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Post by jody on Feb 1, 2020 16:23:25 GMT 10
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Post by bender on Feb 1, 2020 17:14:06 GMT 10
Jody I'd be inclined to believe a lower figure due to the number of people who've died (about 250). Given that this virus has a mortality rate of about 5% you'd expect around 5,000-10,000 people are infected and I believe the Chinese Governments latest figures show about 9,000 infections reported.
If there were 90,000 infections you'd expect a death toll of about 2,500, or if it's less (with 90,000 infections) then it means that this virus is less lethal or has become less lethal with each subsequent generation.
Similarly, it's unlikely to be a biological weapon because it is both too indiscriminate and not lethal enough. What's the point of a weapon that only kills about 5% of those people it infects and given the medical resources that the Military can call on one would assume that the death rate to military personnel would be far less then the average.
The irony is that China's experience with SARS and the WHO's experience in controlling MERS along with this virus being less lethal then either of the former mean that the danger from this is relatively low, both to the Chinese and everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 18:10:27 GMT 10
RWer's are incline to believe in conspiracy theories...makes you wonder what virus they have been indoctrinated with.
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Post by jody on Feb 1, 2020 21:39:40 GMT 10
This coronavirus outbreak has had a mortality rate of 2% not 5% Legionnaires' disease has a mortality rate of 10% Hendra virus has a mortality rate of 70%
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Post by fat on Feb 2, 2020 21:58:14 GMT 10
Oh, and life has a mortality rate of 100% I saw that on TV - I think it was David Attenborough - he said it's the price we pay for sex.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 15:31:50 GMT 10
Why there is procreation, everything lives on through the off spring...and why humans do not have the right to drive other life to extinction.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 4, 2020 0:40:51 GMT 10
RWer's are incline to believe in conspiracy theories...makes you wonder what virus they have been indoctrinated with. One could suggest the above statement is a LW conspiracy theory.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 4, 2020 0:43:04 GMT 10
Oh, and life has a mortality rate of 100% I saw that on TV - I think it was David Attenborough - he said it's the price we pay for sex. I'm certain the cost would be more imminent should we choose to stop it entirely.
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Post by fat on Feb 4, 2020 6:56:21 GMT 10
Occam - i believe you are right.
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Post by pim on Feb 21, 2020 10:18:07 GMT 10
Morrison Relieved To Finally Have A Crisis That Involves Barring People From Entering AustraliaBy The Shovel on February 2, 2020 www.theshovel.com.au/2020/02/02/morrison-crisis-barring-people-australia/This sort of stuff really makes Scotty from Marketing's dayAfter weeks of being forced to deal with the boring details of the domestic bushfire crisis, Scott Morrison says he finally feels himself again after being given the opportunity to stop people from coming to Australia. “This is why I got into politics; this is what gets me up in the morning,” Mr Morrison said, announcing a ban of all Chinese people coming into Australia. “Let’s be honest, coordinating emergency relief for Australians who have lost everything is pretty boring really. But banning Asians from entering Australia is what makes me tick. This is what being Prime Minister of Australia is all about”. While many have been critical of the Prime Minister’s delayed response to the bushfires, insiders say Morrison is “110% engaged” in the coronavirus crisis. “He’s been working around the clock,” one staffer said. Mr Morrison had been holidaying with his family, but rushed back on the first flight home when advisors told him of the opportunity to ban foreigners. “Jen and the family will have to wait. This is far more important,” he said.
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Post by pim on Feb 21, 2020 10:24:58 GMT 10
Meanwhile, over at the HQ of the Murdoch Hate Media ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 6:31:06 GMT 10
Has to be Chinese communist green arsonist.....and coal cures cancer.
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Post by Gort on Mar 29, 2020 11:43:46 GMT 10
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Post by Gort on Apr 15, 2020 11:51:04 GMT 10
Meanwhile ... Wagga Wagga council are being a tad nasty: Wagga Wagga severs ties with Chinese sister city over 'death and destruction' from coronavirusNSW Nationals MP denounces council vote in Australian city as ‘nothing short of appalling’ Medical workers in Kunming amid the coronavirus outbreak. Wagga Wagga in NSW, Australia, has moved to cut ties with Kunming, its sister city. Photograph: China News Service/China News Service via Getty Images The city of Wagga Wagga has moved to formally sever ties with its sister cities in China, based on a report that claims the country’s regime is responsible for “death and destruction” from the coronavirus outbreak. The council vote was pushed through with the support of three conservative councillors, while others, including the city’s mayor Greg Conkey, were absent or unable to vote. Wes Fang, the Wagga Wagga-based Nationals member of the New South Wales upper house, last night said the decision was “nothing short of appalling”. Councillor Paul Funnell, the former president of the Democratic Labour party, tabled a report to Tuesday night’s council meeting proposing to end the sister city relationship with Kunming, as well as friendly relationships with the city of Tieling and province of Jiangsu. “We are therefore in relations with the totalitarian communist regime of the People’s Republic of China,” Funnell said. “This is the same Chinese communist government that delights in lies, subterfuge and coverups, for example by now trying to claim that the US military is responsible for the spread of Covid-19. “This very regime has brought death and destruction across the world with Covid-19. “If we don’t sever ties with the afore mentioned (sic) anti-democratic organisations we are giving tacit approval to the PRC regime that what they are doing is alright, just by our ongoing relationship. “We must show solidarity with all the victims of Covid-19, health care workers, frontline services, and also to our sister city and friends in places such as Fort Leavenworth in the United States. We must not show solidarity with the very regime that bears ultimate responsibility. “Council must do the right thing and take a stance to demonstrate its rejection of the corrupt Chinese government that has caused such death, destruction and turmoil across the world.” Funnell did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but told the Wagga News that “arguing against communism is not racism”. Given the way the vote was passed – a three-three tie, decided by the casting vote of an acting chair, who was decided from a drawing of lots – it will likely be subject to a rescission motion in the coming weeks. Vanessa Keenan, one of three councillors to oppose the motion, told Guardian Australia she was appalled by the motion. “It’s disgraceful that fear and hatred are being fuelled in our community by this meaningless action,” she said. “The actions of three people are not representative of who we are as a community here in Wagga.” Fang called on the city to rescind its decision. “To blame our sister city for the events in Wuhan is akin to blaming our other sister city, Nördlingen in Germany, for the events of the past two world wars,” he said. “Worse, it would be like Wagga Wagga being blamed for something happening in Brisbane, such is the scale of distance between the two cities in China. Would a similar motion have succeeded against Leavenworth, for something that occurred in a separate city within the United States of America? “The events of the past few months have been particularly difficult for those Chinese-Australians who love our country, but have been abused because of our name and our looks. Tonight’s decision only strengthens those opinions and bigotry against us. We are better than this as a city, a state and as Australians.” www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/15/wagga-wagga-severs-ties-with-chinese-sister-city-over-death-and-destruction-from-coronavirus
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 15:33:08 GMT 10
If the world doesn't get tough with the wet market trade then pandemic viruses will spread...next one will be worse, could specifically attack children...the next one after could be human engineered, if the technology falls into the wrong hands.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Apr 15, 2020 15:49:09 GMT 10
If the world doesn't get tough with the wet market trade Do you really think the Indonesians, Thais, Vietnamese, Cambodians and Chinese are going to take any notice of you?
They will carry on doing what they wish, whether you like it or not.
If you feel so strongly about it, then stop trading with all of those countries to give them the message.
Beg the Americans to take all the products you export to Asia so you don't go broke because of your principals.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 18:48:52 GMT 10
Its more serious than you are prepared to recognise....people have lost their jobs and livelihoods here and NZ and around the world, fuck China exporting pandemic's that is killing thousands of people forcing the use of mass graves.
These markets are not wanting to keep open to sell chooks, pigs, goats and fish...they want them open for the exotic meats, for a minority of people in China.
And the Australian government is already looking at returning manufacturing medical equipment to avoid China manufacture and if another pandemic breaks loose from China you can bet the world will lock down China.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Apr 15, 2020 20:23:04 GMT 10
These markets are not wanting to keep open to sell chooks, pigs, goats and fish...they want them open for the exotic meats, for a minority of people in China... ...and Indonesia and Thailand and Vietnam and Cambodia.
So I presume you're never going to holiday in any of those countries again (including Bali) and never purchase anything made in any of those countries and never purchase anything which has any components or raw materials from those countries (including rare earth metals) and never allow any doctor to prescribe medication which contains compounds from any of those countries? And if the answer is that you WILL continue to take advantage of stuff from those countries (including your smartphone and computer), then why? Don't you have any principals?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 7:19:58 GMT 10
Obviously not traveling anywhere for awhile....I'm sure the countries you listed have their lovely scenic areas, they are not on my bucket list to visit regardless...sometime down the track NZ and the Americas.
Obviously also your more interested in attacking the player as a diversion and not address the issue of wet markets which are spreading disease with the greatest of ease and then condoned by the WHO....what sort of principles do you have to think that shit AOK.
To reiterate China's wet markets selling wildlife are not traditional markets they started mid to late 1970's to counter famine after the cultural revolution....have you not seen how they de-fur a chervil cat or any furry animal...dropped live straight into a big wok full of boiling water...plucked out then chopped up for meat....these markets are extreme cruelty.
And your principles say that's all fine and dandy.
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Post by pim on Apr 16, 2020 8:29:32 GMT 10
Ponto he’s dug himself into his hole and means to keep digging.
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Post by Stellar on Apr 16, 2020 8:51:31 GMT 10
Just another example of small man/small country syndrome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 9:36:57 GMT 10
He'll keep digging until he reaches China...right into a wet market...
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Post by Stellar on Apr 16, 2020 10:36:32 GMT 10
Hopefully.
At present he remains a toxic virus on any board he infests. Happily he'll export it over there and that'll give them something to think about when it comes to spreading disease globally.
So on ya way Kiwi ... and keep digging!!
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Post by pim on Apr 16, 2020 12:40:46 GMT 10
It seems that the thread is moving from the coronavirus to the subject of wet markets. If we're going to talk about the harvesting of body parts, there's nothing new about the practice - we've established that fact well and truly - but it's not just confined to China and not just in Vietnam etc etc as KTJ keeps yelling at us from inside the deep hole he insists on digging for himself. Organised crime is involved and so are corrupt elements within governments. And so are we as end user consumers. I'm talking about the harvesting of human body parts that's done on an industrial scale within China and India - and probably elsewhere but that's supposition - to the point that the jails of China and the slums of India have become vast wet markets in human body parts. Let's say you're a kidney patient in an affluent Western country and you need a new kidney or face being hooked up to a dialysis machine for the rest of your life. The problem is the long long wait for a donor but you're told by your doctor, sotto voce, that they might be able to get you a new kidney "through special channels" if you're prepared to pay the price. No health insurance coverage for this one so it's big bucks. Meanwhile in China a condemned prisoner is being led out to be shot in the back of the head as per standard practice. After the prisoner has been executed the system kicks in and his kidneys are harvested, placed on ice and are on a Gulfstream jet bound for the West before the prisoner's body has been disposed of. Think about that for a moment and consider who has to get their cut in order to make it worth their while to avert their gaze between the time that the prisoner is executed to the operating theatre in a Western hospital. Who's involved here? Prison officials, road transport, whoever has to be paid off so that a suitable aircraft is made available (presumably we'd be talking about a consignment of body parts of which the kidneys of the dead prisoner would be one part) , customs officials - at both ends - etc etc right up to the hospital. We'd be talking about medical staff, surgeons and theatre staff plus ward staff plus hospital administrators who'd make the paperwork appear kosher. This is an industry on a vast scale requiring organisational skills to ensure just-in-time delivery. We're not talking petty crime here. This is organised crime on an industrial scale.
Wet markets - they're more ubiquitous than you think. And we're involved.
As a P.S. remember Alistair Cook? C'mon, of course you do!! He used to give the "Letter from America" talk every Sunday Night on what used to be called The Second Network of the ABC (before we had FM radio and the 2nd Network split into Radio National and ABC Classic FM) before the 7pm news: "This is the 2nd Network of the ABC: 2FC Sydney, 2NA Newcastle and 2CY Canberra" and you'd hear "Letter from America by Alistair Cook". He'd begun his weekly broadcasts during WW2 for the BBC and it was syndicated to public broadcasters throughout what was then the "Empire". It was required listening. He kept broadcasting, bless him, right into his 90s until his death in 2005. He was an institution. Anyhow, his body was stolen before it could be cremated:
and also ...
Made out your will, have you? Bought the plot in a cemetery for your remains (body or ashes) to be interred with the idea of minimising the running around by your nearest and dearest organising this and that? Can they be sure that the undertaker isn't on the take?
The illegal trade in body parts isn't just confined to animals. And not just to China.
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