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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2013 22:18:27 GMT 10
Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher diesBBC NEWS | 12:02PM GMT - Monday, 08 April 2013• Margaret Thatcher: A life in picturesFORMER Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke, her spokesman has said.
Lord Bell said: "It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning."
Baroness Thatcher was Conservative prime minister from 1979 to 1990.
She was the first woman to hold the post. Her family is expected to make a further statement later.
Baroness Thatcher, born Margaret Roberts, became the Conservative MP for Finchley, north London in 1959, retiring from the Commons in 1992.
Having been education secretary, she successfully challenged former prime minister Edward Heath for her party's leadership in 1975.
She won general elections in 1979, 1983 and 1987.
Baroness Thatcher's government privatised several state-owned industries. She was also in power when the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands in 1982.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155
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Post by jody on Apr 8, 2013 22:22:05 GMT 10
what a lovely heading :/
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 8, 2013 22:29:52 GMT 10
How fondly will she be remembered?
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Post by jody on Apr 8, 2013 22:31:44 GMT 10
ahhh yes, I guess I should expect the lefties to be mean towards her.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 8, 2013 22:33:15 GMT 10
Who has been mean?
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 8, 2013 22:40:44 GMT 10
Ms Thatcher, the grocer’s daughter and mother of two, was the first, and so far the only woman to be British prime minister. From 1979 to 1990 she led the country through a turbulent decade of change, with her signature uncompromising style encapsulated by her famous phrase “You turn if you want to. The lady’s not for turning.” She deregulated the financial sector, privatised many state-owned companies, and took on the then-powerful trade unions. The resulting ‘winter of discontent’ – a spike in unemployment accompanied by protests and inner-city riots - tested her early leadership, but with the 1982 Falklands war she cemented her popularity, going on to win two more general elections before her ‘poll tax’ proved a bridge too far. Ms Thatcher also played a key role in the end of the Cold War, leading the West’s embrace of reformist Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. In the last decade her engagements have become fewer, as her health gradually deteriorated. In 2005 her daughter Carol revealed dementia had affected her memory, leaving her unable to end sentences or clearly remember events from her near and more distant past. The BBC reported last night that in recent weeks she was living mostly at the Ritz Hotel in London, as she was unable to negotiate her way home any more. Tributes have poured in through the media and on social media. On Twitter, prime minister David Cameron wrote “It was with great sadness that l learned of Lady Thatcher's death. We've lost a great leader, a great Prime Minister and a great Briton." Read more: www.theage.com.au/world/margaret-thatcher-87-dead-after-stroke-20130408-2hhlj.html#ixzz2PsJeNM9O
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Post by caskur on Apr 9, 2013 0:32:28 GMT 10
How fondly will she be remembered? Not according to Germaine Greers comments on Q & A tonight!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 5:38:20 GMT 10
She had some good points and a lot of bad points, that has frightened the poms into not having another women leader...again..!!
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Post by geopol on Apr 9, 2013 6:32:03 GMT 10
She was certainly a larger than life figure whether she was lauded or hated. How much of that though was simply media spin? The English have had a woman leader for over sixty years so I doubt they would be frightened about having another female Pm, certainly not not of the calibre of Gillard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 6:49:23 GMT 10
Is the queen a political entity or a celebrity...these days..??.. perhaps that's what the poms deed, a queen who proclaims ..'Orf with ee's ead'...
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Post by caskur on Apr 9, 2013 8:55:02 GMT 10
Twas a classic... I only posted that the other day at a forum.... this was good.. some funny quotes and some truisms.. Baroness Thatcher's financial wit and widsom did more to change the way that many British people think about money than most politicians or economists. Here are a few of her insights: "No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he only had good intentions. He had money as well." "Pennies do not come from heaven. They have to be earned here on earth." "I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation." "It may be the cock that crows, but it is the hen that lays the eggs." "My policies are based not on some economics theory, but on things I and millions like me were brought up with: an honest day's work for an honest day's pay; live within your means; put by a nest egg for a rainy day; pay your bills on time; support the police." "It's passionately interesting for me that the things that I learned in a small town, in a very modest home, are just the things that I believe have won the election." "Plan your work for today and every day, then work your plan." "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." "The facts of life are Conservative." Daily Telegraph, London Read more: www.theage.com.au/money/margaret-thatchers-thoughts-on-money-20130409-2hhyl.html#ixzz2PuntnXjB
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 11:43:18 GMT 10
Hawkwe with Mick Kelty and the unions implimented the same economic reforms without the brutality Thatcher made for the common folk...."ecomic rationalism" the catch cry of the times has the west paying the price for increasing the welfare state of families unable to get out of the unemployment cycle...what ever her quotism's ..her actions and legacy is fucked because in the end it was just RW economic shit.
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Post by pim on Apr 9, 2013 15:33:28 GMT 10
Hey there! Hi there! Ho there! I also heard that Annette Funicello died yesterday. She was 70. Apparently the poor lady succumbed to MS. She was as welcome as can be and I'm sure she made a bigger impact on my life than Maggie Thatcher ever would have made. Her name conjures up memories of the early 1960s - a b & w Astor TV in the corner of the lounge room ... late afternoon ( I forget the exact time) and it's time for the Mickey Mouse Club: M-I-C ... See you real soon! K-E-Y ... Why? Because we like you! M-O-U-S-E!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 10:03:46 GMT 10
Those old beach party surf flicks with Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon were cringe worthy...... OK that explains why your a weirdo... ;D
Give O'l Maggie one thing, she being a chemist had no delusions about climate change and in no doubt the cause...anthropogenic.
The people who don't think humans are impacting on the planets climate are those billionaires who want to make more billions and care not about the future as they wont be around, and gullible dumbarses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 12:14:00 GMT 10
Just watch the vile leftie scumbags coming out of the woodwork to rejoice in her death. But they could never break her iron will while she was alive.
It's ironic how many great thinkers succumb to dementia in old age. We used to be amazed at the (former) intellect of the residents in the dementia facility, many of whom were scientists, doctors and researchers. One of the RNs always used to say I think they thought toooo much. Probably explains why not too many politicians turned up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 12:43:14 GMT 10
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Post by pim on Apr 10, 2013 13:29:51 GMT 10
Those old beach party surf flicks with Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon were cringe worthy...... OK that explains why your a weirdo... ;D Give O'l Maggie one thing, she being a chemist had no delusions about climate change and in no doubt the cause...anthropogenic. The people who don't think humans are impacting on the planets climate are those billionaires who want to make more billions and care not about the future as they wont be around, and gullible dumbarses. You're right about Thatcher and climate change. I never saw that movie with Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon. I only ever saw AF in the Mickey Mouse Club. Ya gotta understand, mate. This was country NSW in the early 1960s. Your TV picked up a signal from NBN 3 in Newcastle which was 100 miles away so you stuck a great big tower on your roof. It was a novelty and I was still enough of a kid to like the kids' shows - and that meant the Mickey Mouse Club. Then there was McHale's Navy and Rawhide. Not to mention Bonanza. I watched a bit of an episode of Bonanza overseas on one of those multitude of channels that do endless re-runs of things like I Love Lucy and suchlike. To see them in colour after having seen them in b & w as a kid on a smaller screen where the picture sometimes gets a bit "snowy" because of the signal coming from 100 miles away? It's just not the same anymore. The world was a different place back then, Spin. Kids were allowed to be kids. No wonder Gen Y finds us weird. And we weren't sexualised like kids are today. I'm not just talking about kiddy fiddlers - they were around back then, too. I'm talking about the way the media these days sexualises kids through advertising and the 1000s of ways things are presented to them which all contain a subliminal sexual element. By contrast, as one tribute to Annette Funicello said yesterday, Annette Funicello never showed so much as her navel. She was OK. As they say these days: she done good. She certainly never did anyone any harm.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 14:14:54 GMT 10
Don't recall watching Mickey Mouse as a kid albeit it was on, just wasn't a fan....too busy outside with the gang, did watch Mike Nelson and 'Sea Hunt' that was a afternoon favourite, bit later in the 60's 'Comedy Capers'..Early 60's came in for dinner and watched Woody Wood Pecker or Bugs Bunny. Weekends Dinseyland and Red Skelton. The Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello movies were for the teens...cornball stuff...but have a go at some of the titles... Frankie & Annette MGM Movie Legends Collection (Beach Blanket Bingo / How to Stuff a Wild Bikini / Beach Party / Bikini Beach / Fireball 500 / Thunder Alley / Muscle Beach Party / Ski Party) (1964) Scenes of Frankie pretending to ride huge waves in a backdrop, Annette and all the girls on the beach cheering him on too beat the bad surfer dude......Shortly after came the 'Gidget' TV series with Sally Field was more watchable.. What can you say the billionare's have done a good job in creating scepticiism and denial....2013 and governments are still kowtowing to them... Thatcher saw climate threat by:Mike Steketee, National Affairs Editor From:The Australian March 05, 200912:00AM Now is as good a time as any to tackle global warming, as a former British PM knew IN 1990, way before climate change became an issue fought from behind fixed lines, a government leader made a plea for action. "The danger of global warming is as yet unseen but real enough for us to make changes and sacrifices, so that we do not live at the expense of future generations," she said. She argued there was a clear case for precautionary international action, action that would be sensible in any event if it improved energy efficiency, developed alternative and sustainable sources of energy and replanted forests. Margaret Thatcher's interest in global warming dates back to earlier in her prime ministership. Unlike most politicians, she had some professional acquaintance with the area, graduating in chemistry from Oxford University and working for a period as a research scientist. In 1988, she said in a speech to the Royal Society, Britain's national science academy, that three changes in atmospheric chemistry -- greenhouse gases, the ozone hole and acid rain -- warranted government action. She did more than talk about climate change: she set up the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research, now with a worldwide reputation for its work. She committed to bringing carbon dioxide emissions back to 1990 levels by 2005. She provided funding for reafforestation in Britain and overseas. The fact that, two decades later, we are a long way short of a comprehensive international agreement to limit greenhouse gases and are debating in Australia whether now is the right time to act speaks volumes about the political commitment to long-term reform. Malcolm Turnbull mentioned Thatcher's 1990 call for action in a speech in January. It gives him some protection against the Nationals and conservatives in his own party who don't want a bar of an emissions trading scheme. But not enough, apparently. This week, he warned that there was "a very significant risk" that the scheme would export jobs and emissions to other countries. No, there's not; not according to the experts on whom former environment minister Turnbull would be relying if he were implementing the emissions trading scheme announced by the Howard government. When Climate Change Department head Martin Parkinson appeared before the Senate Estimates Committee last week, the Nationals' Ron Boswell confronted him with a string of claims about companies moving overseas, All bunkum, responded Parkinson. Well, not in those words. Rather, he did Yes Minister's Sir Humphrey Appleby proud by saying that people were "positioning" themselves in the debate. He was not impugning their motives or intelligence (heaven forbid) but the likelihood of carbon leakage from Australia was quite low. That is what the Treasury modelling showed and that was the experience in Europe following the introduction of emissions trading. As for the cement industry, one of those cited by Boswell, Parkinson pointed out that it was receiving government compensation at the highest level of 90 per cent, meaning it will face only 10 per cent of the increase in the carbon price. He quoted the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission as saying imports were not a threat to the industry and said that this meant it would be able to pass on most of any increased costs to consumers. He did not explain why it then needed so much compensation. Treasury, together with Ross Garnaut and others, were saying the risks of carbon leakage were low even before the Government substantially increased its offer to protect trade-exposed industries. Not that this stopped companies from complaining that they would all be rooned in what has become a rerun of the old import protection debate. Treasury estimates that putting a price on emissions will slow economic growth by little more than 0.1 per cent a year, which Climate Change Minister Penny Wong points out is one-fifth of the cost of population ageing. If the recession is a reason for delaying a decision now, there will be plenty more excuses in the future. The 30 per cent fall in the value of the dollar has increased the competitiveness of Australian exports by many times more than any costs to industry of an emissions trading scheme. When the dollar goes up again, as it could well do in coming years, the rationale for further delay will be that life has become too hard for our exporters and import-competing industries. The economic upswing following a recession will provide a great opportunity for the investment that retools the economy to make it more energy efficient. Without a carbon price signal, such investment is less likely. A recent CSIRO study found that green jobs could boost employment by between 230,000 and 340,000 over the next decade. Waiting for strong economic growth to resume risks missing the boat and running into investment bottlenecks. Delaying until the rest of the world signs up to an international agreement would see us miss opportunities, as we have done already with areas such as renewable energy where other countries have stolen a march. To those who assert there will never be an international agreement, Thatcher provides an answer. International agreements and regulation addressed what are now the diminishing problems of ozone depletion and acid rain, including in the latter case through a trading scheme. Global warming is tougher but the precautionary principle, if nothing else, should compel us to get on with it.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 10, 2013 20:51:51 GMT 10
Is it true that her funeral is being privatised, outsourced and given to the lowest bidder?
It's what she would have wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 20:14:26 GMT 10
"Margaret Thatcher Margaret Thatcher Picks her nose And flicks it at yer" -Sid Snot, AKA Kenny Everitt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 16:16:01 GMT 10
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Post by geopol on Apr 14, 2013 12:43:55 GMT 10
Margaret Thatcher, 1987.
Those words were the black hole at the core of Thatcherism. They revealed the callous autocrat beneath the imperious helmet of hair, the re-tooled teeth and the assiduously poshed-up vowels: Margaret Thatcher believed in a Darwinian struggle for the survival of the fittest. If the losers led lives that were nasty, brutish and short, it was their fault; all you could do was police them. An orgy of corporate greed and private plunder at the expense of ordinary people is her chief political legacy
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Post by geopol on Apr 14, 2013 12:46:21 GMT 10
In my haste I forgot the quotation which I now present for you edification: Who is society? There is no such thing. There are individual men and women, and there are families.
Margaret Thatcher, 1987.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 13:04:37 GMT 10
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Post by jiribiri on Apr 14, 2013 18:37:57 GMT 10
she emoved those socialised milk handouts to the little kids at school...this must have paid for the special treatment that was lauded upon the increased police forces.
she even privatised the soccer clubs....rust in peace indeed
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