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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 1:09:52 GMT 10
Everyday I am so grateful for the Lord and His grace. Everyday I feel His love through the Holy Spirit, I physically feel the love overcome me as if the Spirit is raining down.
I am not perfect, I am a sinner, and I am only made perfect through the GLORY OF JESUS.
Grace is a FREE GIFT, it is available now, it is available RIGHT THIS SECOND. All you have to do is get down on your knees, repent of your sins, acknowledge that you are a flawed human being and ACCEPT Jesus!
Lets all rejoice, lets all praise Jesus and thank Him for His boundless love and His endless mercy!
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Post by slartibartfast on May 1, 2013 7:19:33 GMT 10
OMG.
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Post by jody on May 1, 2013 8:04:03 GMT 10
why omg?
have you never been to church and seen a minister and his flock worshipping!
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Post by slartibartfast on May 1, 2013 11:54:12 GMT 10
Never seen so much rubbish!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 12:37:50 GMT 10
Yes Slarti - I am with you on that one.
Its disturbing people get so frenzied over a non existing fictional character from a story book.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 1, 2013 23:46:35 GMT 10
Yes Slarti - I am with you on that one. Its disturbing people get so frenzied over a non existing fictional character from a story book. Not as disturbing as the people who get so frenzied over the 'frenzied' people's beliefs. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 23:50:35 GMT 10
delusions such as your religious beliefs are disturbing.
How is Jesus today? Catching up for coffee later are you?
Its all delusion - there is no Jesus and there never was.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 2, 2013 0:24:55 GMT 10
I don't believe in pink fluffy unicorns.
Spending my day announcing to everyone my unbelief in 'pink fluffy unicorns'. -- Now that's crazy.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 0:28:40 GMT 10
You believe in a 2,000 year old Zombie who never existed in the first place.
You are cracked.
Show me evidence from an independent witness for ANY of the New Testament story - there isn't any - not one.
You believe a fairy tale.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 2, 2013 0:32:21 GMT 10
Josephus. (I would have put more, but you only asked for one)
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 0:41:20 GMT 10
Josephus. (I would have put more, but you only asked for one) Josephus - I have both his books on my shelf which I have read is nothing more than an interpolation by Eusebius. He was the first to use those words and they were never used before him by Christian apologists. Its not true - how many times do you need to be told? Its all lies? There is no evidence. You believe shit. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 2, 2013 1:00:16 GMT 10
Yeah.
That 'Eusebius interpolation' might have worked as an excuse, if Origen didn't also have a earlier copy of it referencing Jesus.
Truth can't be buried that easily.
Next?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 12:34:57 GMT 10
Not that famous passage - that one passage was first quoted by Eusebius and not before. The name Joshua is quite common, so its not surprising it is in those tombs - but that famous passage is an interpolation and never used or referred to by Origen. You don't have your facts straight. Its all fraud and you believe crap. The Mystery of The Testimonium of Josephus - Josephus.org www.josephus.org/testhist.htm324 CE, Writers earlier than Eusebius do not cite the passage; Origen states that Josephus did not believe Jesus was the Messiah. A more accepted reference to ... www.josephus.org/testhist.htm |
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Post by pim on May 2, 2013 18:21:45 GMT 10
You believe in a 2,000 year old Zombie who never existed in the first place. You are cracked. Show me evidence from an independent witness for ANY of the New Testament story - there isn't any - not one. You believe a fairy tale.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 20:09:53 GMT 10
it is shit pim - Christianity is shit - but as Voltaire said its easier to fool people than to tell them they have been fooled.
And that post of yours is pure devaluation because you are a Narcissist.
Now f*** OFF
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 20:10:20 GMT 10
The power of prayer is real!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 20:23:44 GMT 10
No its not Matt - its not real at all - just fantasy.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 3, 2013 10:08:35 GMT 10
*Sigh* All rehashed, and overused Buzz rants... Just call Nemesis, so Buzzy will scamper off again.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 10:38:03 GMT 10
Its called reality and truth - nothing rehashed. You can't shift your delusions.
Perhaps you can explain how the word "Paradise" which is an Avestan word and concept, is in both Testaments of the Septuagint Bible.
According to you the Avesta will not be written down for another 1,000 years, but the Avestan words are in the Septuagint Bible.
The answer is easy - the Zoroastrians put them there.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 3, 2013 11:33:55 GMT 10
If I evolved naturally without an Causal agent, then my beliefs were predetermined--as were yours. Therefore it'd be futile to convince me of something I wasn't genetically determined to believe. And it'd be futile for me to convince you that you're wrong.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 3, 2013 12:03:06 GMT 10
I disagree.
If I were designed with free will, I'd be free to choose my own beliefs.
Evolution is an unguided process. Left to it, I would only become what my DNA determined I ought to become, I would only think what my DNA determined me to think, etc.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 3, 2013 12:45:02 GMT 10
Your quote is self-refuting statement.
(Didn't he freely choose to believe that?)
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Post by pim on May 3, 2013 12:47:08 GMT 10
I don't agree with your "First Cause" stuff, Dib. Let's just leave it at that, OK? The "debate" is so polarised that in fact it isn't a debate at all, just opposing groups of people on this board hurling insults at each other. There's no point to it.
By the same token I also reject Buzz's silly boring repetitive mantras. If belief in God is just a delusion then fine. It's no worse than the Dutch going ga ga as they have been this week over the fact that they have a King for the first time in about 120 years.
Belief in monarchy is a belief that all the aspirations, longings and identity issues of a people grouped in what we choose to call a "kingdom" can be bound up in one particular gene pool to the exclusion of all others.
You can argue that that's a delusion too, and you'd probably be right. But so what! The crowds in Dam Square in Amsterdam that I saw on my television screen, all decked out in bright orange, for the House of Orange, is testimony to the power of that delusion. Back in the late 1980s, during Australia's Bicentennial, the then Dutch Queen, Beatrix, visited Australia and my parents were invited, as members of a select group of Dutch migrants to Australia, to a reception where Queen Beatrix would be present. Bear in mind this was 1988 and my folks had been in this country since the end of 1950. So we're talking 37 years. They went to the reception, my Mum in a brand new outfit and having gone to the hairdresser and had the full treatment. The Queen made her appearance and the band (from the Royal Military College in Duntroon) immediately launched into the Dutch national anthem, the Wilhelmus. It was the first time my parents had heard that anthem played in a formal setting for 37 years. The Queen sang and all the Dutch-speaking people at that reception joined in. These were people who'd left their homeland for the most part at least 30 years previously, and it was an emotional moment. The tears flowed freely.
A delusion? Most probably! But who would want to put up boring republican arguments at a moment like that!! It was a wonderful delusion and if I'd been there I'd have sung the Wilhelmus too.
Similarly with a belief in God - if Matt is in a mass of thousands of deluded people in Hillsong, all waving their hands in the air shouting "hallelujah"and experiencing a communal deluded religious ecstasy, who at that moment is going to play Buzz and object that they're all crazy deluded people believing in a fantasy?
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 3, 2013 21:38:51 GMT 10
I know it was a joke.
I was just pointing out that it was also self-referential.
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Post by Occam's Spork on May 4, 2013 10:01:51 GMT 10
What do you want me to say?
--Good one.
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