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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 18:06:03 GMT 10
Over Skippy's head ? Really ? Bit like 'moral absolutes' and your inability to answer the question - lol - that was a classic forensic marathon run from you when confronted with that issue. Oh the laugh that that was. I thought "Whoosh!" was an echo of you fleeing that debate. You were "done like a dinner" over the "moral absolutes" discussion Skippy. Even Veritas admitted that morals change! A lone voice (wailing) in the wilderness is you Skippy. ;D Get back to your Jihad Watch website obsession. By all means, continue worshipping your God of Islam though Skippy. "Done like a dinner" you sound like the Iraqi Information minister in Gulf2. Really I was "done like a dinner" - by whom? You ? You obsfucated and fled that debate so quickly you could see the red shift off your rear end! You were so pathetic you couldnt even admit to moral absolutes. LMAO. Veritas believes in moral absolutes and of course morals change however there are some moral absolutes. You on the other hand believe there are no moral absolutes yet lecture as if there are.
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 1, 2012 19:41:17 GMT 10
I know that, but the believers can't put two and two together. If there really is a God, he is also an evil killer. He presides over storms, allows murderers to kill children, spreads disease etc. What a guy! If there really is a God, he is also an evil killer. .LOL , evil is a religious construct, there is no such thing as 'evil' in the atheist world only advantageous and disadvantageous events. I do love how the ignorant atheists use religious terms that they have no consistent logical basis for. I also love seeing the ignorant atheists rabbit on judging God when it is obvious that these basement dwelling malcontents have really not even considered the issues eg God is a killer because - He presides over storms,The least thought on the issue would reveal that storms are part of the hydrological cycle which is necessary for life itself. No possiblity of storms leads to a greater evil of mass death through drought even if life was lucky enough to start without the cycle. This is basics, it amazes me how supposedly knowledgeable atheists miss this. allows murderers to kill childrenAgain a declaration of ignorance. Even versed informed atheists do not use the moral evil argument because they are aware that there could be logical reasons why moral evil is permitted to exist. God did not make us robots he gave us free will. Inherent in free will is the choice to do wrong. I do wish some ignorant atheists would educate themselves to the issues. spreads disease etc.LOL again an oversimplistic rant based on actual ignorance. Disease spreads through eg bacteria and viruses - both of which are necessary for life itself. Without them there is no us. I think you should try to educate yourself Slarti to the real issues rather than project simplistic ignorant quasi populist cut and paste rants. Talk about a complete and utter rant that is nothing but a waste of space, as skippy has totally missed the point. I am typing this s-l-o-w-l-y so even you will understand this, skippy: If there is a God ( and that's more than just a huge "IF"), He is repsonsible for everything! This means that He is a murderer, He causes storms that kill, He allows children to be molested, He spreads disease. Because if there really is a God ( refer big "IF" above), he doesn't just do the "good" things, he also does all the "evil" things. God is prick, basically.
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 1, 2012 19:44:57 GMT 10
If there really is a God, he is also an evil killer. .LOL , evil is a religious construct, there is no such thing as 'evil' in the atheist world only advantageous and disadvantageous events. I do love how the ignorant atheists use religious terms that they have no consistent logical basis for. Word Origin & History evil O.E. yfel (Kentish evel) "bad, vicious," from P.Gmc. *ubilaz (cf. O.Saxon ubil, Goth. ubils), from PIE *upelo-, giving the word an original sense of "uppity, overreaching bounds" which slowly worsened. "In OE., as in all the other early Teut. langs., exc. Scandinavian, this word is the most comprehensive adjectival expression of disapproval, dislike or disparagement" [OED]. Evil was the word the Anglo-Saxons used where we would use bad, cruel, unskillful, defective (adj.), or harm, crime, misfortune, disease. The meaning "extreme moral wickedness" was in O.E., but did not become the main sense until 18c. Related: Evilly. Evil eye (L. oculus malus) was O.E. eage yfel. dictionary.reference.com/browse/evilI expect your apology for being an idiot by return. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 23:33:18 GMT 10
Skip when you look at the JWs or Mormons or the Roman Catholics - you think they are nothing but a bunch of crackpots in a cult with mind control and false beliefs that are pathetic and dangerous. They say you are going to hell because you do not have the same beliefs as they do and only they are saved. But you laugh because they are loonies who are deluded believing in fairytales. Is that right? Is that how you see the JWs and Mormons and Catholics? I agree. It is true about their stupid beliefs. It is also true about all Christianity. Buzzo, hear what you say but here is my take. You err because you say that those belief systems are wrong thus all religious belief systems are wrong. That doesnt follow logically. Truth is by its' very nature exclusive. We can't all be right. Im not going to defend other belief systems I maintain with a quiet confidence that Christianity is correct based on a variety of disciplines/revelation given. I may be misrepresenting you but your argument "well a, b and c are wrong thus d is also wrong" is logically incorrect, d could well be correct. You extrapolate too far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 23:38:47 GMT 10
. I am typing this s-l-o-w-l-y so even you will understand this, skippy: If there is a God ( and that's more than just a huge "IF"), He is repsonsible for everything! This means that He is a murderer, He causes storms that kill, He allows children to be molested, He spreads disease. Because if there really is a God ( refer big "IF" above), he doesn't just do the "good" things, he also does all the "evil" things. God is prick, basically. How can you be so stupid ? How is God responsible for everything if He gives you freewill? Oh you don't have freewill then? So who is pulling your strings? It would be good if you tried to educate yourself and understand the issues but it seems you prefer ignorance.
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 2, 2012 6:24:31 GMT 10
Ignorance?
I am not the one who believes in an airy fairy invisible creature!
PS. If God gave us "free will", then he is responsible for what we do. Apparantly he has control over everything according to your silly beliefs. After all, He supposedly created all creatures great and small, so if there is something wrong with the way us humans behave, it's HIS design fault, it's all in our genes and HE put it there!
Is see you didn't even acknowledge how I showed you up on the origins of "evil".
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 2, 2012 13:00:55 GMT 10
Oh dear, skippy's gone silent again. He does that every time he gets annihilated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 13:02:04 GMT 10
PS. If God gave us "free will", then he is responsible for what we do.
Duh - it's pretty obvious you haven't the remotest notion of what freewill is.
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Post by slartibartfast on Nov 2, 2012 13:15:29 GMT 10
You haven't got a clue. (Yes, that was a full-stop).
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Post by pim on Nov 2, 2012 13:42:21 GMT 10
PS. If God gave us "free will", then he is responsible for what we do.Duh - it's pretty obvious you haven't the remotest notion of what freewill is. Gawd I hate it when I find myself agreeing with Skippy I think it's not so much that I agree with Skippy, slarti, but that I disagree that since God gave us free will - accepting just for the sake of argument Skippy's "god-as-first-cause" basis for everything - that therefore if we do bad things it must be all God's fault. That doesn't follow. Think about it. It doesn't. There's all sorts of stuff posted on these boards about the downside of Christianity. I tend not to join in with those exchanges because they end up being slanging matches between paleo-atheists and paleo-Christians. While there are downsides to Christianity there are also upsides. With free will comes taking responsibility. The downside is that paleo-Christianity is big on guilt and on a sky god-who-smites. There's a lot more to it though and to focus on the "guilt" thing is to ignore or gloss over the principle of personal responsibility for your actions. Now I agree you don't have to be a Christian to understand about taking personal responsibility, and I totally disagree with Skippy that atheists can't understand about personal responsibility. But that's not to say that it isn't possible to articulate and develop a sense of personal responsibility within the framework of Christianity. In fact I consider the Christian notion of personal responsibility within the context of free will to be one of its finer aspects.
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Post by garfield on Nov 2, 2012 22:05:19 GMT 10
Chariots of the Gods made more sense than the bible ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2012 12:12:24 GMT 10
Chariots of the Gods made more sense than the bible ;D Sense or not it certainly made money for the imprisoned convicted fraud and author Erich Von Daniken.
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