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Post by jody on Feb 21, 2013 20:38:19 GMT 10
oh Buzz....you will say anything to bait people.  |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 23, 2013 22:24:58 GMT 10
Jesus the self fathered Zombie said: Matthew 21:22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for So when someone dies Veritas just has to say a mumbo jumbo to a self fathered Zombie and they will come back to life. But only if he believes. But no matter how hard he tries they will not come back to life. And that means he doesn't believe - he is an Atheist. Prove me wrong - go raise a stiff. If you can't it means you really don't believe. And you can't. 1. The verse in question was to be taken as Hyperbole. 2. Matthew was written in a Hebrew context. John added the qualifying phrase, "according to his will" (1 John 5:14-15)-- a qualifier that would have been unnecessary for Jesus' Jewish audience. 3. If you really are so certain that Christianity is a flawed worldview, then make sure you have a solid understanding of what it teaches |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Feb 24, 2013 13:30:44 GMT 10
My point has been sufficiently made.
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Post by fat on Feb 26, 2013 11:04:22 GMT 10
say a mumbo jumbo
Sounds more like Witchcraft than Christianity Buzz.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 20:11:13 GMT 10
Jesus the self fathered Zombie said: Matthew 21:22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for So when someone dies Veritas just has to say a mumbo jumbo to a self fathered Zombie and they will come back to life. But only if he believes. But no matter how hard he tries they will not come back to life. And that means he doesn't believe - he is an Atheist. Prove me wrong - go raise a stiff. If you can't it means you really don't believe. And you can't. I don't believe in Jesus either, so what's your point. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2013 20:24:31 GMT 10
Its a public forum, Bubbles, your posts are open to anyone to respond to.
Ya dont like it, stiff chedda
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 1, 2013 11:15:40 GMT 10
well prayers to an invisible power to perform magic, together with the ritualised eating of human flesh and drinking human blood, pluss burning non believers at the stake and the rape of children is witch craft. That is the history of the Zombie worship called Christianity. None of the magic ever works and none of the prayers answered and no dead has been brought to life. There will be no second coming and no grasshoppers that sting for 5 months. If you read Revelation its clear Christianity is nothing more than a Mushroom Cult involving Zombies and eating magic Mushrooms. Straw men and distortions. Do you have anything further to add? |
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Post by pim on Mar 1, 2013 11:22:58 GMT 10
well prayers to an invisible power to perform magic, together with the ritualised eating of human flesh and drinking human blood, pluss burning non believers at the stake and the rape of children is witch craft. That is the history of the Zombie worship called Christianity. None of the magic ever works and none of the prayers answered and no dead has been brought to life. There will be no second coming and no grasshoppers that sting for 5 months. If you read Revelation its clear Christianity is nothing more than a Mushroom Cult involving Zombies and eating magic Mushrooms. Straw men and distortions. Do you have anything further to add? No, just more of the same tedious bullshit. |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 1, 2013 11:50:46 GMT 10
It's flamebait, pim.
He wants a negative response so he can justify his intolerance in his own mind.
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Post by pim on Mar 1, 2013 12:37:35 GMT 10
Actually Buzz accidentally stumbles upon a valid point in his None of the magic ever works and none of the prayers answered. The trouble is you have to strip away a lot of extraneous dross to get at it. But never mind, this is NTB where dross is always welcome.
I have a problem with the notion that, say, evangelical Christian fundamentalists of the US variety have with "prayer". I think Buzz's description work in their case because they mumble their prayers as a type of magic spell.
To give an example: the other night on Australian public television there was a (UK) Channel 4 program on Sarah Palin. I didn't watch it all because I'm not interested enough in Sarah Palin to devote a full hour & a half of my life to watching a program about her. Anyhow what I did pick up was her relationship with the religious fundamentalists of the US Tea Party. These are the people, and we saw it in the program, whose response to the news that someone they know is gay is to place themselves in the path of that person by forming a "prayer circle" and telling him "we're praying for you". This is not an act of love or of concern for that individual's welfare, this is part of a campaign of harassment and vilification. The gay person has been singled out and is now a target. Another expression I heard from these nutcases on the extreme fringe of Christian fundamentalism was to deal with an issue by "praying it away".
What all this means to me, and my training has been in linguistics so I do come at it as an applied linguist, is that when you hear the language that these people use when talking about "prayer", and it's particularly evident in the way Matt talks about it, they see prayer as a way of tapping into some sort of cosmic energy source and of harnessing and deploying it for their own purposes. It's what I've heard a highly respected Australian Catholic priest and theologian (Paul Collins) call "cheap grace". You could also call it "manipulating God" which if you're a believing Christian sounds rather blasphemous.
I'd always been taught that prayer is not a series of magic spells that you utter or a wish list that you give to God as if he were Santa Claus, rather that it's done in the hope of getting just that little bit closer to God. Personally I find it difficult - but I don't want it to be "easy".
How can I put this? In what spirit should one approach the business of "prayer". With a humble and a contrite heart, of course, as the old hymn sings, but what else?
Think of what JFK said in his Inaugural Address "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". Substitute "God" for "your country".
Now that's hard. Thus far it eludes me. Music helps - the old liturgical stuff, not the modern "pop" rubbish.
But the fundamentalist US Christian extremists seem to approach prayer as if it's all about "ask God what he can do for you". That can't be right. So I find myself agreeing with Buzz when he scoffs that the "magic never works and the prayers don't get answered".
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 1, 2013 12:37:41 GMT 10
None of the magic ever works and none of the prayers answered and no dead has been brought to life. Matthew 21:22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask forThere will be no second coming and no grasshoppers that sting for 5 months. Revelation 9:3-10Nobody has ever raised the dead or healed the sick with prayers and there are no such things a demons. You certainly cannot heal lepers with prayers to a Zombie. Matthew 10:8Christianity is false - and you Pim are the tedious bullshitter. Christianity comes from Judaism, and it is irrefutable that Judaism is a corruption of Zoroastrianism. The churches and all the religious nutbags like Veritas do not teach that because they are liars.  |
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Post by Occam's Spork on Mar 1, 2013 12:41:50 GMT 10
But the fundamentalist US Christian extremists seem to approach prayer as if it's all about "ask God what he can do for you". That can't be right. So I find myself agreeing with Buzz when he scoffs that the "magic never works and the prayers don't get answered". I can't help but agree with you, Pim. But agree that this a western notion. That isn't how the Early Christians, born into a Jewish Culture would have understood it. |
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Post by fat on Mar 2, 2013 7:40:08 GMT 10
Very good post Pim.
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