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Post by caskur on Mar 24, 2013 21:51:41 GMT 10
Ok.. a pod of 5.... their diet is seals too.. so for them to be moving towards us, their usual hunting ground must be fished out... very sad... not a good thing for them either.
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Post by pim on Mar 25, 2013 9:55:26 GMT 10
Sharks are integral part of the marine environment....humans raping and pillaging the seas are not. Not so sure about that - and I don't mean by that that it's OK to fish the oceans to extinction of particular fish species or to use the oceans as a global garbage dump. But one of the problems I have with Green ideological correctness is that at its more extreme ends they see humans as an infestation. That we don't inhabit the planet, we infest it. It's a view I reject. Much as rats, if they could think and reason, would reject their classification as "vermin". But rats have this difference - they proliferate in response to prevailing conditions. For example, the fact that corpses were allowed to decay in No Man's Land during trench warfare in WW1 because crossfire between the opposing lines of trenches made the job of recovering the bodies of fallen comrades impossible resulted in a population explosion of rats. Rats don't create the conditions that allow them to proliferate, but humans do. The more ideologically hidebound of the Greens - and not all of them are like that - view modern industrialised humans as "vermin", but the hunter/gatherer indigenous cultures as part of the native flora & fauna, living in a Rousseau-esque idyll. A type of "Man-Before-The-Fall" that Milton wrote about in his Paradise Lost. This of course is just as patronising, racist and offensive as their view that industrial urban cultures constitute an infestation is wrong-headed and stupid. I strive to eat fish at least once a week. I don't go out to Glenelg Jetty and "sustainably" catch the fish I eat by baiting a hook, casting a line and waiting for some passing hapless fish to take the bite that condemns it to death. No, I select a couple of fillets from the range on display at my local fisho who, doubtless, acquires his stock from the outfits here in Adelaide who fish the Southern Ocean on an industrial scale. And what's more I do so with not a twinge of conscience nor a frisson of guilt. But what about these pre-industrial humans? The sorts of humans Bob Brown might regard as "fauna" rather than as "people"? How "sustainable" was their fishing? Or rather how "industrial" was their fishing? Apparently it was a lot more industrial than Bob Brown might think! Not Sarah Hanson-Young because she's clueless. Ever read Geoff Blainey's Triumph of the Nomads? It's a very interesting book in which Blainey attempts to reconstruct the economies and lifestyles of pre-contact Australian Aborigines, when they had the continent to themselves. They tended to fish more in inland waterways or estuaries since their bark canoes couldn't handle the sea. They knew where the fish were and they knew how to trap them in large numbers. I've seen their nets in the museum in Adelaide. But what about pre-industrial Europeans? Our ancestors? The word "fish" as both a noun and a verb is derived from a word in the ancestor language of all European languages. That goes so far back as to be lost in the mists of time. Clearly, we humans have been raping and pillaging the planet's waterways for a long time. In fact the very word for our language "English" is derived from the name of the original rapists and pillagers, Anglo/Saxons, who raped and pillaged Roman Britain until it became Angle-land and the indigenous Celtic languages were replaced by a collection of Germanic dialects that went by the generic term "Anglish". What's another word for "fishing"? Angling! Who were the Angles back in their Germanic homeland? Coastal people. What was a mainstay of their economy? Fishing ... or angling if you prefer. They were called "Angles" because they were anglers. What's the modern German word for "fishing"? angeln. Human beings raping and pillaging the marine environment has been an integral part of nature ever since not long after an ape descended from a tree in Africa and set out across the savannah, and his descendants gradually lost that shambling knuckle-dragging gait and became bipedal. In fact, 'tis said that the less vegetarian the diet, and the more that diet contained meat and fish, the more we evolved into humans.
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Post by garfield on Mar 25, 2013 10:29:33 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 12:26:09 GMT 10
Someone who values Conservation of the natural environment is not pertinent to must be Green Party Green, people from all walks of life share the love of things au natural and Conservation values. Labeling someone Green merely too discredit them is also false dichotomy. What ever fishing habits the the indigenous folk used certainly did not wipe a species of marine fauna off the planet or to so little left there is no bounce back, such as Gemfish, discovered in the 70's near gone by the 90's, in 20 years of fishing at unsustainable levels...as many species of Australia's fauna has become. The Grey Nurse shark near hunted to extinction...if not for spearfishers turned Conservationist Ben Cropp, Ron and Val Taylor, and I'm that type of Greenie if you don't mind. The ideology of endless harvest is a whiteman misconception, largely brought about by religious doctrine...."Gods Endless Bounty"..well thats bullshit Pim as much of your post was.
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Post by caskur on Mar 25, 2013 19:05:26 GMT 10
The Grey Nurse shark near hunted to extinction...if not for spearfishers turned Conservationist Ben Cropp, Ron and Val Taylor, and I'm that type of Greenie if you don't mind. You have to get over the Grey Nurse Shark dilemma .... we've moved on from that... They were right for THEIR time but that no longer is the situation.
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Post by garfield on Mar 25, 2013 19:40:20 GMT 10
Apparently global warming is going to kill everything anyway so might as well get into the sea food while we can
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