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Post by garfield on Nov 2, 2012 22:01:30 GMT 10
Did God create life on other planets?
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 2, 2012 23:02:32 GMT 10
Isn't that where you're posting from?
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Post by jody on Nov 2, 2012 23:20:12 GMT 10
I think it is very likely.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 3, 2012 6:45:43 GMT 10
Garfool lives in a blackhole....where the only god that exists for him is Jones and his saviour son Abbotts..  |
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Post by fat on Nov 10, 2012 15:26:35 GMT 10
I am not so vain.
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Post by pim on Nov 10, 2012 17:00:41 GMT 10
Garfield was probably waiting with his follow through for enough believers to post on this thread so that he could reveal his true agenda but since he took his bat & ball and left the crease I guess we can take the question on face value. Did God create life on other planets? I haven't the faintest idea. Did God create life on this planet? I haven't the faintest idea. Is God a creator God? If I reject the whole notion of "First Cause" and yawn at the argument that the first thing God exists for is to say thing like "Let there be Light!" - a bit like in Star Trek where Capt Picard can go into his darkened quarters on the Enterprise, say "Computer, lights!" and voilà! his quarters are flooded with light. Too bright? No problem! Picard says "Computer! Dim lights by X percent!" - and it happens! Sorry but I find that sort of theology to be rather dull. Not the sort of theology that inspired Bach to compose his most exquisitely spiritual cantatas which sing of God as Love rather than of God as <yawn> "First Cause. The argument of God as "First Cause", whether on other planets as well as this one, is about as dull and uninspiring as that most damp squib of a boring slogan that ever failed to motivate a people to vote to change their nation from a monarchy to a republic: "A Resident for President". "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" has a certain man-the-barricades ring to it. But "A Resident for President"  You've gotta be kidding! Similarly if you allow yourself to be moved by the deep spiriuality of the music of Hildegard von Bingen, and experience the deep relationship between the text and the music, and then I'm afraid all this"First Cause" stuff risks becoming coma-inducingly boring. Is that God's starting point? Is he a "Let there be light!" God? Is the Universe God's spaceship, God's Enterprise, with God as a kind of intergalactic cosmic Captain Picard? I guess in that case for God to create a new planet in his cosmic Replicator and to fashion life forms in the way Dr Soong fashioned Data (we're still on the Star Trek analogy) is all in a day's work ... or is that 7 days' work? And to be able to say "Computer! Lights!" and there's his new planet all lit up under a new sun ... I guess it would be fun for a while but after billions of years I reckon yet another "Let there be light!" would get a bit boring. This whole creationism stuff is pretty boring. I'm more interested in what the early Greek-speaking Christians used to call "apophasis". Wiki gives a good pithy and concise definition: An apophatic theology sees God as ineffable and attempts to describe God in terms of what God is not. Apophatic statements refer to transcendence in this context, as opposed to cataphasis referring to immanence.I don't know enough about it as yet to pronounce on it. In fact may I never know enough! The search is the point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 17:58:01 GMT 10
Cannot say Garfield, we simply have no evidence of life on other planets.
If life was created elsewhere it is probably rarer than people would expect.
When we first speculated on extra-solar planetary systems we believed they would mirror our own solar system with planets in roughly circular orbits. From what the discoveries have been so far the planets are often in very elliptical orbits or quite close to their star. If they have hugely elliptical orbits extremes of temperature dont encourage formation of life as we understand the process and if too close to the parent star then the planet is tidally locked ( ie one face always faces the star ) and the temperature is too hot.
Further since most stars are binary systems ( ie two or more suns co-orbiting ) that leads to orbital and temperature extremes that don't bode well for life forms.
So if life exits it may be rarer than earlier predictions.
However we just don't know. The SETI project has not determined any radio signals from an external stellar system encoded with information suggesting an artificial origin.
Now here's a closing thought -
If biological cells were found on another planet it would be heralded with triumph that we had found life elsewhere , yet when life exists in a woman's womb were told it's not life and can be terminated. Ever wondered about that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2012 18:05:32 GMT 10
Soapbox time again, is it? Notice how it is always about other humans' bodies, and always womans' bodies. Have you ever considered donating your own living body for medical experiments into learning how to modify male busybody's bodies so they can take over growing unwanted foetuses instead of demanding that another person (who happens to be a woman) should do it, even if they ended up knocked up as a result of rape? Go on, Altair....you could be famous for many millenium to come if the solution was discovered during experiments on your living body! |
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Post by jody on Nov 10, 2012 18:31:10 GMT 10
I am 100% sure God made the entire universe and beyond...there is no way he made (and still making) only one planet that sustains life.
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Post by fat on Nov 10, 2012 19:14:39 GMT 10
"No such thing as Unicorns"Buzz - how could you?  Next you'll tell me Santa doesn't exist.... 
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Post by Salem on Nov 10, 2012 20:32:59 GMT 10
I'm not exactly religious, but I do believe God created other planets and lifeform (whether it be mineral or plant form or alien form, I don't know).
As to wombs. A bacterium is alive. That doesn't make it a human. A single sperm cell is alive, in a testicle. That doesn't make it human either. Something that has no spine, no nervous system, no circulatory system, no brain and no senses is no more human than an amoeba or bacteria is. Thats simple scientific biological fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 13:24:55 GMT 10
Day 1 - conception takes place.
7 days - tiny human implants in mother’s uterus.
10 days - mother’s menses stop.
18 days - heart begins to beat.
21 days - pumps own blood through separate closed circulatory system with own blood type.
28 days - eye, ear and respiratory system begin to form.
42 days - brain waves recorded, skeleton complete, reflexes present.
7 weeks - photo of thumbsucking.
8 weeks - all body systems present.
9 weeks - squints, swallows, moves tongue, makes fist.
11 weeks - spontaneous breathing movements, has fingernails, all body systems working.
12 weeks - weighs one ounce.
16 weeks - genital organs clearly differentiated, grasps with hands, swims, kicks, turns, somersaults, (still not felt by the mother.)
18 weeks - vocal cords work – can cry.
20 weeks - has hair on head, weighs one pound, 12 inches long.
23 weeks - 15% chance of viability outside of womb if birth premature.*
24 weeks - 56% of babies survive premature birth.*
25 weeks - 79% of babies survive premature birth.*
(*Source: M. Allen et. al., "The Limits of Viability." New England Journal
of Medicine. 11/25/93: Vol. 329, No. 22, p. 1597.)
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You've gotta be kidding! Similarly if you allow yourself to be moved by the deep spiriuality of the music of Hildegard von Bingen, and experience the deep relationship between the text and the music, and then I'm afraid all this"First Cause" stuff risks becoming coma-inducingly boring.
