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Post by pim on Mar 25, 2013 13:49:29 GMT 10
... because of his no show at the leadership spill and ballot?
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Post by Lord Stockton on Mar 25, 2013 22:09:31 GMT 10
So all those people on any number of pro-boards (since cancelled due to sensitive feelings being hurt) who said 'Go Keven 07' was an over rated egotist were right or just ahead of their time.?
People like Freddie, lucky Phil, Geo, Bender etc etc .
Yeah right
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Post by Salem on Mar 25, 2013 22:38:09 GMT 10
What a ridiculous and immature post from you Pim. If he doesn't challenge, he has no ticker. If he does, he in his hubris is putting his ego before his party. You will excuse me if I find your incredulous post as hypocritical child-like nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 8:35:26 GMT 10
 Well Krudd has left his supporters high and dry and then looks around at the devastation with a "who me? - I'm innocent" attitude. The only honourable thing Krudd can do now is fall on his sword like the rest of his supporters and resign from politics altogether .... just like Bob Hawke did when successfully challenged by Paul Keating. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 9:40:46 GMT 10
The Labor right faction spitting chips about Rudd created the division and the fiasco over the recent leadership contest that sees Labor going down the plug hole...the blame game of blaming Rudd for everything bad in the polls.
Rudd who is ever still more popular than any political leader no one liked te treachery displayed toward him by the union right faction, Gillard has to face up to that and admit her wrong doings and apologise to Rudd and his supporters to create geater unity...she should have been more gracious to the Rudd backers instead of giving them the bums rush cold indiffernce displayed towards them by accepting resignations of very influential key players.
Being a hard nosed ruthless bitch ain't a winnning formula.
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Post by pim on Mar 26, 2013 11:24:55 GMT 10
The Labor right faction spitting chips about Rudd created the division and the fiasco over the recent leadership contest that sees Labor going down the plug hole...the blame game of blaming Rudd for everything bad in the polls. If you're saying that blaming Rudd for everything is a mug's game and ducking the truth, then I agree with you. If on the other hand you, Spindrift, are claiming that Rudd is utterly and completely blameless and purer than the driven snow then, alas, I'd have to maintain that you, Spindrift, are falling victim to your own propaganda. If, on the other hand, you deny implying or saying that, then OK the debate is about the extent to which both Rudd and Gillard are responsible for the parlous state of the Labor Party. Where does responsibility start, and end? Personally I think that's a mug's game and it's the game the Liberals want Labor to play. Rudd is like Humpty Dumpty on the ground in shattered pieces of eggshell with all the king's horses and all the king's men finally coming to the realisation that whatever the rights & wrongs that led to Humpty Dumpty's fall, this is one egg they're not going to be able to put back together again. So it's Gillard PM leading Labor into the elections for better or worse. And, yes, I agree, it couldn't be worse. Tellya what though, Spindrift. If, when Ms Gillard leads Labor over the cliff, like Wyle E. Coyote running in mid air and then crashing into the rocks far below leaving a big hole in the shape of the name "Labor", Labor finds a reconstituted Kevin at the bottom of the cliff - no more Chicken Kev but Moses Kev ready to pick up his staff, part the Red Sea, call down manna from heaven, go up into the mountain and come down with a New Deal for Labor, a new Ten Commandments proclaiming a new revitalised Labor Party, and lead his troops across the trackless wastes of the Wilderness of Relevance Deprivation into the Promised Land of Ministerial Portfolios and Snouts in the Trough, if Chicken Kev really shows he's capable of transforming himself into Moses Kev, then show me the humble pie and I will eat it. If you're going back to 2010, and I think you are, I think Ms Gillard tried to be as gracious as possible. Stephen Smith took one for the team and agreed to move sideways into Defence so that Kevin Rudd could have Foreign Affairs. As for accepting the resignations, there were no other options. But look, Spindrift, I can see you feel very deeply about this and that you've turned a corner and come to a decision. That's cool. I can also see this hasn't been a seat-of-the-pants or spur-of-the-moment thing. You've been thinking about this for a long time and yours is a considered decision, sincerely arrived at. What else can I say but that I respect your decision. I don't share it and I don't agree with it, but I respect it. I've never ever taken you for being sexist, Spindrift. You want to think about that last sentence? |
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Post by Salem on Mar 26, 2013 11:43:03 GMT 10
Lol, coming from the man who relishes calling women bimbos, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? FWIW, I don't see anything sexist in that sentence.
Oh, and I could be wrong but I believe Spindrift is talking about the appalling display of arrogance Gillard showed this past week, ie talking about Ministers needing to 'consider their positions' - what a vindictive bitch. What was even worse to me, and made me yell at the tv in words that are unprintable (something like, 'oh you effing smug lying bitch, oh I'd love to have 5 minutes alone with you'), was the way she verballed Rudd by saying "it was *appropriate* that Rudd has *acknowledged* that he will ****never again lead the Labor Party**** First of all, her smug 'haha I won' choice of words really make me want to suckerpunch the bitch right in between the eyes, and I am not normally a person who thinks violently. But she is so smug, so condescending, so gleefully smug in her 'triumph' and at the hurt she inflicted on Rudd and her fellow MPs, that it makes me hate her so intensely like I've never hated any pollie before. But most of all, she lied. She deliberately misrepresented what Kevin said. He did NOT acknowledge or say that he would 'not lead the Labor party again' what he SAID, was that he wouldn't CHALLENGE for the leadership again. There is a big difference there. What she did, was put words in his mouth to misrepresent him and the narrative. She is such a smug lowlife deceitful lying bitch and if I could just have 5 minutes alone with bitch she wouldn't be so smug.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 13:07:44 GMT 10
The disunity within Labor didn't start with Kev Rudd, yes things were not exactly perfect with his leadership,(even Jesus had a few dissenters amongst his followers or team), in a time when Rudd needed loyalty and unity he was backstabbed rather coldly, that is just simple fact of history ....perhaps he carried the disunity out of spite, who knows really..??..the Laurie Oakes leaks over Gillard wanting pensions to be cut is speculative and may have been merely created by Oakes, the Right faction just pointed the finger at Rudd, who maintained his innocence and Gillard claimed she didn't state anything of the sort with pensioner cuts, crikey that way thinking for a politician is sucide.
I thought Gillard could have been more gracious towards Ferguson et al and for unity held them in their positions rather than yeah righto fuck off then...such is the nature of things, could have been handled better for a more warm personality that punters would have thought better of her, now she is seen as ruthless..
Perhaps Gillard and the new team can govern with unity, and it all goes well for her, what we do know is the killing off of Rudd paid a heavy penalty..and Rudd would have to be carried in on a sedan chair with the party bellowing hail to Kev before he makes any sort of comeback, and certainly it isn't over yet for Gillard....difficult as it is Keating was in a worse poll position and still won the 1993 election...yah never know your luck.
To be sure I don't like the way the party has acted since Rudds downfall it has been all childish sand pit behaviour that leaves one unimpressed to think they should govern at all...then 6mnths is a long time in politics perhaps faith can be restored...a wait and see what happens.
Asylum seekers are back on the agenda...the leadership spill is old news now..
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Post by caskur on Mar 27, 2013 17:34:38 GMT 10
Rudd wanted to increase Oz population to 40 mil...
he hasn't got a hope in hell of ever being in charge again.
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Post by pim on Mar 28, 2013 4:23:32 GMT 10
Australia reaching a population of 40 million and more by mid-century has got absolutely nothing to do with Kevin Rudd and everything to do with demographic trends and rates of population increase going back over more than 100 years.
Australia's population has been increasing by a million every 4-5 years entirely without Kevin Rudd's help and it will go on doing so under an Abbott Government and beyond. All Kevin Rudd did was respond to some ABS projections about Australian population levels by 2050 by observing that he was OK with a "big Australia". At which the Liberals and the Murdoch Press threw their hands up in horror and shrieked "OMG Kevin Rudd has a secret policy to blow out Australia's population to unsustainable levels!"
Now on this thread I expressed the hope to Spindrift that Chicken Kev might morph into Moses Kev when Labor does its Wyle E Coyote running-over-the-cliff act this September. Moses had this magic staff which could do all sorts of cool things like part the Red Sea, bring down manna from heaven, protect the Hebrews from Egyptian pursuers by drowning them in that same Red Sea, turn into a snake, eat other snakes and then back into a staff again. But nowhere in the Book of Exodus does it mention any phallic role for Moses' magic staff. It didn't impregnate any Hebrew women and, if there was a population explosion among the Hebrews as they trekked across the wilderness (and I don't know that there was) you can't hang that one on Moses and his magic staff.
And when Australia reaches the year 2050 with a population of 40 million (at least! and probably more!) nobody is going to say "Bloody Kevin Rudd! It was all his fault!" And they won't blame Tony Abbott or Julia Gillard either.
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Post by caskur on Mar 28, 2013 9:31:09 GMT 10
no it won't... no one is stupid enough to keep breeding!
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Post by pim on Mar 28, 2013 9:39:37 GMT 10
OK so I was right then. It isn't about Kevin Rudd. He doesn't have a magic staff that impregnates women and causes a population explosion, and as for the parting-the-Red-Sea party trick, fergeddit! Charlton Heston he ain't!  |
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