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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 9:16:40 GMT 10
I'm certainly not backpeddling you idiot but I'm definitely NOT going to reveal serious incidents that I've witnessed here on these pages! That would be sheer lunacy as it would identify the facility in which I worked.
You can put your head in the sand and say nothing untoward ever happens in aged care facilities around Australia. You could say that all aged care workers are happy, caring, skilled and dedicated workers. I would say that would be extremely gullible.
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Post by sonex on Mar 30, 2013 9:38:24 GMT 10
Stellar, from your no. 44 post.
Have you recommended CCTV to Management Stellar. As a senior nurse in this facility wouldn't it be part of your responsibility to protect these helpless women from abuse, and if you don't report it would you not be held responsible at some stage if it becomes public knowledge.
To protect yourself, I honestly believe you need to be pro-active. No one wants to be a "whistleblower", they usually get no thanks, but at least they have a clear conscience.
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Post by geopol on Mar 30, 2013 9:42:37 GMT 10
The aged care facility opposite my place, here beside the seaside on the North coast, is bright, clean, vibrant and a happy and contented place as far as I can see and I have talked to some of the residents over the years. Not once have I heard of complaints about staff but some have complained about the awfulness of a few of the other residents....... I am sure it could do with more funding. It is run by the Uniting Church.....
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Post by caskur on Mar 30, 2013 11:06:32 GMT 10
I hope Four Corners catches up with these facilities, the human rights abuses would give them a field day of investigative reporting material. Get them to research where the granny porn is coming from.. then they'll have their story...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 16:08:20 GMT 10
So lets have some revision for the short memory spanners....Stellar made allegations and innuendo that Indians, Black Africans and Muslim men were abusing grannies in the worst incidences she has ever seen, such as with mobile phones behind closed doors at night, and pushing Grans down on their chest. Serious business indeed, ..now since Bronwyn Bishop days where abuse and negligence was found wanting in a few aged care facilities as outlined earlier by me, such as kero baths, unclean conditions, where mice and rats were eating old folk, in a facility where the owner manager was good mates with ol'Bronwyn, things have been greatly government controlled on aged facilities that any rumour or allegations of abuse is quickly dealt with if not by the facility itself that receive regular checks by government agents, then by the government agencies who will act very quickly in closing down the facility when told, if not by staff then a relative. Stellar glosses over this fact with ..she has told management but they more or less sweep it under the carpet because they are ethnics, which is her reasons for not taking things further as she should, and according to her it is rife in aged care where ethnics are not held accountable and she is bringing it all to light by telling her story here at Newstalkback...well reader it smacks of bullshit. If she has something she can go to the appropriate agency and have it dealt with quick smart, and given the right to anonymity, as aged senior people have rights, dementia included, she is failing in her job by not going to the Health Care and Aging dept., that routinely checks on all facilities to comply with the rules...if not following proper procedures they are sanctioned and closed down, any experienced aged care worker would know this. It is also known that any porn material placed over the Internet is monitored by government censorship including granny porn...to make innuendo it is being made by Indian, African and Muslim men abusing old folk at night behind locked doors, then peddling madly away from that perception she states its something else that is inappropriate behavior that is the worst she has ever seen....well as before, make your own minds up if you think if there is any credibility to her story, and if there was---- why hasn't she done something about it, that she knows she can with the right dept. is the question to ask yourselves. And just add....we know the track record of this women and bigotry to Indians, Africans and Muslims. Black minded gossip and innuendo...tsk tsk tsk ...the worst I have ever seen...
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Post by caskur on Mar 30, 2013 19:19:35 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 23:25:56 GMT 10
No matter what the race for anyone to work in aged care they would have to have a high degree of empathy.
And aged care workers are required to receive training that is ongoing on a yearly basis....and abuse is taken seriously, even pushing a elderly women down on the chest is a sack able offence.
There was a incidence from memory last year sometime when female staff in a facility were taking photo's of elderly men and there genitals....having a guessing game of whose willy belongs to whom...innocent fun they thought but were dragged over the coals and sacked.
As a RN as Stellar claims to be, she knows how to report abuse....all she is doing is exposing her hatred to Indians, Africans and Muslims, and from what she post has the hallmarks of a workplace bully.
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Post by caskur on Mar 31, 2013 3:14:43 GMT 10
lol @ you thinking anything in Australia is "taken seriously" it has become a lip service only nation of selfish money grubbers, period.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 8:43:35 GMT 10
Just reading your last two posts Spinout, it's becoming more obvious that you're seriously struggling with comprehension.
Muslim men? Where did I mention muslim men in this thread?? Oh yeah, I did mention Middle Easterners but wait, they were not muslim I believe. They weren't Christian either, so I'm not sure exactly what they were. And so I correctly named them as "Middle Easterners" and immediately Spinout jumps to the conclusion that I am talking about "muslims." Typical with his one track mind.
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Really?? I claimed that, did I?? Where did I claim to being an RN, Spinout!! I have many times stated that I am an EEN as I am sure everyone else here is fully aware. Do you know what an EEN is, dickhead??
Now another lulu ...
They would, would they?? Honestly, you are seriously deluded!! They take anyone in aged care these days they are so understaffed. As one of the other EENs told me ... obviously straight off the street, planes, boats - he was quite incredulous at the motley crew we had working there. These people work in aged care simply because they cannot get a job anywhere else! Think about that Spinout because it has nothing to do with "empathy."
That's why there is a lot of abuse in aged care. Unskilled staff - some might have Cert 3 in Aged Care - but many don't stay long enough to gain that. And Australians are leaving aged care in droves to be replaced with immigrants in many cases on temporary visas. So the makeup of staff rosters in aged care is changing - to the detriment of older Australians. Maybe not so much in country areas but definitely in the major cities.
Now I am not prepared to waste any more of my time on you Spinout because you obviously have no idea what happens in aged care facilities apart from what you've been told by your daughter I assume or read in the papers. You cannot comprehend most of the things I have said and you jump to conclusions, adding 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. You are a waste of space.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 10:36:15 GMT 10
OK fair enough middle easterns may indeed be rastifarians and not muslims..corection on that point accepted, as with you being a EEN I simply mistook that when you said you were nurse I made the presumption a registered nurse, OK wrong on that, yet you are still a step above a carer, and as such have a responsibilty to report abuse.
Your meant to be a leading light to new or untrained staff, and read them the riot act if they are not following procedure, and to be sure a facilty with untrained staff can be badly run, as there is much expectation of staff to perform over and above the call of duty, in a job where money isn't that good, ...a trolley person for woolies would earn more.
Poor management is the problem in aged facilties ...not the untrained ethnics.
Which is getting side tracked from the comments you made of seeing the most horrendus abuse happening by people of the ethinc demographic, and I saying well what have you done about it as there are steps you could follow to deal with it...anyhow being the empahtic type of guy I am, and to clear the air, I recognise your in a difficult and stressfull job that is no doubt frustrating getting good staff, and as such will desist from further narrative on the subject, to let you unwind and gather your inner peace after a hard days work of chaos....
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Post by geopol on Mar 31, 2013 10:41:34 GMT 10
What Is an EEN? Enlightened enrolled nurse? Dr Baily of Chelmsford infamy, was not ethnic.....
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Post by caskur on Mar 31, 2013 21:31:23 GMT 10
My sister is brilliant with old people... she loves them and oozes empathy...actually I have two sisters working in aged care.
the reason they both are great is because, we LOVED our grandparents both sides of the family and have always had a lot to do with old people... from zero to their deaths.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2013 19:37:35 GMT 10
What Is an EEN? Enlightened enrolled nurse? Dr Baily of Chelmsford infamy, was not ethnic..... .... and you were his patient!! Always knew there'd have to be an explanation.
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Post by slartibartfast on Apr 1, 2013 19:49:37 GMT 10
Geo, there are lot of things you could call Stellar, but "Enlightened" is not one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2013 19:50:54 GMT 10
My sister is brilliant with old people... she loves them and oozes empathy...actually I have two sisters working in aged care. the reason they both are great is because, we LOVED our grandparents both sides of the family and have always had a lot to do with old people... from zero to their deaths. I'm sure they are! I bet they speak to the residents using the Australian vernacular. And I'm certain they treat them with dignity and compassion and so the residents would love them. In the nursing home I was always receiving complaints from the staff accusing the residents of being racist. I would patiently explain that they were not racist, they just hadn't grown up in a multicultural society. Often the residents would yell "speak English" to the staff. It's understandable though. They had dementia and therefore tended to speak their mind (or what was left of it) and so there would often be a rather tense standoff between resident and staff member. We Australians never had that sort of problem with the residents so it was easier for us. However the residents were definitely at a disadvantage ... something that is never taken into consideration by management when employing staff. It wouldn't matter though - they'll take anyone and stuff the oldies who ultimately are the ones paying for it, literally and figuratively.
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Post by caskur on Apr 2, 2013 4:49:34 GMT 10
oh they really love my sisters alright.
There is language barrier though with the new Aussies...
my sister has to translate and tell the carers what the clients are asking.
My sister was really good one time... she gave this old lady a job on the tea towels... she gave all these tea towels that had been freshly laundered and asked the lady to fold them... so she did that... then later gave her more.
she said the other carers haven't got a clue about what idle hands need to do.... what is a nothing job to a young person, is an old persons useful occupation....yep, my sister is very good with oldies!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:21:05 GMT 10
There was a smaller lounge room where activities could be undertaken by the residents. Baskets of washing to be folded. Bookcases filled with books for residents to browse through which they would do however how much they actually understood of what they were "reading" is beside the point. They were filling in their days with the sort of activities they were familiar with. Magazines like the Womens Weekly were cherished by residents. They would carry them around all day and were extremely reluctant to put them back at bedtime so they'd take them to their rooms. Not much reading going on but they obviously valued books.
Memory boxes with all sorts of goodies to handle but safely secured ... sporting equipment, some cricket, some tennis, football, etc ... gardening equipment, carpentry tools, old Singer sewing machines, babies knitted garments (safe behind glass).
All great for reminiscing of better times.
Some of the staff would rip the magazines out of their hands when taking them to bed and would throw them back into the bookcases in a show of authority, control and power over these hapless oldies.
There was a lot of "cruelty" like that. I can assure you that many of the staff expressed the hope that if ever they suffered dementia at the end of their lives they sincerely hoped that euthansia was an accepted and legal way of opting out ...
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Post by geopol on Apr 2, 2013 12:29:19 GMT 10
Unfortunately Stella we do not have enough ozzies to do the work so we nave to muddle through as best we can and it is not going to get any better for a long time despite your fulminations..
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Post by caskur on Apr 12, 2013 0:24:39 GMT 10
Punching up grannies in Nursing Homes is on the agenda at Lateline tonight...
I bet after it's brought up, that'll be the last we hear of it... job done.
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Post by caskur on Apr 13, 2013 22:13:09 GMT 10
Speaking of Granny Porn ... Barbara Eden is in Australia at the moment. (Aged 78) She's still got it. isn't that amazing. these people go from their prime to old age in a flash due to constant repeats. anyway... she seems to be born with longevity genes... good for her. I saw her on tv the other night... she's a tim tam lover!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 8:57:52 GMT 10
Punching up grannies in Nursing Homes is on the agenda at Lateline tonight... I bet after it's brought up, that'll be the last we hear of it... job done. So did you watch it? I missed it but I looked at the website and it appears that the issue was delusional residents being violent towards other residents. One female resident awoke in the middle of the night by being punched in the chest by a male resident and some residents had tried to smother other residents with pillows. Which leads me to the obvious question ... why weren't the bedroom doors locked?? This was something I had to go through most nights with a number of residents - whether their doors were locked because they didn't feel safe. I'd have to lock the door on their side then step outside and pull the door shut. I'd then have to go through the motions of trying to get into the room without success and then they'd have to come and open the door for me. This was tedious and time consuming but it put their minds at rest - except when I'd locked it the 2nd time and they'd be calling out "but is it still locked?" and we'd have to repeat the process all over again. The govt made it mandatory for all residents to have their own room partly to address this problem. Dementia patients wander and find themselves in a room where they see a resident in a bed and believe that resident is in their bed and so the aggression starts. Residents have tried to kill other residents and have succeeded on at least one occasion I am aware of. Obviously you have to keep these residents apart at night as there just aren't the numbers of staff on duty to intervene. I used to stress to the carers to make sure the doors were locked - not only at night but in the day because residents will enter a room and go through wardrobes taking items which they will insist are theirs. So the obvious answer is to keep the doors locked ... however some residents will open their doors if they hear a noise outside but don't think to lock them before they get back into bed. And dementia patients wander day and night ... and while wandering they will try every single door handle they come across. The 2nd issue is why aren't the delusional aggressive residents adequately medicated? Well some of these delusional residents believe the staff are trying to poison them and so won't take their medication at all - and that is their legal right. Medication of these residents becomes a complex issue ... are you going to medicate them adequately - always considering that you can medicate them - in which case they would be left in an almost comatose condition which is against their human rights or do you let them run around on a rampage? What actually do you do with these residents! We had our methods to deal with it but I'd have liked to have seen the program.
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Post by sonex on Apr 14, 2013 10:39:18 GMT 10
Stellar, I can see the reasons you mention for the doors to be locked, but I cannot help wondering how long it would take to get all the doors unlocked and the patients evacuated in case of fire. Should there not be a master locking and unlocking system? Too expensive?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 11:51:17 GMT 10
Sonex, the rooms were fitted with sprinkler systems and fire alarms. Only outside doors and gates unlocked automatically - and in prison systems and psychiatric facilities they do not unlock automatically for obvious reasons. All these facilities have a direct connection to the local fire station and the firies are there within minutes. Fortunately most call outs are false alarms but it costs the facility $500 for attending a false call out which was sometimes triggered by staff burning toast and not turning off the fire alarm fast enough!
In any event all facilities have their own fire procedures. The first thing I would do was locate the exact position of the fire by checking the fire panel. You would then go straight to the source of the fire (or false alarm) and you would be able to evacuate the person immediately if there actually was a fire. And of course if you've ever heard those fire alarms go off - they're like air raid sirens and guaranteed to have every resident up and running out of their rooms in fright. Staff would know to check firstly on residents who had poor hearing and all residents would be brought to an assembly point for a headcount. Of course the outside gates and doors would unlock but it's better to have residents running around in the street than inside the facility if it's on fire.
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Post by sonex on Apr 14, 2013 13:03:12 GMT 10
Thanks for the explanation and description Stellar, however I do still think it's surprising that only the occupant of the room can unlock the door. After all they may be unconscious, affected by smoke, or dead.
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Post by caskur on Apr 14, 2013 20:52:28 GMT 10
Yes I watched it but it only discussed patient on patient abuse and absolutely nothing about carer abuse....
not a thing...
Still, we're heading in the right direction bringing people's attention to this subject in the first place
.... at least its a subject brought up and the LAST thing they should be contemplating is paying prostitutes for sex which is the original concern I have...
if they cannot look after the problems they already have, they're NOT going to be able to police sexual violence or misconducts like filming granny porn that will most certainly be carried out.
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