by fire. Even after the recent fires the loggers say we cannot use the burnt eucalypt trees we need to log the unburnt forest.
Where I live the shire Mayor announced, because it may cost logging jobs, that the shire doesn't have Koalas so no point in doing a Koala count, the council will donate to saving Port Macquarie Koala's .....mean while the local Aboriginal community were instrumental in saving the town state forest from being logged to help save Koala habitat.
There are small wins but no where enough.
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Post by caskur on Aug 5, 2020 20:35:10 GMT 10
Dunno if its overseas investors alone, clearly its Australians driving housing development that clears wildlife habitat, to a point that the iconic cuddly Koala faces extinction. How fucked is that and they still don't care, more people good. And that sort of ideology equates to the human race is doomed if carries on caring not for the environment and the fauna and flora. For reasons that don't make sense the forestry's decided Australia needed pine planation's, plantations that often do no make it to maturity, burnt useless by fire. Even after the recent fires the loggers say we cannot use the burnt eucalypt trees we need to log the unburnt forest. Where I live the shire Mayor announced, because it may cost logging jobs, that the shire doesn't have Koalas so no point in doing a Koala count, the council will donate to saving Port Macquarie Koala's .....mean while the local Aboriginal community were instrumental in saving the town state forest from being logged to help save Koala habitat. There are small wins but no where enough. Trust me, it's overseas investors. Go to my tree group... read down the lists... I find out what company is "developing" an area then I look for the investors and who owns the company. (that's how I know) we've been stopping developments left, right and centre!~ See one minute you might be dealing with Australians then they sell the companies to overseas people. We cannot keep up the the shitbaggery that goes on. www.facebook.com/groups/1851377431778021/?should_open_composer=falseAlso my niece and an aunt rented at 2 separate places that were OWNED by UK people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 21:34:21 GMT 10
Overseas companies and local....the almighty buck rules.
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