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Post by fat on Mar 2, 2013 7:55:43 GMT 10
You use the word invalidate so often of recent weeks but I am not sure you use it correctly. (Perhaps Pim can run his trained eye over this and correct my glaring mistake if I am wrong)
You say "XYZ is truth but you invalidate that"
This would mean that what you declared to be truth is now invalid simply by the disagreement of the other person (or in the strictest reading - just by their very existence).
I believe what you actually mean is that the person declares or believes what you have stated to be invalid.
This could possibly be better explained but I'd rather your arguments stand or fall by their own merit rather than a snicker at the use of language.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 2, 2013 10:48:52 GMT 10
Invalidation is the weapon of the Narcissist. I always figured narcissists were infatuated with themselves to even care or consider what other people think. Describes Buzz, more than anyone else. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 2, 2013 10:54:08 GMT 10
nar·cis·sist [nahr-suh-sist] Show IPA
noun
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a person who is overly self-involved, and often vain and selfish.
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Psychoanalysis . a person who suffers from narcissism, deriving erotic gratification from admiration of his or her own physical or mental attributes.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 2, 2013 10:58:01 GMT 10
the character assassin is the tool of the Narcissist - and that is you. And Narcissists also are projection machines - like you. If that is true, why are YOU the one using labels? -Just sayin'. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 2, 2013 11:02:34 GMT 10
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Post by fat on Mar 2, 2013 12:24:00 GMT 10
Buzz - you obviously did not read what I wrote. <sigh>
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Post by fat on Mar 2, 2013 18:37:21 GMT 10
Buzz - I am sure you have not.
Example 1) A scientific theory is postulated and believed to be true until a new discovery proves it to be invalid - the old theory is no longer valid. The atom is the smallest particle was proved invalid by the discovery of protons and neutrons and electrons. They were the smallest particle thought to exist until further discoveries found smaller particles.
Example 2) You say something and some one disagrees - you say they have invalidated it. Unless they have proved you wrong, what you said is still as valid as when you said it. They have not invalidated it.
I am trying to help here Buzz.
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Post by fat on Mar 3, 2013 1:38:33 GMT 10
Buzz - you still aren't getting it - I'll leave you to it - I tried.  |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 3, 2013 2:17:06 GMT 10
fat, I gave up long ago.
Buzz doesn't accept correction.
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Post by jody on Mar 3, 2013 12:45:28 GMT 10
well imo we all must be guilty of "invalidation" as WE ALL DO IT TO OTHERS!!
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Post by fat on Mar 4, 2013 22:05:34 GMT 10
Buzz - I took particular care NOT to comment on the content of your posts - the use of 'invalidate' was my concern.
Any insult or judgement on your beliefs which you may perceive was not intentional nor stated in any way
I certainly try not to be despicable to anyone - whether or not I agree with them - I come to boards such as this to discuss with friends, not to make enemies.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 5, 2013 9:42:21 GMT 10
This is just for clarification, Buzz: (seeking clarity--not to humiliate)
As I understand it, you are saying anyone who disagrees with you, or 'rejects' or 'judges' ie: (*thinks about, or critiques*) your assertions, is 'invalidating' (*sic*) you in some way.
So in your mind, the only way to avoid being a 'narcissist', is to agree with you without question, correct?
Well, wouldn't that mean you are 'invalidating' (*sic*) everyone who hasn't arrived at the same conclusion you have?
Thus making you a 'narcissist' under the very terms you've defined it?
I just want to be certain where the standard lies, since it seems to me that you are only using a handy 'ad hominem' to set the goalposts in your favour.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 6, 2013 9:44:10 GMT 10
You dismiss my position on Zoroastrianism as nonsense despite the fact that experts and scholars have made that reality plain for over 100 years. Might I point out, it's not a position universally held by all scholars, Buzz? So renaming me 'Dip' based on your inclinations about religion, and continuing to ridicule me about exorcisms is dandy. But naming you 'foil hat' (appropriately) based on your UFO claims, is not? You've done the same to others. In fact, I would go so far as to say that you reject most evidences we've offered, out-of-hand. "Bollocks" as you commonly respond with, while it remains doubtful of whether you considered other's opinions at all. Fine. But what have you been doing for that last 5 or so topical posts? Claiming that I am a 'narcissist', wasn't it? --Are you a doctor, Buzz? Who gave you the credentials to make that call? You admitted to me that you had PTSD, which is a certified mental condition. I at least have your own words, (your words, not mine.) to fall back on. Then I invite you to 'be the change' you want to see. Otherwise, turn-about is fair play. |
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 11:52:20 GMT 10
Cor blimey, Buzz, you live in the wrong century, mate! Are you sure you aren't some sort of reincarnation of Thomas Becket? Now that guy really knew how to pronounce an anathema on people he disapproved of! Like in this scene where Richard Burton does a splendid job of portraying Becket excommunicating Lord Gilbert. Now that is you, mate! Awesome!  You've missed your calling!  |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 6, 2013 12:28:53 GMT 10
Might I point out, it's not a position universally held by all scholars, Buzz?Yes it is. Oh really? So you can substantiate this: That EVERY scholar holds to this belief? I welcome you in your attempt. It will be a difficult endeavour. I'm afraid it is, and you know it. Otherwise you wouldn't have used it. Stop being disingenuous! I wasn't alone in my experience either, so my word is as valid as yours. The 'projection' claim is just goalpost moving and you know it, Buzz. It's a convenient little paradigm you've used to absolve yourself of the ethical standard you apply to others. You say projection, I say HYPOCRISY. No, you have an ad hominem, and you CLAIM to have it on authority. At best it's hearsay, at worst you're a liar. Good. Tell them you need your meds adjusted. Any competent psychologist knows psychological evaluations are based on habitual behavior. They wouldn't be able to determine this from posts on a forum. So you are either overstating, or lying, or both. I've studied psychology, Buzz. You aren't going to fool me on this. More lies, but do go on. If I didn't have empathy, I wouldn't be corresponding with you. One has to have strong feelings about something in order to be motivated to argue for it. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 6, 2013 19:12:52 GMT 10
Textbook narcissism from the Dip. Its a waste of time even communicating with a narcissist let alone trying to argue with one. Your first point - I refer you to LH Mills. It is irrefutable that Judaism is a corruption of Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrians in the Persian Period changed the language, history, theology and alphabet of the Jews. This is widely known and understood. That the religions do not teach this shows them to be dishonest in the extreme. But of course you cling to your false beliefs even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary so you are a waste of time and nothing can be taught to you. Your communications with me show no empathy, only invalidation and devaluation - and if you had studied psychology you would not need me to explain all that. The very fact that you never so much as concede a single point in a debate shows your Narcissism clearly. Your belief that you exorcised a demon shows your delusions as does your extreme religiosity and ferver with the false cult of Christianity. You are not worth even trying to communicate with because you are beyond help. A convenient fall-back position, of a person who has no justifiable or logical basis for defense. You can villainize me with whatever label you like, even if you are the only one who believes it. After all, it it couldn't be YOU, with the problem, right? It's everyone else, who's wrong.  |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 6, 2013 19:54:56 GMT 10
Yep. Grab your pail and leave the sandbox.
Everyone else is the problem.
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Post by pim on Mar 6, 2013 20:15:45 GMT 10
It is pointless even trying to deal with you - this communication is terminated. We've heard that one before! And we'll believe it when we see it!  |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 9, 2013 0:03:50 GMT 10
- I have company here with me looking at your posts and your constant devaluation and invalidation, and the fact you cannot ever concede so much as a single point and how pointless it is to try to even argue with you, and your religiosity. I see. And how long have you been seeing this 'company'? Do they tell you to burn things, or hurt yourself? Have they ever invited you up to their spacecraft? Do they also have degrees in psychology?  |
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Post by caskur on Mar 9, 2013 8:25:31 GMT 10
nar·cis·sist [nahr-suh-sist] Show IPA noun 1. a person who is overly self-involved, and often vain and selfish. 2. Psychoanalysis . a person who suffers from narcissism, deriving erotic gratification from admiration of his or her own physical or mental attributes. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D He was born in the year of the Horse... he craves attention.  another way of thought.... "show pony" |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 9, 2013 12:45:23 GMT 10
You are devaluing narcissists. What does that make you, Buzz? Just because a person has a condition, that doesn't automatically make their views invalid. It's shameful that you'd trivialize someone's illness to save face on your losing end of the argument. You are without empathy. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 9, 2013 12:52:06 GMT 10
You say projection, I say denial.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 9, 2013 13:31:51 GMT 10
That isn't really an invalidation, Buzz.
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 9, 2013 13:42:23 GMT 10
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 9, 2013 15:11:17 GMT 10
So are you saying I'm right or wrong?
If you are saying I'm wrong, you must be the narcissist
If you are saying I am right, then you affirm what I posted.
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You've missed your calling! 
