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Post by geopol on Apr 2, 2013 5:39:33 GMT 10
something like 35 million a year! What the hell for we may ask, if not to entrench the huge difference between the bosses and the people who actually work to keep the malls going an bringing in the loot? According to ABC news this morning(6am), the cleaners at these centres are paid the princely sum of 17 dollars an hour! Imagine the difficulties of living anywhere on a wage like that, especially in Sydney....That in itself is a case for the existence of powerful unions, it is also the reason why we should have a strong ALP and god enough reason why the punters should look with loathing on the likelihood of an Abbott led government after September. The Arsehole is proclaiming that he will only tinker with fair work laws and n o one will be worse off!!! Ha, bloody haaaa...Remember core and non core? get ready for the biggest fleecing of OZ workers since before Federation...
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Post by jody on Apr 2, 2013 7:08:43 GMT 10
wish I was one of the execs.
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Post by caskur on Apr 2, 2013 7:37:19 GMT 10
something like 35 million a year! What the hell for we may ask, if not to entrench the huge difference between the bosses and the people who actually work to keep the malls going an bringing in the loot? According to ABC news this morning(6am), the cleaners at these centres are paid the princely sum of 17 dollars an hour! Imagine the difficulties of living anywhere on a wage like that, especially in Sydney....That in itself is a case for the existence of powerful unions, it is also the reason why we should have a strong ALP and god enough reason why the punters should look with loathing on the likelihood of an Abbott led government after September. The Arsehole is proclaiming that he will only tinker with fair work laws and n o one will be worse off!!! Ha, bloody haaaa...Remember core and non core? get ready for the biggest fleecing of OZ workers since before Federation... Who are these 35 million dollar Execs and where do they live? |
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Post by Salem on Apr 2, 2013 10:37:15 GMT 10
Geopol, if unions are as good as you like to think they are, WHY haven't they done something for cleaners ALREADY? Or are they too busy having credit cards and spending them at casinos, resorts and prostitutes to give a flying f**k about the cleaners?
You can whinge about Abbott getting in, but if/when he gets in, it will be because of LABOR putting him in, not necessarily because of their policies. On the night of September 14 if Abbott gets in, you will have no one to blame but your beloved Labour party. That is where you will have to aim your anger.
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Post by Salem on Apr 2, 2013 10:47:15 GMT 10
All Labor needs is......
But if there is no Rudd is in the Air
Then coalition supporters will have a win in September so until then, it Might as well
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Post by geopol on Apr 2, 2013 10:54:06 GMT 10
The Liberal p[arty does not, ever, indicate that it has the interests of workers at heart.; It is always about the economy which simply means about making the rich richer and those working for them give more and more. Not al workers are badly off, but there are many that are. Think of the ideas od Miss Piggy and think about how widespread in Abbott's party....Think CSG and ponder on the Four Corners' program of last night. The unions and the ALP have to be rejuvenated but the punters have ben effectively brainwashed by a cynical media, a deceitful right wing and they have ben duped into voting against their best interests. I also believe that workers should not only be members of unions but should be active in them as well....
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Post by Salem on Apr 2, 2013 11:04:53 GMT 10
The Liberal p[arty does not, ever, indicate that it has the interests of workers at heart.; It is always about the economy which simply means about making the rich richer and those working for them give more and more. Not al workers are badly off, but there are many that are. Think of the ideas od Miss Piggy and think about how widespread in Abbott's party....Think CSG and ponder on the Four Corners' program of last night. The unions and the ALP have to be rejuvenated but the punters have ben effectively brainwashed by a cynical media, a deceitful right wing and they have ben duped into voting against their best interests. I also believe that workers should not only be members of unions but should be active in them as well.... You are off-tangent and waffling. That waffle doesn't answer why the unions have done eff all for cleaners. Why haven't they, Geopol? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 11:48:26 GMT 10
The reason why is that the cleaners - if they work in the health section - are represented - I use that term loosely - by the HSU. They also represent the lowly paid carers who take their frustrations out on vulnerable old dementia residents. Of course the HSU officials are too busy lining their own pockets and feathering their own nests with the lowly workers' union fees whilst also ensuring they maximise their own lurks and perks at the expense of said workers without bothering as to how these workers will manage to survive on such a pittance. Such is the unions' agenda these days. 
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Post by geopol on Apr 2, 2013 12:20:03 GMT 10
The unions should help the workers, the workers should b in the respective unions and they should become active. Meetings at work places should be regularly held which they were when I was working. I think a lot of workers have lost sight of their own interests and have fallen for the propaganda that has demonised the unions. And yes, union management should be held to strict account for any abuses and any whiff of corruption as once again I should stress, it was in my union. The electoral office ran the elections in my union so they were squeaky clean.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:25:46 GMT 10
Get this!! The unions' days are numbered. Immigrants won't join unions. Immigrants don't trust unions. And certainly don't trust union officials. And can you blame them??
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Post by geopol on Apr 2, 2013 12:30:28 GMT 10
They and our society will suffer the consequences and we will all be worse off....
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Post by Salem on Apr 2, 2013 14:26:05 GMT 10
Ahhhh, the HSU Stellar? So my comment about credit cards and prostitution, unbeknownst to me, was spot on. Too many Thomsons and not enough focus on workers. Just imagine if cleaners were able to access a credit card with one hundred thousand dollars on it, how much better off would they be then?
The unions do beep all for the workers, all they do is feather the union bosses nests and give them unlimited credit cards and swank dinners when many cleaners would be lucky to afford a sandwhich for lunch. Shame on the unions. Shame!
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Post by fat on Apr 2, 2013 15:34:03 GMT 10
Salem - you left out Yesterday's Hero.  |
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Post by geopol on Apr 2, 2013 15:59:36 GMT 10
So Salem unions are responsible for all the evils of the world! Your "Shame on the unions" mantra is just the sort of crap you peddle because you have no idea...Unions do good and important work, despite their shortcomings which is why they are important just as the ALP is important. Organised workers must be so that they can play a big and powerful role in the political and economic life of the country, whether you like it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 17:41:43 GMT 10
Could be that Westfied cleaners are contractors...but certainly the disparaging gap between workers pay and executive salaries is ever widening until Australia will be just lthe same as the freemarkteer USA with a working poor, getting paid peanuts and tips.
Tis a pity Australia becoming a mini US but such is the nature of Australians to be somewhat gullible and naive...sheeple.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 2, 2013 19:01:36 GMT 10
Ahhhh, the HSU Stellar? So my comment about credit cards and prostitution, unbeknownst to me, was spot on. Too many Thomsons and not enough focus on workers. Just imagine if cleaners were able to access a credit card with one hundred thousand dollars on it, how much better off would they be then? The unions do beep all for the workers, all they do is feather the union bosses nests and give them unlimited credit cards and swank dinners when many cleaners would be lucky to afford a sandwhich for lunch. Shame on the unions. Shame! Aaah, the ignorance. Cleaners at Westfield Shopping Centres would not be in the HSU, you buffoon! The Union that would look after cleaners is United Voice - www.unitedvoice.org.au/ Now as Spindrift has already pointed out, Westfield contracts out most of their work to avoid dealing with unions and thus attracting the lowest possible dollar spend for its shareholders. |
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Post by Salem on Apr 2, 2013 19:09:48 GMT 10
I was not the one who said they were with the HSU, you buffoon. And I think being a nurse, Stellar would know more than you.
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Post by Salem on Apr 2, 2013 19:10:22 GMT 10
True, Fat. I knew there was one I missed. |
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 2, 2013 19:25:54 GMT 10
I was not the one who said they were with the HSU, you buffoon. And I think being a nurse, Stellar would know more than you. You commented - can't you see your own words? I copied them so you could see them. And this topic is about Westfield and how they get rich. By exploiting non-unionised cleaners is one way. I bet the cleaners that work at hospitals get paid more than those at Westfield and have better conditions. But what would I know? I only worked with Trade Unions for nine years. |
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Post by Salem on Apr 2, 2013 19:30:36 GMT 10
Again, I wasn't the one that brought them up, Stellar did. You attributed your post to the wrong person.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 2, 2013 19:45:02 GMT 10
Again, I wasn't the one that brought them up, Stellar did. You attributed your post to the wrong person. So you didn't write this? Ahhhh, the HSU Stellar? So my comment about credit cards and prostitution, unbeknownst to me, was spot on. Too many Thomsons and not enough focus on workers. Just imagine if cleaners were able to access a credit card with one hundred thousand dollars on it, how much better off would they be then? The unions do beep all for the workers, all they do is feather the union bosses nests and give them unlimited credit cards and swank dinners when many cleaners would be lucky to afford a sandwhich for lunch. Shame on the unions. Shame! My mistake. I am so sorry for my error. |
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Post by tam on Apr 2, 2013 20:29:44 GMT 10
I don't know how many of you would remember years ago when we received a payrise [say $10 a week] that was given to all workers no matter what their weekly wage. Then some bright spark came up with % rises. Didn't take long for the gap to widen between the low wage earners and the high wage earners.
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Post by garfield on Apr 3, 2013 9:00:44 GMT 10
Spare a thought for those poor Westfield execs, do you have any idea how many people they had to bankrupt and how many lives they had to destroy to get those bonus's?
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Post by tam on Apr 3, 2013 9:50:45 GMT 10
They don't get much of my money. I have no idea how people can go to shopping centres every day.
I only go when I can't get what I want local.
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