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Post by sonex on Mar 6, 2013 14:15:18 GMT 10
If they were hung, we could bring back the custom of allowing the relatives of the person hung to pull on his legs to hasten the procedure. Then it could be advertised as a family show.
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Post by caskur on Mar 6, 2013 14:19:38 GMT 10
Hmmm ... a bit of gore makes for a good spectacle. Apparently they put a nappy on a condemned prisoner before the execution 'coz when ya die your muscles go limp and you evacuate yourself. So it isn't just blood that flows ... It's the ghoulish aspect that was supposed to convey the moral message in days of yore. You approached the outskirts of a town and the first thing you saw was bodies left to rot on the gallows where they'd been left hanging. Stipendium peccavi mors est is the moral lesson - the wages of sin is death. They took it seriously! I wouldn't sanitise it too much. Kinda defeats the purpose! Back in the days when they were into drawing & quartering after hanging some poor reprobate they definitely believed that gore was an essential ingredient. We could have all of that on the TV show, with the advantage that the mums & dads at home could rest secure in the knowledge that the kiddies wouldn't be exposed to the smell ... Mind you I think the point o it all was spectacle rather than morals ... Well, there is such a thing as an under water camera... people love the thought of watching a shark devour someone... even kids. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 14:39:48 GMT 10
Do you mean “hung” as in WELL HUNG (ie....big penis), or do you mean HANGED as in strung up with a noose around their neck?
There IS a difference! 
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Post by caskur on Mar 6, 2013 14:40:06 GMT 10
I wouldn't sanitise it too much. ... I tell you what is sanitized .... "rape" and "rape and murder" Instead of using those neat and tidy little words on the public, including children, detailed descriptions would be better. There would be no one complaining about the death penalty then....they'd be demanding it! |
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Post by sonex on Mar 6, 2013 15:44:13 GMT 10
Do you mean “hung” as in WELL HUNG (ie....big penis), or do you mean HANGED as in strung up with a noose around their neck?
There IS a difference! I'm not sure Kiwi, I think both are permissible, although "hanged" does sound better, now you've pointed it out. Oxford dictionary says.... "In modern English hang has two past tense and past participle forms: hanged and hung. Hung is the normal form in most general uses, e.g. they hung out the washing; she hung around for a few minutes; he had hung the picture over the fireplace, but hanged is the form normally used in reference to execution by hanging: the prisoner was hanged. The reason for this distinction is a complex historical one: hanged, the earlier form, was superseded by hung sometime after the 16th century; it is likely that the retention of hanged for the execution sense may have to do with the tendency of archaic forms to remain in the legal language of the courts." |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 15:49:35 GMT 10
i think that when there is no doubt and when there is a crime so gut wrenching that people are outraged and we know for sure and certain beyond any doubt at all the death penalty is appropriate I was against it for many years - my mind has changed
1. All executions must be able to be seen by the public. They must be televised on free-to-air television. If the government are going to judicially kill citizens on behalf of other citizens, then those other citizens should be allowed to watch what is being carried out on behalf of them.
2. If it is ever proven that an innocent person has been put to death, then the same eye-for-an-eye and tooth-for-a-tooth principal should apply to those responsible. ie....all investigating police officers, the prosecuting lawyers, the judge and the jury involved should be subject to a mandatory death penalty carried out on them. That would really focus their minds on absolutely getting it right and not killing an innocent person at pain of suffering the same fate themselves. |
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 16:14:22 GMT 10
Buzz! You demand 'em, you watch 'em!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 16:15:32 GMT 10
Carrying out an execution in secret, hidden away behind prison walls is the equivalent of admitting there is something dirty & shameful about it that means it is a dirty, sordid secret. Which means there is no deterent. Carrying it out publicly IS a deterent because people can see what happens.
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 16:27:35 GMT 10
From Newgate Prison the condemned prisoners were conveyed in open carts along Holban, St Giles and Tyburn Road (now Oxford Street) to the Tyburn Tree. The procession would stop several times, including at the Old Bailey in Newgate Street and the Bowl Inn in St Giles. At these places the condemned prisoner would be offered wine. Five children under fourteen were executed before 1800. However, of the 103 children sentenced to death for theft at the Old Bailey between 1801 and 1836, all were reprieved. Of the 1,232 people hanged at Tyburn between 1703 and 1792, only 92 were women. It has been estimated that 90% of all those executed were young men aged under 21. Most Mondays a crowd of around 10,000 people attended the executions at Tyburn. When the case had received a lot of publicity, numbers could reach 50,000. When Arthur Thistlewood and the Cato Street conspirators was executed at Newgate in 1820, an estimated 100,000 watched the proceedings www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/LONtyburn.htm William Hogarth, Execution at Tyburn (1747)They reckon it was the best show in town back then! |
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Post by caskur on Mar 6, 2013 18:12:13 GMT 10
in those times in the Uk, the authorities were deplorable scum.
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Post by garfield on Mar 6, 2013 18:47:50 GMT 10
If you ever want to see a really interesting doco about the death penalty try and get a copy of the movie below, its a story about the execution of a murderer and they interview everyone involved including the victims family, the perpetrators family, the cops, an executioner, friends and rellies, and just about everyone else involved in one way or another, a really fascinating insight. www.imdb.com/title/tt1972663/ |
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Post by caskur on Mar 6, 2013 19:12:20 GMT 10
I saw a black man who fried many of the death row crims.
He said they don't suffer at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 2:55:54 GMT 10
in those times in the Uk, the authorities were deplorable scum. And you'd be an expert on that ! |
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Post by matt on Mar 7, 2013 12:44:51 GMT 10
oops!  Is that what daddy used to circumcise you? |
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Post by caskur on Mar 7, 2013 13:27:38 GMT 10
I saw a black man who fried many of the death row crims. He said they don't suffer at all. View The Green Mile again. I'll get my info from actual witnesses not from movies out of Hollyweird. you should do the same! |
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Post by caskur on Mar 7, 2013 16:16:01 GMT 10
they're dead way before their heads explode...
doh!~
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 19:30:32 GMT 10
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Post by caskur on Mar 7, 2013 19:59:33 GMT 10
let's bring out violins.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 21:50:35 GMT 10
The opinions of racist bigots hold no value.
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