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Post by slartibartfast on Dec 26, 2012 18:33:16 GMT 10
So you keep telling yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 18:39:44 GMT 10
So you keep telling yourself. No ,again you start with mistaken groundwork. Numerous law enforcement agencies, criminologists back that finding. Do the research yourself and don't be so lazy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 18:43:41 GMT 10
I find it odd that there are those here who, at once, fight for the right to life while fighting for the right to kill. Ironically people bemoan the attack on children in the supposed safety of a school yet have no problem in supporting the attack on defenceless babies in the supposedly ultimate safety of their mothers womb. No you're not supposed to shoot infants but society says it's okay to dissect or chemically burn infants to death for 'convenience.' I accept sometimes there are medical reasons ok but many abortions are done for convenience. Many 'enlightened ones' seemingly have no problem with this yet howl down the NRA whilst remaining zip lipped on the abortion mills.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 18:44:44 GMT 10
So you keep telling yourself. Yep.....and why aren't there so many gun deaths in Europe and Australia and New Zealand?
This faaaaarking idiot must think we are all more than a we bit stupid like he is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 19:06:21 GMT 10
I suppose Kiwi you don't do facts do you?
An inconvenient truth?
You can easily access the net and find a breakdown of US gun deaths but I suppose that doesn't gel with your hate filled agenda so you turn the issue to abuse on myself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 19:10:21 GMT 10
PS re:-
This faaaaarking idiot must think we are all more than a we bit stupid like he is.
I do love it when someone tries to abuse another poster whilst making such clangers of grammatical error. 'We' is that the royal we or do you mean 'wee?' I don't normally make a big thing of spelling errors but if you're going to abuse someone do try and get it right otherwise you end up looking a yet bigger dill. ;D
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Post by matt on Dec 26, 2012 19:15:29 GMT 10
The guy who killed those firefighters was not allowed to have a gun, yet as a criminal he did. Does anyone think he wouldn't have if the laws were different?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 19:22:48 GMT 10
The guy who killed those firefighters was not allowed to have a gun, yet as a criminal he did. Does anyone think he wouldn't have if the laws were different? Having the country awash with guns means it is easier for ANYBODY to get them.
Compare the USA with Canada, Europe, Australia and New Zealand to see the difference.
And guess which one of those countries has almost 50% of ALL civilian-owned guns in the world, yet has only 5% of the world's population!
Guess which one of those countries is regularly in the news for mass-shootings.
Kind of says it all, really, no matter how much spin & bullshit you rightie nutters try to put on it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 19:25:27 GMT 10
Dont confuse them with practical realities Matt, the lefties are in a Hare Krishna conga line of mantra chanting. If they say guns should be banned then Obama's anti gun fairy will float down from the sky and disarm EVERYONE. There won't be any illegal guns in their rose tinted world, the Mafia, MS-13, Crips, Bloods etc will disband as they can't obtain guns legally anymore right?
As you say this guy obtained them illegally.
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Post by pim on Dec 26, 2012 19:44:46 GMT 10
I suppose Kiwi you don't do facts do you? An inconvenient truth? You can easily access the net and find a breakdown of US gun deaths but I suppose that doesn't gel with your hate filled agenda so you turn the issue to abuse on myself. The inconvenient truth - for you and Matt, Skippy - is the debate that's raging in the US that doesn't fit in to your oh-so-convenient left/right divides. Such as this, for instance: www.nytimes.com/2012/12/22/opinion/the-nra-crawls-from-its-hidey-hole.html?_r=1&and, interestingly, how the gun laws enacted by John Howard's government are hailed by US "progressives" as a model to be emulated, and condemned by US rednecks as part of the "left" conspiracy to disarm red-blooded rootin' tootin' God-fearin' gun-totin' badass SOBs: www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opinion/the-gun-challenge-strict-laws-work.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 19:53:26 GMT 10
Disagree Pim, because you misrepresent my views.
Your track record on this and previous boards has been convenient stereotyping of myself rather than what I actually believe. I had hoped for a tad more integrity from yourself in that regard but not entirely surprised.
I wish there were changes possible that could prevent tragedies such as we have witnessed. My deepest hope is the NRA can contribute to that.
I'd be interested as to what you think Obama could do and how it would work in practice?
Just as the Nazi needed the Jew the leftist needs 'rednecks' ( in this case the millions of decent law abiding gun owners ) as scapegoats.
Please supply your litany of workable changes here?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 19:58:14 GMT 10
Okay....so to conclude this topic....
1. America is awash with guns.
2. Americans (of all descriptions) love killing each other.
3. US Presidents love killing non-Americans with bombers, drones, cruise missiles, etc.
4. Americans kill thousands of unborn kids every year.
5. All this means that Americans love having the means to kill, and love actually killing.
6. Life is cheap in American eyes.
There....does that adequately cover things?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 19:58:44 GMT 10
Your track record on this and previous boards has been convenient stereotyping of myself Skippy, the walking, talking Stereotype.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 20:06:31 GMT 10
Stereotypical Pratt, that is.
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Post by caskur on Dec 27, 2012 6:51:20 GMT 10
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Post by slartibartfast on Dec 27, 2012 7:04:56 GMT 10
The U.S. has about 10 times the population of Australia. The U.S. has 100 times the number of gun related deaths. The majority of those deaths being suicides, the rest being significantly street gang/drug related. And how many of those would not occur if it wasn't for guns? Nitwit.
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Post by slartibartfast on Dec 27, 2012 7:10:57 GMT 10
This is what skippy ignores. Attachments:
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Post by slartibartfast on Dec 27, 2012 7:42:22 GMT 10
3 Shot And Killed In Mich... 18-Year-Old Shot Multiple Times, Dies... Man Kills Wife, Teen, Himself... Man Shoots, Kills Own Son... Cops Shoot Teen Dead... Man Gunned Down In Parking Lot... 5 Dead In Spate Of Shootings... 2 Murdered In Philly... 2 Kansas Cops Shot Dead... Shooter Killed... 4 Die In Apparent Murder-Suicide... Ga. Cop Dies From Gunshot... Argument Leads Teen To Shoot Friend... Man Shot To Death...Teen Dies After Being Tied Up, Shot... Man Shot Dead In Street... Drug Deal Leads To Shooting Death... Mother Of 2 Killed In Road Rage Shooting... Man Shoots, Kills Intruder... 1 Killed In Coney Island... Man Dies From Gunshot Wounds... Cops Investigate Gun Death... Shooting Victim's Body Found On Bike Trail... Man Charged With Shooting Own Brother Dead... Man Dies After Being Shot In Chest... Body Of Shooting Victim Found In Pickup... Teen Arrested For Robbery Shooting Death... Man Carrying 2-Year-Old Son Shot Dead... Man Fatally Shot Near Home... Parolee Dies In Shooting... 1 Killed In Buffalo Shooting... Man Shot Dead In Apartment Complex... Street Gun Battle Kills Grandma Bystander... Man, Woman Dead In Apparent Murder-Suicide... Woman Shot Dead By Intruder... 14-Year-Old Arrested Over Fatal Gun Attack...Man Found Shot Dead In Parking Lot... Woman Shot In Face By Ex-Boyfriend... 1 Woman, 3 Men Shot Dead... 2 Die In Attempted Robbery... Army Reservist Shot To Death In Alley... Man Shot To Death In Bodega... 2 Shot Dead In Burned House... Man Shot During Break-In... Man Fatally Shot... 20-Year-Old Gunned Down... Man Shoots Self During Police Pursuit... 1 Killed In Baltimore Shooting... Cops ID Shooting Victim... 60-Year-Old Man Shot Dead... Shot Man's Body Found In Vacant House.... Woman Shot And Killed Outside Her Home... Shooting Victim Was 'Trying To Turn Life Around'... Slain Shooting Victim Found In Street.... Driving Altercation Leads To Shooting, 1 Dies... 3-Year-Old Dies In Accidental Shooting... Man Turns Self In After Allegedly Shooting Wife... Man Shot Dead Outside Home... 3 Slain In Separate New Orleans Shootings... Cops Investigate Shooting Death... Man Shot Dead In Ohio... Teen Shot To Death... Man Dies After Being Shot Multiple Times... Man Charged Over Son's Shooting Death...Cops Find 2 Men Shot Dead... 1 Dies In Shooting... Man Charged Over Gun Killing... 1 Shot Dead In Confrontation... Man Charged With Murder Over Shooting... Motel-Owner Shot And Killed... Husband Shoots Estranged Wife Dead... Suspect Arrested Over Deputy's Shooting Death... Police Probe Fatal Shooting... Cops Kill 2 Suspects In 3 Shooting Deaths... Man Killed Fighting Back Against Robber... Man Killed In Home Invasion.... Nightclub Shooting Kills 1... Child Brain Dead After Drive By Shooting... Man Charged Over Shooting Of Ex-Wife...Body Found In Vacant House... Teen Fatally Shot...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2012 13:05:48 GMT 10
Okay....so to conclude this topic....
1. America is awash with guns.
2. Americans (of all descriptions) love killing each other.
3. US Presidents love killing non-Americans with bombers, drones, cruise missiles, etc.
4. Americans kill thousands of unborn kids every year.
5. All this means that Americans love having the means to kill, and love actually killing.
6. Life is cheap in American eyes.
There....does that adequately cover things? No it doesn't even begin to cover things - No it doesn't , indeed it doesn't get to first base there are that many errors - sheesh for a supposedly decisive insight you've tripped at start - 1. America is awash with guns.Yes 2. Americans (of all descriptions) love killing each other.Really stupid statement - so does the anti-gun lobby and your poster boy Mark Moronford love killing? 3. US Presidents love killing non-Americans with bombers, drones, cruise missiles, etc.I doubt any President 'loves killing' but in your warped imagination why let the truth stand in the way of your hate filled agenda. Obama may have many faults but an enjoyment of killing I doubt is one of them. 4. Americans kill thousands of unborn kids every year.Wrong, they kill hundreds of thousands if not about a million unborn kids every year, something you support. 5. All this means that Americans love having the means to kill, and love actually killing.Only by your tortured imagination and limited analytical powers could you come to that extremist conclusion. In fact that interpretation casts so much doubt on your intellect as to harm you not Americans. 6. Life is cheap in American eyes.Thats why American society spends billions ( if not trillions ) on healthcare and foreign aid every year, yes Kiwi back to the drawing board. You played truant a lot at school didn't you?
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Post by bender on Dec 27, 2012 15:59:25 GMT 10
So you keep telling yourself. No ,again you start with mistaken groundwork. Numerous law enforcement agencies, criminologists back that finding. Do the research yourself and don't be so lazy. Strangely Skip, you're the only person who seems to be in possession of this gang related research material. Care to share your source?
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Post by slartibartfast on Dec 27, 2012 20:33:14 GMT 10
Tomato sauce bottle, no doubt.
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Post by Lord Stockton on Dec 29, 2012 21:48:36 GMT 10
I'd be interested as to what you think Obama could do and how it would work in practice?
IMO Very very little If the democrats did nothing after Nov 63, I suspect he will fail this time as well. Likewise the republicans did very little after the attempt on Regan's life.
SO while will this time be different?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 23:22:25 GMT 10
What do you see happening Phil?
Do you think the bloods , crips , MS-13 give a rat's rear about gun control?
What do you think is possible?
'Yes we can' did nothing while 464 kids in his hometown of Chicago died from gun homicides. He did nothing whilst Pakistani kids died from his drone policies.
He'll concentrate on the fights he can win ( like any pollie ) and lip service the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 23:26:37 GMT 10
Hahaha.....I love watching the desperation of the gun-lovers (and by implication the guns-killing-humans lovers).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 23:31:19 GMT 10
And talking about desperation....it's really tragic to see residents of the redneck (and mate-hating) states rushing out and buying yet more firearms at record sales levels because they are too dumb & stupid to even recognise their country has a huge problem with being awash with guns, including those with 100-round magazines designed to kill vast numbers of human beings within seconds, and because those same idiots are paranoid that the law is going to be changed in order to make it difficult for them to purchase another dozen or so firearms to add to the dozens each of them already has.
Who cares if the Sepos waste each other in huge numbers with their guns, eh? Perhaps they'll eventually self-exterminate themselves from the planet and in the process remove the gun-mindset those human vermin possess from the western world's human gene pool.
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