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Post by jody on Nov 18, 2012 22:05:24 GMT 10
It has nothing to do with a Church. Attachments:
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Post by fat on Nov 19, 2012 0:18:58 GMT 10
That is my soapbox subject when I preach - our worship is not an hour a week in the building - it is the 167 hours a week in community.
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Post by jody on Nov 19, 2012 7:16:43 GMT 10
Fat the way I see it is.....eventually (in a few hundred years) churches may be something of the past due to fast paced lifestyles etc but Christianity is in you. It is your heart and soul. That doesn't end. People will always "see the light" so to speak and not be able to deny what is truth.
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Post by fat on Nov 19, 2012 9:12:43 GMT 10
Yes. When Jesus said "I will build my church" - he didn't mean a cathedral, he meant his people.
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Post by jody on Nov 19, 2012 10:19:48 GMT 10
and that has nothing to do with God or what he stands for.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 24, 2012 7:50:05 GMT 10
Greek was the trade language of Rome.
It's very likely he DID speak Greek, Aramaic was likely not used as often.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 24, 2012 7:51:24 GMT 10
Grey, do not make the fallacy of judging the fringe as the whole.
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Post by jody on Nov 24, 2012 11:59:12 GMT 10
Earl...humans choose what they do. Stop blaming God.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 24, 2012 12:46:08 GMT 10
Greek was the trade language of Rome. It's very likely he DID speak Greek, Aramaic was likely not used as often. Lies flow from your mouth like water in a river. That Jesus spoke Aramaic there is no doubt. By Jesus’ time numerous local dialects of Aramaic had emerged. Jesus, like other Palestinian Jews, would have spoken a local form of Middle Aramaic1 called Palestinian Aramaic. Palestinian Aramaic developed along with Nabatean Aramaic (in the area around Petra in modern Jordan), Palmyrene Aramaic (in central Syria), Hatran Aramaic (in the eastern part of Syria and Iraq) and early Syriac (in northern Syria and southern Turkey). Together, these five dialects make up Middle Aramaic. Until the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls (beginning in 1947), Palestinian Aramaic was attested in only a few paltry inscriptions, on tombstones and on ossuaries (bone boxes). But with the discovery of those scrolls, more than a score of fragmentary texts written in Palestinian Aramaic came to light, giving us for the first time a corpus of literary texts from which we can learn something about the form of Aramaic spoken by Palestinian Jews in the centuries prior to Jesus and contemporaneously with him.2 members.bib-arch.org/publication.asp?PubID=BSBA&Volume=18&Issue=5&ArticleID=4I never said he didn't. At the turn of the millennium, Greek was a widespread language, as was Latin. We know Jesus was an educated person; it is therefore expected that he would speak these languages, in addition to Aramaic and Hebrew. Jesus also grew up in Egypt as a child and was back in Palestine by the time he was twelve. It is likely that he was partially educated in Egypt,where the languages of Palestine were not common. |
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Post by jody on Nov 24, 2012 12:53:16 GMT 10
Sigh...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 24, 2012 12:55:05 GMT 10
Sigh...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. You can lead Buzz to knowledge, but you can't make him think. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 24, 2012 12:58:18 GMT 10
If you claim Jesus never existed, then why are you trying to insist the supposed non-existent Jesus spoke Aramaic? That's a contradiction.
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There is no word for the Greek term "blasphemy" in either Hebrew or Aramaic.
In order to bring a charge of blasphemy against Jesus, the Jews at the Jerusalem power center would have HAD to speak Greek!
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 24, 2012 13:03:42 GMT 10
You can lead Buzz to knowledge, but you can't make him think. because I dont believe fairy tales with no evidence means my thinking gear works unlike yours. "Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_JesusIf you can evoke Boyce's authority on Zoroastrianism. I can evoke evidence for Christ's existence by the same token. The wheel has turned back on you, Buzz. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Nov 24, 2012 13:06:54 GMT 10
Its a made up story and not a single word is backed up by writers and historians 2 of whom lived there. It is however, backed up by the men who knew Christ in that time, and willingly died for their testimony. Under the hand of Emperor Nero. ...So all you are basing this on is an argument from silence? We have fewer documents confirming the existence of Alexander the Great. Do you also consider him to be a myth? You are also dismissing the dark ages, and all of the documents we lost during them. |
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Post by jody on Nov 25, 2012 12:14:55 GMT 10
Going to church doesn't make you a christian.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:32:54 GMT 10
from San Fernando Church -
Mark 13:31 says, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away."
This verse affirms two propositions: (1) The heavens and earth will pass away. (2) Christ's words will not pass away.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:54:14 GMT 10
from San Fernando Church - Mark 13:31 says, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." This verse affirms two propositions: (1) The heavens and earth will pass away. (2) Christ's words will not pass away. Merely because some book says so? Where is the PROOF? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:58:01 GMT 10
If heaven and earth have 'passed away' who will be left to utter/hear/read/remember the words of Christ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 14:05:56 GMT 10
from San Fernando Church - Mark 13:31 says, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." This verse affirms two propositions: (1) The heavens and earth will pass away. (2) Christ's words will not pass away. Merely because some book says so? Where is the PROOF? Look into the historical and prophetic accuracy of the Bible afresh Kiwi and you'll find it a pretty steadfast book. Look into the resurrection of Jesus and you'll find it adds great support to the claim of the Bible being a reliable book. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 14:06:21 GMT 10
If heaven and earth have 'passed away' who will be left to utter/hear/read/remember the words of Christ? Those who are with Christ in the afterlife. |
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