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Post by Occam's Spork on Apr 27, 2019 13:03:04 GMT 10
And the Romans had a shitload of gods too. The Romans only assimilated the deities of other cultures. In most cases, a mockery of the Greek Pantheon.
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Post by KTJ on Apr 27, 2019 13:06:42 GMT 10
Still doesn't change the fact that the Romans had a shitload of gods.
Name one society which didn't believe in gods which also kept slaves.
Religion and slavery went hand-in-hand for millennia.
Religion is EVIL.
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Post by pim on Apr 27, 2019 13:33:50 GMT 10
Which were/are the "atheist" societies? That is, societies that defined themselves as "atheist". Note carefully what I say: a "secular" society isn't synonymous with a specifically "atheist" society. Do I hear you nominate the Soviet Union? You're right! It was officially atheist. But did it have slaves? You bet your arse it did!
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Post by pim on Apr 27, 2019 17:35:25 GMT 10
But wait! There's more! According to this website www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/china/ a little under 4 million people live in conditions of slavery. People trafficking is big business. Let's see now ... because of the now discredited One Child Policy there is a gender imbalance in China that leaves no fewer than 40 million young men of marriageable age with zero prospect of ever finding a marriage partner. The scope for sex slavery is enormous. And let's not get started on child labour where children are trafficked and are put to work for slave wages. In fact there are Chinese slaves near you. Go to any Chinatown. Oh, and in China ruled as it is by the Communist Party, the official policy is ... you guessed it ... atheism!
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Post by KTJ on Apr 27, 2019 18:12:25 GMT 10
For most of human history, slavery has been predominently practiced by humans who worship imaginary gods. That is a FACT.
And the christians' bullshit religious book even condones it.
In other words, religion is EVIL.
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Post by pim on Apr 27, 2019 18:57:45 GMT 10
Your "argument" is crap. The rest of the universe can see it. You can't. Your problem. Run along now.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Apr 28, 2019 3:03:52 GMT 10
For most of human history, slavery has been predominently practiced by humans who worship imaginary gods. That is a FACT. And the christians' bullshit religious book even condones it. In other words, religion is EVIL. The Bible doesn't condone it, it reports it. There is a difference.
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Post by pim on Apr 28, 2019 9:04:11 GMT 10
In his usual ill-informed Trumplike "alternative universe" half-formed way, Quasimodo is trying to argue some sort of bizarre cause-and-effect link between slavery and religious beliefs.
It's codswallop.
Slavery isn't caused or facilitated by religion except in a spirit of extreme sophistry. Atheist ideologies like Nazism and Communism justify their practice of slavery through some bullshit perversion of the Marxist class struggle dialectic. Same sophistry, different bullshit. Slavery is an economic model, period.
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Post by KTJ on Apr 28, 2019 9:49:42 GMT 10
For fuck's sake ... that bullshit book gives instructions for treating one's slaves.
Now if that isn't condoning the practice of slavery, then what is?
You religionists (it doesn't matter whether you are christian, mormon, JW, muslim, hindu, or whatever) all become really blind when the bullshit in your particular religion's bullshit instruction book is pointed out to you. And you ALL claim that YOUR god is the one true god and all the other gods are false gods.
No wonder those of us who are intelligent enough to not believe in unproven gods simply look at you with pity and roll our eyes.
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Post by pim on Apr 28, 2019 12:31:18 GMT 10
You’re still ascribing a cause-and-effect link between the Bible and slavery. So what is this? You’re trying to argue that without the Bible there wouldn’t have been slavery? That’s the same as the Muslim bashers who blame Islam for all sorts of notorious social practices such as the treatment of women in Afghanistan. You’ve descended to frothing-at-the-mouth hysteria and bigotry with your religion bashing Quasimodo. You’re mistaking your half-formed ignorant prejudices for sagacious insight and wisdom. You have zero understanding of economic history. Slavery existed in the ancient world and also in the plantation economies of the New World because it was the economic model that suited the prevailing conditions with its modes of production. But I doubt that you are even aware that there is a branch of historiography called “economic history”. Here’s a little factoid for you: Karl Marx is probably the father of economic history. But you have no understanding of any of this. You’re like Trump with his “alternative facts”. Basically you’re a screwball and a fuckwit.
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Post by pim on Apr 28, 2019 20:17:29 GMT 10
To deliver the coup de grace to Quasimodo’s stupid and phony non-“argument” regarding his cause-and-effect fantasy about slavery and religion, slavery exists today. It’s as strong as ever and it has nothing to do with religion. I’d recommend the following article to you Quasimodo but I realise you’re too thick and dumb to be able to deal with it. Nevertheless it highlights an issue that everyone should be concerned about so I post it for general enlightenment.
It’s common knowledge that slavery exists in the average Chinatown. Workers are brought into the country on 457 visas to work in restaurants or in various enterprises. The employer holds the passports of the workers and subjects them to wage theft and blackmail: shut up and behave or we’ll dob you in to the Dept of Home Affairs and get you deported. Foreign embassies in Canberra are protected by diplomatic immunity from inspection of the working conditions of domestic servants brought in from the home country. That would be equally true in Wellington. Or any other capital city that hosts foreign embassies.
But to continue ...
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Post by KTJ on Apr 28, 2019 20:27:08 GMT 10
And there you go again … talking to/talking about some fictional character from a 19th century work of fiction by the French author and poet Victor Hugo.
You're losing the plot, mate. On the verge of going ga-ga. Have you asked your doctor to carry out a test for dementia lately?
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Post by pim on Apr 28, 2019 20:32:33 GMT 10
Your arguments are half formed and irrelevant. Look up what “Quasimodo” means. Don’t bandy words with me fella! I eat dictionaries and style guides for breakfast
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Post by pim on Apr 28, 2019 20:43:09 GMT 10
457 visas are an example of government policy that actually fosters, encourages and protects slavery within Australia. Particularly among seasonal workers such as fruit pickers. Any country that has a special “guest worker” visa category these days is complicit in fostering, encouraging and protecting slavery within its own borders. That includes New Zealand. Slavery has to be understood as first and foremost an economic model if you’re going to deal with it effectively. Attempts by ignorant fuckwits like Quasimodo to make it part of a broader religion-hating agenda only confuse the issue and make it more difficult to deal with. Guess what Quasimodo, as regards slavery as with so many other things, you’re part of the problem!!
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Post by Occam's Spork on Apr 29, 2019 10:48:00 GMT 10
For fuck's sake ... that bullshit book gives instructions for treating one's slaves. Now if that isn't condoning the practice of slavery, then what is? So you think having ethical rules for the treatment of P.O.W.'s, made slaves, (who otherwise would have been slaughtered) is condoning slavery? The Hebrew people wandering the desert didn't have the resources for prisons or internment camps; so why wouldn't they make their prisoners work for their keep? Which rules do you take issue with? That they were to be freed after seven years? (Exodus 21:2), Instituting the death penalty for manstealing (Ex. 21:16), or any other institution they implemented for the protection of the slave?
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Post by Occam's Spork on Apr 29, 2019 11:49:00 GMT 10
Oy Vey, 40 years in the wilderness! ... I'm telling you Joshua, we're going around in circles already. Absolutely! You can't criticize the Bible without referring to it. What did you expect?!
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 2, 2019 4:28:36 GMT 10
In other words, religion is EVIL. -Equality (Galatians 3:28) -Helping the poor (Proverbs 19:17) -Love everyone (John 15:12) Yep. Clearly Evil.🙄
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Post by KTJ on May 2, 2019 8:46:49 GMT 10
In other words, religion is EVIL. -Equality (Galatians 3:28) -Helping the poor (Proverbs 19:17) -Love everyone (John 15:12) Yep. Clearly Evil.🙄 You can try to sugar-coat it as much as you like. I can come up with an equal number of passages from the bible espousing real nasty shit. As I posted, religion is EVIL.
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Post by pim on May 2, 2019 9:27:55 GMT 10
Quasimodo isn’t here to dialogue or to engage in reasonable debate. For him it’s all cut & thrust and no give & take. What he doesn’t understand is that if you delete “give & take” so all that’s left is “cut & thrust” then all you have left is Quasimodo chanting his mantras: “god delusion”, “religion is evil” etc etc ad nauseam - all of which is Quasimodo code for “I’m such a slack-arsed bludging lazybones hiding behind my anonymity that all I have to do is punch in a couple of hackneyed phrases over and over again and, whaddayaknow, I’m a fearless internet warrior!”
He calls it “debating”. The rest of the universe calls it trolling.
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Post by KTJ on May 2, 2019 10:12:20 GMT 10
Quasimodo??
A fictional charactor from a work of fiction written in the 19th century by Victor Hugo.
Is Quasimodo your invisible friend just like your invisible god?
You need to get checked to see if dementia is developing within your brain.
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Post by pim on May 2, 2019 10:24:19 GMT 10
Oh right. Quasimodo now has a stock response to the nic I've given him to encapsulate his half-baked mantras and hackneyed cliche-ridden bullshit. Note how by hitting his Quasimodo key he believes that lets him off the hook from addressing any concerns raised by me. You fool nobody, Quasimodo - except of course yourself but then what's new there!
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Post by KTJ on May 2, 2019 11:11:56 GMT 10
Poor Pim ... he thinks he is talking to a fictional character in a fictional 19th century novel as though that person is real.
I guess all that god brainwashing he received from the roman catholic church when he was young & impressionable has caused him to go ga-ga.
No doubt, within a couple of years, he'll be banged up in a secure dementia facility for his own and the public's safety.
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Post by KTJ on May 2, 2019 11:14:05 GMT 10
Anyway, now that the theists have posted three pages of bullshit in a desperate attempt to bury what the thread is about, it's time to re-post the original message. Amazing stuff from human scientists…
…who are rapidly doing away for the need for all that superstitious stuff contained in the various bullshit religion books as well as the need to follow that god delusion inside the imaginations of human beings.This is the first photograph of a black hole and its fiery halo, released by Event Horizon Telescope astronomers. It is the “most direct proof of their existence,” one of the project's lead scientists told Agence France-Presse. — European Southern Observatory/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images.(click on the photograph to open an entire page of links to stories about the Black Hole which has just been photographed by scientists)
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 3, 2019 1:43:19 GMT 10
I can come up with an equal number of passages from the bible espousing real nasty shit. I'm certain you could. Just as I could come up with an equal amount to show how you're mistaken. (Yes, I know how to type into a Google browser too.) But I take your post to imply that your religion is 'kindness', and if I'm not on board with your mindset... Well... You'll hate me. 😅
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Post by KTJ on May 3, 2019 3:22:56 GMT 10
This conversation is going to continue to go round and round and round in circles until YOU break the circle by not carrying it on.
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