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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 9:30:23 GMT 10
No wonder our health system is being run down to third world level when we carry out cosmetic surgery on detainees!! Surely we have more deserving cases awaiting lifesaving surgery on ever increasing waiting lists!! Can you imagine any ordinary Australian getting this sort of surgery free?? Just another example of lurks and perks offered to detainees that are not available to Australian citizens. And get this! The detainee was here on a business visa which he overstayed! As if our health budget hasn't already blown out! Droopy eye repair among non urgent medical treatment provided to asylum seeker detainees Gemma Jones News Limited Network March 28, 2013 12:00AM Asylum-seekers at the Topside camp in Nauru. Picture: Clint Deidenang Source: Supplied A PREGNANT asylum seeker deemed a security risk by ASIO was offered free domestic help and childcare while another detainee has had drooping eyelids fixed by taxpayers. An array of non urgent medical treatment provided to detainees has been revealed including a suspected war criminal who had his impacted wisdom teeth removed at no cost to him. Details of treatment were contained in Ombudsman's reports on long term detainees and come as the government announced the latest asylum boat detected yesterday had 147 passengers on board, the biggest arrival since October last year. Most of the detainees who have been given everything from free glasses and orthotics to dietary counselling to combat high cholesterol, have been rejected as refugees and are exhausting appeals or have received a negative ASIO security assessment. In August last year immigration official offered the pregnant 33-year-old, whose third son was born in January, free "domestic assistance, occasional childcare support and assistance with (her daily) routine" on the advice of an occupational therapist and a psychologist. The woman, who had attended ante-natal appointments at Fairfield Hospital while living in residential housing in the Villawood complex, rejected the offer. She and her two sons arrived by boat in May 2010 and were in community detention, where she married her husband in April last year, until her release was revoked in April after ASIO delivered an adverse security assessment. A 27-year-old Tamil Tiger had his impacted wisdom teeth extracted in June at Whyalla in South Australia, two months after he complained of dental pain. He has been in detention since arriving by boat in December 2009 and was rejected as a refugee after Department of Immigration officials found "serious reasons for considering (the man) had committed a war crime or a crime against humanity." A Department spokesman declined to comment on the man's case. The 38-year-old with drooping eyelids overstayed a business visa before being rejected as a refugee, prompting attempts to remove him. While he has been in detention in Sydney, the man has had three rounds of surgery between December 2009 and January 2011 to correct his eyelids. A Department spokeswoman said surgery was never provided for "purely cosmetic reasons." Other cases include a 35-year-old with two wives who has been treated for everything from hearing problems to reflux and insomnia since arriving by boat in 2009. "These cases, especially that of that of a suspected war criminal will do more than test the patience of the Australian public," Opposition Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said. A spokeswoman for the Department of Immigration said it had a "non delegable duty of care" to ensure the health and welfare of detainees and that care "is funded by the Australian Government." She said treatment had to be clinically recommended by "health professionals such as GPs, dentists and medical specialists." Meanwhile, the government is reportedly considering a plan to move families out of community detention onto bridging visas to save money in the May budget. Families would be treated the same as single asylum seekers who receive about $440 a fortnight and some rent assistance to live in the community. Prime Minister Julia Gillard would only say yesterday that a decision had not been taken. This idiot of a PM hasn't got a clue. If she spent more time on trying to solve the problems of her immigration dept instead of wasting time trying to ensure she stays in the PM position, we might see some improvements ... although I wouldn't be holding my breath.
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Post by caskur on Mar 28, 2013 9:35:39 GMT 10
very disturbing...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 10:07:55 GMT 10
Lots of Australian people are on waiting lists and suffering pain from dental problems. Ask my friend who is a dental nurse and works in the public system. What we are complaining about primarily is the cosmetic surgery offered to a visa detainee who was going to be deported!! That is what is outrageous in a health system which is crying out for funds. The mental health facility I work in is always trying to get extra funding but without success. And then you see this blatant waste of health dollars!
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Post by garfield on Mar 28, 2013 11:55:24 GMT 10
They give them houses that aussies have been on a 20 year waiting list for, may as well give them their health care entitlement too.
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Post by bender on Mar 28, 2013 14:16:15 GMT 10
What is "everything"? as in everything from free glasses and dentistry to dietary counselling?
Everything according to the Tele could well be anything. It could include a pet monkey I suppose.
And the breathlessly added bit about most of the refugees who are allegedly recipients of our medical largess being rejected in terms of their claim for protection is the final touch that really tops off a piece very big on ignorant conjecture and very light on fact.
If someone is in detention and they complain of a toothache then you have no choice, you have to get them to a dentist because they are in detention and cannot leave detention to go to the dentist whenever they want and the detention service provider and DIAC have a duty of care towards them.
This is the part of the immigration debate that I find simply laughable. The same people who are very big fans of mandatory detention are also the same ones who are the first to complain about clients accessing dentists. How fucking stupid are you people?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 17:46:05 GMT 10
Jeeeeeezus H Faaaaaarking Christ.....righties are such nasty arseholes.
That is evidenced by Stellar, Cascuuuuur and Shit-for-brains Garfluff in this thread.
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Post by caskur on Mar 28, 2013 19:52:02 GMT 10
Lots of Australian people are on waiting lists and suffering pain from dental problems. Ask my friend who is a dental nurse and works in the public system. What we are complaining about primarily is the cosmetic surgery offered to a visa detainee who was going to be deported!! That is what is outrageous in a health system which is crying out for funds. The mental health facility I work in is always trying to get extra funding but without success. And then you see this blatant waste of health dollars! guess what one of my friends from school contracted while she was a dental nurse, many years ago...? Hep C
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Post by caskur on Mar 28, 2013 19:53:18 GMT 10
Jeeeeeezus H Faaaaaarking Christ.....righties are such nasty arseholes.
That is evidenced by Stellar, Cascuuuuur and Shit-for-brains Garfluff in this thread. Hush... haven't you got a hungi to roast somewhere?
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 28, 2013 21:02:27 GMT 10
Another day, another topic from Stellar bashing immigrants/refugees/muslims (take your pick).
What a terribly sad and empty life she must lead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 4:04:23 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 7:19:52 GMT 10
Lots of Australian people are on waiting lists and suffering pain from dental problems. Ask my friend who is a dental nurse and works in the public system. What we are complaining about primarily is the cosmetic surgery offered to a visa detainee who was going to be deported!! That is what is outrageous in a health system which is crying out for funds. The mental health facility I work in is always trying to get extra funding but without success. And then you see this blatant waste of health dollars! guess what one of my friends from school contracted while she was a dental nurse, many years ago...? Hep C Yep, that'd be from a needlestick! These days they're worrying about contracting HIV. My friend is currently awaiting the result of blood tests after a recent needlestick. She "thinks" the patient doesn't have HIV ... but you never know because patients don't have to tell you this sort of info. She is in limbo for 3 months and will be having a lot of sleepness nights till she gets the result. My son's ex fiance is a dental hygienist. She used to double glove when treating certain patients and if she knew for certain they were gay she would triple glove!! It is against the rules to double glove but you have to do all you can to protect yourself in that industry. It is a definite work hazard and no matter how careful you are, all nurses, medical or dental are at risk because of the prevalence of HIV in the community.
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Post by geopol on Mar 29, 2013 7:27:09 GMT 10
Stella must spend her life being exhausted because of the time takes up being so outraged. Obviously an outrageous lady.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 7:29:56 GMT 10
Another day, another topic from Stellar bashing immigrants/refugees/muslims (take your pick). What a terribly sad and empty life she must lead. Another day, another topic from Stellar bashing immigrants?? So, on the 28th March I post the above topic which was headline news, fyi. The last time I posted a thread was March 16. But yeah, another day, another topic. You don't half exaggerate do you!! Of course you consider any info about what's happening in the asylum seeker/refugee industry as "bashing" immigrants. Immigrants?? Many of my best friends are immigrants you dickhead! Generally speaking, immigrants come here to work and contribute to the economy, asylum seekers come to bludge on our welfare system. And that's the difference!
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Post by geopol on Mar 29, 2013 7:34:20 GMT 10
More bloody outrage! Your working conditions must be terrible to produce such a cranky and probably febrile state....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 7:56:51 GMT 10
Stella must spend her life being exhausted because of the time takes up being so outraged. Obviously an outrageous lady. Can I tell you why I am outraged? Can I tell you how every health facility in the land is under resourced and under funded?? Can I tell you how difficult it is to do your job when you don't have all the equipment you need or the clinical supplies to hand? Like, have you ever had to crush dozens and dozens of tablets throughout the day with two spoons because you've run out of plastic sleeves for the tablet crusher?? It might seem nothing to you, but to a nurse who is rushed off her feet, this sort of time consuming inconvenience just makes her day that much more difficult. I could name dozens of instances where we are awaiting supplies to be delivered - held off because we have had to cut everything to the bare minimum. Even food, you should hear the complaints from the inmates! I don't blame them, the food at some meals is atrocious. But inmates are on a short fuse and when they want to show their aggravation, they don't hold back! So plates of food get thrown on the floor in disgust - or worse, at the staff. Look, I don't care if you couldn't give a shit - but I do! We, like every other facility and institution in the land, are crying out for funding. Funding that just isn't there! So we have to keep cutting back and cutting back to the detriment of patient and staff alike. We have too too many people who have never contributed to the system in the first place, taking up too much of the dwindling funding. We just don't have to import more!! So when I hear of cosmetic surgery on a detainee - who came into the country and overstayed his business visa and was then taken into detention and tried unsuccessfully to claim asylum - taking advantage of our health system in this way, I feel like just giving up! Our health system was once 1st world ... it's now going backwards as more and more of the third world lob in and hop onto the system with their myriad of complaints, many never seen before in this country and so serious they are a risk to the general public. And these conditions are extremely costly to treat. But just keep them coming. And hope you don't get seriously ill with some disease yourself in the meantime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 7:59:45 GMT 10
And apart from that ... get f**ked!!
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Post by caskur on Mar 29, 2013 12:04:33 GMT 10
I think there probably is more funding than you realize but management skim it off the top as has been proven by one criminal "ethnic" fake prince recently.
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Post by geopol on Mar 29, 2013 12:15:46 GMT 10
More silly misdirected outrage Stella. The faults you complain about should be dealt with, by perhaps better organisation and more funds. Taxes should be paid by those who earn the money and not wasted in subsidising private schools or subsidising the rich fro medical insurance or allowing them lavish superannuation breaks.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 29, 2013 12:27:20 GMT 10
And apart from that ... get f**ked!! Says the talkback radio queen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 15:00:17 GMT 10
Stellars on the right track here, any Refugee found in a leaky vote, should be left to drown. Any who haven't drowned should be left to starve to death (oh wait, that applies to our poor as well), and bugger any medical treatment, their not white, so they're sub-human, let them suffer. What a statement we, as Australians, could make to the world about our humanity, eh Stellar ?
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Post by bender on Mar 29, 2013 16:09:32 GMT 10
Stellar, you work in an aged care facility don't you?
To try and claim that every hospital in the country is in dire straits is pretty silly. In the last 2 and a half years I've spent considerable amounts of time in hospitals right around the country and whilst I wouldn't for a moment presume to know the ins and outs of their budgets I do feel fairly confident that you've exagerated the situation that hospitals find themselves in to a ludicrous degree.
I might add one other point here Stellar. Blaming asylum seekers for hospitals being in bad financial situation is a fairly ignorant claim to make. Asylum Seekers by virtue of the fact that they don't have a Visa or Resident Status at the time they are allegedly undergoing the treatments that you claim are sending hospitals broke are not getting their treatment gratis from the various State Health Departments.
Their treatment is charged to and paid in full by DIAC. In effect Stellar, Asylum Seekers are helping the financial position of hospitals by bringing in extra cash that the hospitals would otherwise not have had.
And you wonder why I think you're stupid.......
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Post by caskur on Mar 29, 2013 18:00:39 GMT 10
Stellar, you work in an aged care facility don't you? To try and claim that every hospital in the country is in dire straits is pretty silly. In the last 2 and a half years I've spent considerable amounts of time in hospitals right around the country and whilst I wouldn't for a moment presume to know the ins and outs of their budgets I do feel fairly confident that you've exagerated the situation that hospitals find themselves in to a ludicrous degree. I might add one other point here Stellar. Blaming asylum seekers for hospitals being in bad financial situation is a fairly ignorant claim to make. Asylum Seekers by virtue of the fact that they don't have a Visa or Resident Status at the time they are allegedly undergoing the treatments that you claim are sending hospitals broke are not getting their treatment gratis from the various State Health Departments. Their treatment is charged to and paid in full by DIAC. In effect Stellar, Asylum Seekers are helping the financial position of hospitals by bringing in extra cash that the hospitals would otherwise not have had. And you wonder why I think you're stupid....... Hey, didn't you claim a few week ago you spent time at detention centres, Mister Jack of all Trades, Master of None... Shit Bender, for a dole bludger, you do get around a fair bit.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 29, 2013 18:38:26 GMT 10
For a peabrain, you make a lot of noise.
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Post by caskur on Mar 29, 2013 19:49:22 GMT 10
For a peabrain, you make a lot of noise. I am sure Bender appreciates you meat shielding him.
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Post by caskur on Mar 29, 2013 19:50:59 GMT 10
Hush... haven't you got a hungi to roast somewhere? Dumbshit........it's hangi, not hungi.... How can we tell how it's written... you kiwis have all your vowel sounds twisted and you cannot speak properly... get a clue!
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