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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 10:02:12 GMT 10
Because I've only worked with a couple of Anglo or European male carers when I did my stint in the nursing home! Australian males just don't look for employment in nursing homes. There were male RNs and ENs working there but they were definitely in minority. It is a female dominated industry.
The reason ethnic males work in that industry is because carers are in constant demand. It's not the easiest of work and it's not their work of preference.
However a growing number of ethnic males are finding work in nursing homes only because it is available. That doesn't mean they like it - they actually hate it and feel it is beneath their dignity as dominant males to have to wipe incontinent bottoms. So they take it out on their charges.
I can assure you I hated working there too. But I had to do that training as part of my mental health course and I was ever so glad when in was over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 10:22:11 GMT 10
If one is properly trained in aged care and notices another staff member acting inappropriately then they have the responsibility of reporting such things to management, therefore the question is why is someone making allegations against care staff like Stellar not reporting it.....any indiscretion how ever minor must be reported and staff can by pass management and go directly to a government agency that can have the facility shut down in hours and police called in to investigate, it is treated really seriously, race doesn't matter.
Also elderly people with dementia would know something is inappropriate and would let staff know, if not by vocalisation then by behavior which proper trained staff can pick up on....it is then the staffs fault for not protecting the resident, and if they know something is going on and not reporting it as there are very strict rules on aged care, then they are just as guilty and should be sacked.
Now what is read here in Stella'rs derogatory comments on ethnic colleagues is made purely on racist grounds, as she has not reported her allegations, and indeed if she is deriding fellow staff because of their ethnicity to other staff, she should not be employed at all in the industry.
Bad moral and ethics.
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Post by sonex on Mar 28, 2013 10:25:51 GMT 10
It's absolutely true Cas. I've experienced it in the nursing home as outlined in my PM. The main perpetrators are ALWAYS non-Christians. The worst are Africans, Indian and Middle Eastern males. Can you imagine allowing males with their misogynist attitudes to carry out personal and intimate ADLs on elderly women, especially women with dementia?? Can you imagine the fear of these old women when confronted by these males - especially at night when they enter their rooms? Can you understand the concern of family members who would implore me to please, please ensure a lady carer looks after their mother? I have witnessed some of the worst things I've ever seen, in the nursing home. Yet facilities are frightened of ethnics and whilst I've seen Australians suspended and referred to police for the most trivial things, never have I seen any facility actually willing to suspend and refer these males to police - even though the offences were serious. They are afraid of an ethnic backlash and of racist claims and having to pay out possibly hundreds of thousands - or more - in compensation. Such is society today. It is a dreadful scenario you paint Stellar. I feel very sorry for the women. Have you thought of contacting your local MP. You said "I have witnessed some of the worst things I've ever seen, in the nursing home. Yet facilities are frightened of ethnics and whilst I've seen Australians suspended and referred to police for the most trivial things, never have I seen any facility actually willing to suspend and refer these males to police - even though the offences were serious." Could you refer these "worst things" to the police?
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Post by sonex on Mar 28, 2013 10:27:26 GMT 10
Spindrift, I had not read your post before posting mine, it seems we are thinking along similar lines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 10:33:37 GMT 10
Oh and how do you know that I didn't report these things Spinout?? I am telling you that there is a lot of coverup in facilities for the reasons I have given previously. They don't want the bad publicity. The people concerned were "spoken to" but were not suspended or referred to police. They did find themselves either moved somewhere else or they just weren't given any more shifts.
But as I said, Australians were suspended and referred to police for minor misdemeanours because there was no chance of that being turned into a racist issue. And in all cases they were cleared by police.
But you think everything is hunky dory in the aged care sector Spinout?? You're kidding yourself. It once used to be predominantly staffed by Australians - you look at the makeup of staff rosters these days and they are predominantly ethnic. And the standards have dropped significantly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 10:43:37 GMT 10
No Sonex I will not contact my local MP. I have said what I said to the managers and they have done what they did, i.e. remove the person/s involved from that part of the facility or out of the facility altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 10:55:26 GMT 10
I didn't state everything was hunky dory in aged care, you have very dedicated staff who are bearing the brunt of the workload and others who are lazy and just turn up for the pay packet, white, black and brindle,...it is those dedicated well trained senior staff that have a responsibilty to insure proper aged care is given to residents, and if sexual misconduct has taken place as you have claimed then you would know that if management of the facilty is not taking the right action then you can go directly to a government agency who will deal the matter quickly and strongly, and if the facilty here you work is ignoring residents and staff concerns, then it should be shut down. Aged care facilties have rape kits if any allegations are made then quickly that can be determined if allegations are true or not. While indeed there are lazy staff indifferent to the plight of aged people, it does require a certain person to take on aged care and they are trained before being released onto residents, the main problem is that it is a low paid job and there isn't sufficent funding to maintain quality staff and care. Still sexual inappropriate behaviour towards the elderly is serious and would be treated as such by any well managed facility...and if you are claiming the facilty is not well managed then go above their heads as you know you can....why havn't you...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 11:22:57 GMT 10
You are jumping to conclusions Spinout. I did not specifically mention "sexual misconduct" so kindly do not put words in my mouth. I am referring to other abuses. Those abuses could be verbal, racial, physical - but not necessarily sexual.
You would have to catch the perpetrators in the act if you're dealing with rape and severe dementia patients with aphasia - those who are particularly vulnerable as they have lost the ability to speak. And that sort of abuse would not be likely to happen on day or afternoon shifts because there is too much going on and too many people about. If that sort of thing happened it would be on the night shift and I've noticed there is a tendency to ensure female staff are predominantly on the night roster in lots of facilities.
If there were any concerns because of a resident's unusual behaviour - they might be examined by a doctor. These women cannot speak out and probably wouldn't even remember what happened to them because of their mental state. This sort of abuse wouldn't happen to elderly women who do not have dementia and are able to speak up for themselves. No, this always happens to the most vulnerable in our society because it's safer for the perpetrator.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 11:43:05 GMT 10
Yeah, ethnic racial abuse on poor vulnerable old Aussies!! Of course you can't see it that way can you!
To you, the only racial abuse is BY Australians. You just can't contenance any other type of racial abuse. Get your head out of the sand you dipshit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 11:58:49 GMT 10
She actually looks a bit like me ... the eyes especially and the nose. But I am blonde.
Apart from that - my patients love me!!
Now I'm outta here. Wasted too much time on this today. Aaarrrrggghhhh so much to do, so little time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 18:40:30 GMT 10
Stellar implies sexual misconduct of the worst kind by aged care staff of ethnic descent, and when shown she has avenues to make aware too the authorities of such conduct, its oh they made racist comments, where language and hearing barriers may have been an issue....what a fraud and morally bankrupt person she is proving to be.
Good at doing a job on her work colleagues.
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Post by caskur on Mar 28, 2013 19:39:43 GMT 10
No Sonex I will not contact my local MP. I have said what I said to the managers and they have done what they did, i.e. remove the person/s involved from that part of the facility or out of the facility altogether. Hmmm, just like they shifted around kiddie diddling priests in the old days, right?
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Post by caskur on Mar 28, 2013 19:44:06 GMT 10
As for you other granny diddling immigrant apologists in this thread... I won't read your inept posts right now because I know if I did, I'd wish someone punched your idiot heads in pronto. How DARE you apologize for the scum coming here to our country hurting our elderly.... how dare you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 8:42:19 GMT 10
Stellar implies sexual misconduct of the worst kind by aged care staff of ethnic descent, and when shown she has avenues to make aware too the authorities of such conduct, its oh they made racist comments, where language and hearing barriers may have been an issue....what a fraud and morally bankrupt person she is proving to be. Good at doing a job on her work colleagues. I imply nothing of the sort! You are beneath contempt Spinout. Obviously you didn't see the post I deleted. Let me state here ... I am not referring to sexual abuse by staff because I have not experienced that. I have seen some resistant females pushed and held in the chest area by male staff and that received a sharp rebuke from me. As you are well aware, I can hardly go into detail about other incidents observed. But most of my complaints are about physical and mental abuse by staff. However I have major concerns about what happens away from the eyes of team leaders and management. My most often used phrase - behind locked doors - is valid. What goes on away from the public's eyes - and the eyes of superiors!! It doesn't bear thinking about. Which brings me to the issue of mobile phones. All nursing home rules are: no mobile phones are to be carried by staff during their shift. The only mobile I had was the work mobile. The care staff were not issued with work mobiles. However virtually all of them disobeyed the rule not to carry their mobile phones with them during the shift. And management let them get away with it because it was just too hard to try to make them leave their mobiles in their lockers! This leaves residents open to that sort of abuse by carers outlined by Cas. And because you lot cannot differentiate what is meant by "abuse" I will reiterate ... anything where the resident is not in control of what happens in their own rooms - such as photographs being taken of them in embarrassing or compromising situations without their consent. It happens and we know it happens. Proving that it happens is another thing. I have always said there should be CCTV in the rooms. Most staff would be apoplectic at the thought of being under surveillance throughout their shift but it's the only way to stop the abuse and provide security for the most vulnerable of residents.
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Post by sonex on Mar 29, 2013 9:00:18 GMT 10
Stellar, who are management? Are these government funded and run homes? or are they privately owned?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 9:26:41 GMT 10
Doesn't matter - all facilities are the same. They all back down when it comes to ethnics. They don't want to offend. They don't want anything to appear racial. They are actually all afraid of becoming embroiled in compensation cases.
I've told you often enough about ethnics believing that rules are optional. So standards are dropping. I've always said though in their defence that Filipinos are extremely compliant with rules. Is it because they are Christian? I've never had a problem with a Filipino - you tell them to do something and they do it, no questions asked.
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Post by sonex on Mar 29, 2013 9:48:29 GMT 10
I think it does matter Stellar. If the facility is privately owned and run for profit then are they allowing abuse of the patients because as you say they are afraid of compensation cases.
If they are government owned and run, then the government has a much bigger purse to pay for compensation cases and can be held to account by people like us.
On the other hand, you have explained that these homes are employing these sadistic 'carers' because otherwise there is no one else who would do the job. In which case, I guess the only solution is to increase the salaries to entice people like you with the training and empathy to manage the care of helpless people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 10:18:02 GMT 10
"I have witnessed some of the worst things I've ever seen, in the nursing home"...<Stellar words..
That coupled with a photo of sex offender and now allegations of lewd photos of elderly taken at night by ethnic male staff, which is sexual abuse, apparently the 'worst things' is male staff pushing elderly women down on their chest.
Back in the days when Bronwyn Bishop was minister for old folk, there were some serious abuse in aged care facilities that came to light, such as giving the old people kero baths and rats eating them alive...facilities run and staffed by white folk, and ever since then there has been strident regulation on any abuse to the aged, and if facility is found wanting they are shut down quick smart.
Now Stellar claims to have witnessed the worst of abuse yet does she goes to the government, no she claims she made mention to management who she claims bury the incidences because of racial grounds, cannot upset the ethnics in the workplace, the inference.
So obviously she is lying, or negligent in her duties as carer...or she is merely using aged care as bandwagon for racial vilification, given her past record and format the latter I think but readers can make their own judgment.
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Post by caskur on Mar 29, 2013 11:48:38 GMT 10
Stellar implies sexual misconduct of the worst kind by aged care staff of ethnic descent, and when shown she has avenues to make aware too the authorities of such conduct, its oh they made racist comments, where language and hearing barriers may have been an issue....what a fraud and morally bankrupt person she is proving to be. Good at doing a job on her work colleagues. I imply nothing of the sort! You are beneath contempt Spinout. Obviously you didn't see the post I deleted. Let me state here ... I am not referring to sexual abuse by staff because I have not experienced that. I have seen some resistant females pushed and held in the chest area by male staff and that received a sharp rebuke from me. As you are well aware, I can hardly go into detail about other incidents observed. But most of my complaints are about physical and mental abuse by staff. However I have major concerns about what happens away from the eyes of team leaders and management. My most often used phrase - behind locked doors - is valid. What goes on away from the public's eyes - and the eyes of superiors!! It doesn't bear thinking about. Which brings me to the issue of mobile phones. All nursing home rules are: no mobile phones are to be carried by staff during their shift. The only mobile I had was the work mobile. The care staff were not issued with work mobiles. However virtually all of them disobeyed the rule not to carry their mobile phones with them during the shift. And management let them get away with it because it was just too hard to try to make them leave their mobiles in their lockers! This leaves residents open to that sort of abuse by carers outlined by Cas. And because you lot cannot differentiate what is meant by "abuse" I will reiterate ... anything where the resident is not in control of what happens in their own rooms - such as photographs being taken of them in embarrassing or compromising situations without their consent. It happens and we know it happens. Proving that it happens is another thing. I have always said there should be CCTV in the rooms. Most staff would be apoplectic at the thought of being under surveillance throughout their shift but it's the only way to stop the abuse and provide security for the most vulnerable of residents. I've seen some "embarrassing images"... plenty of them and I've also seen an avatar of one at another site.... I'll show you through the PM system here... without a doubt, the pictures I have seen wouldn't have permission from the bodies in them. Yep... for sure the elderly are being abused and no one has brought this to attention as far as I know, except me, here starting this thread.
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Post by caskur on Mar 29, 2013 12:20:21 GMT 10
Doesn't matter - all facilities are the same. They all back down when it comes to ethnics. They don't want to offend. They don't want anything to appear racial. They are actually all afraid of becoming embroiled in compensation cases. I've told you often enough about ethnics believing that rules are optional. So standards are dropping. I've always said though in their defence that Filipinos are extremely compliant with rules. Is it because they are Christian? I've never had a problem with a Filipino - you tell them to do something and they do it, no questions asked. This is true about the Filipinos... they are good to the elderly. and what I left out of the other post I just wrote, not only have I seen plenty of pictures of elderly porn, but disabled porn as well. no wonder there is a push for this state sanction sex in hospitals,.. in our society, dumb and naive as we all are, outside in the general public... because it's inconceivable to us, people could do such stuff in the first place to these other vulnerable people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 6:13:46 GMT 10
Well there we go...just Stellar bullshit bananas, from witnessing most horrible things in aged care facilities too seeing some porn on the Internet....simply to state something disparaging about her work place colleagues.
A workplace whinging trouble maker no doubt....proving once again the RW are fucked in the head with hate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 6:48:13 GMT 10
The only one coming out with bullshit is you, Spinout. You ever worked in a nursing home?? You're no bloody expert - just a loudmouth know-all who actually knows nothing.
My workplace colleagues?? They are hardly colleagues - just unskilled workers in many cases with no credentials. They are NOT my colleagues.
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Post by slartibartfast on Mar 30, 2013 6:52:43 GMT 10
No wonder you don't get on with people the way you talk about your fellow workers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 8:48:50 GMT 10
I had no time for unskilled workers who didn't treat the residents with compassion, respect and dignity. Workers who were there because it was the only work available to them. Workers who believed they were underpaid so could slack off. And especially workers who took it out on the residents.
Having said that, there were also some wonderful, caring, experienced staff but unfortunately they were in the minority.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 8:55:31 GMT 10
Your working in an industry that is under-staffed and under-funded, there is no denying that, the point in discussion is your avid claims of abuse of the worst kind you have witnessed by people of ethnic origin you have or are working with...backpeddaling from granny porn made by ethnics too untrained staff not good at their jobs...what a leap.
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