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Post by tam on Jan 23, 2013 11:19:36 GMT 10
Total emissions from the electricity sector in the December half were 7.5 million tonnes lower than in the same half of 2011.
Of cause they would be. Power bills have risen so people are cutting down on their usage. Because of this, some powerstations are turning off generators so it is costing the same to generate less electricity.
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Post by garfield on Jan 23, 2013 12:16:52 GMT 10
The real impact its had is on pensioners and the low income earners as they swelter through Australias hot Summers no longer able to afford to run their air conditioners.
Of course the other useless side effect is that it gives air heads like Earl and Gillard a euphoric feeling that they've saved the planet when in actual fact they've achieved 2/10ths of fuck all!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 13:02:32 GMT 10
Actually, the best effect is the one which gets up Garfield's clacker and causes him to spout SHIT! 
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Post by garfield on Jan 23, 2013 15:19:30 GMT 10
You really shouldn't show your face in any climate related threads, its already been proven beyond doubt that you have absolutely no idea about the subject.
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Post by jody on Jan 23, 2013 15:39:21 GMT 10
We just had a heat wave and my parents aged 70 and 71 didn't even use their air con due to how much electricity it costs to run it....instead they sat in a dark house and tried to stay cool using cold water. Yes usage has dropped but we will see older people getting very ill and dying from heat stress.....guess they just don't matter too much, they're old after all. :/
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Post by garfield on Jan 23, 2013 16:46:21 GMT 10
The pensioners of Australia have made a sacrifice just so that Gillard can go and parade around in front of her UN flunky mates and say look at moi, look at moi, I've reduced carbon pollution, look at moi, even though its been proven that the idiots best efforts are likely to only see a 1 thousand of a degree change in temperature over a hundred year period.
Its all about image not any practical result.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 23, 2013 18:09:56 GMT 10
You really shouldn't show your face in any climate related threads, its already been proven beyond doubt that you have absolutely no idea about the subject. Mirror - meet pot and kettle. ;D |
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Post by garfield on Jan 23, 2013 18:36:22 GMT 10
You're out of your depth here sonny, and no ones going to throw you a floatie when you start to drown either ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 19:21:25 GMT 10
Electricty prices have been soaring regardless of the crabon tax....the biggest cost is due to state governments gouging with the electricty companies with gold plating of power poles.
If conservatives wish to debate current affairs the idea is to be informed instead of running with Abbotts propaganda 'Oh golly gosh its all the carbon tax fault it just makes the RW look like dumb fucks..which ain't hard.
New plan could help families save $250 a year on power
by: Samantha Maiden
From:The Sunday Times
December 01, 20127:50PM
Prime Minister Julia Gillard will today announce a plan to stop the "gold plating" or overinvestment in poles and wires that has led to electricity price hikes.
FAMILIES could save up to $250 a year on electricity bills under a plan to give consumers greater choice and the power to question skyrocketing prices.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard will announce today a plan to stop the "gold plating", or overinvestment in poles and wires that has led to big price hikes, and to develop new independent national reliability standards.
For the first time, a Consumer Challenge Panel will be established to ensure consumers can question electricity network businesses about the gold plating.
Flexible, time-of-use prices that reward households for running appliances overnight and pay large companies to cut energy use during peak periods will deliver savings to all users.
The Prime Minister also will announce a new $23 million investment to increase funding for the Australian Energy Regulator to better resource the "cop on the beat" for consumers.
The proposals will be debated with state premiers at Friday's Council of Australian Governments Meeting. While the states have fought a strong campaign against the impact of the carbon tax on power bills, Ms Gillard will argue it is the gold plating issue that has delivered the biggest hit to consumers.
"Australian families are under too much pressure from their electricity bills that states keep increasing," Ms Gillard told The Sunday Times.
"They need action to cut their bills. This plan will give real help to every home.
"Australians have paid too much for too long due to the gold plating of networks and overinvestment in poles and wires."
While the introduction of the carbon tax has increased electricity bills by 9 per cent on average this year, most families have secured compensation to help cover the cost.
However, electricity prices have risen by about 50 per cent over the past four years and the overinvestment in poles and wires is the biggest contributor.
Consumer watchdog Choice said all users were paying a heavy premium to build enough capacity into the system to cover times of peak demands over summer.
"Networks have invested $11 billion in infrastructure to cover demand that lasts for four hot days a year," Choice head of campaigns Matt Levey said.
"So on the peak of a summer's day, when we are all turning on our airconditioners and watching the cricket, we've actually built a whole electricity network to deal with those demands.
"It's like building a 10-storey car park at a Westfield even though people are using it once a month and the rest of the time it's empty."
However Mr Levey said the answer did not have to include families sweltering with the airconditioner turned off over summer.
"The majority of electricity is used by industry. A business could say, 'We've got an opportunity to wind down for these few hours'," he said.
"For householders it would be running appliances overnight. "It's about doing it smarter."
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Post by garfield on Jan 24, 2013 0:43:23 GMT 10
The true cost of crazy green schemes is about 30% of a power bill, theres the carbon tax but theres also a lot of other charges like the solar panel rort and the useless wind mills.
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Post by geopol on Jan 24, 2013 5:43:36 GMT 10
Bullshit as usual!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 6:34:22 GMT 10
Germany has 20% of its electricty made from renewable energy and increasing because it is in the long run the most cost effective measure for energy.
It is cheaper to intice people to have solar power on their roofs and subsidise that than building a nuclear power station.
Though the French are building a 'Fusion; power plant spending billions ...so far no one has been able to crack this cold nuclear power theory, brilliant if they do, but its a long shot and many a scientist has tried and failed.
Hydrogen fuel will become a greater energy source, as the technology is already the infrastructure has to be built, which can be done.
Fossil fuels is a finite dinosaur technology that is polluting the skies,changing the climate, only the conservatives think it is u beaut technology and CO2 is great stuff....poor deluded fools and why Garfie has to resort to bullshit.
And he knows it bulllshit yet he and the conservatives will stick to their guns, so miners and energy companies can maintain their profits.
Which is dumb eonomically and lacks vision for the future where nations are ditching the ol' technology for the new renewable's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 6:36:40 GMT 10
Total emissions from the electricity sector in the December half were 7.5 million tonnes lower than in the same half of 2011. Of cause they would be. Power bills have risen so people are cutting down on their usage. Which was the point of the whole thing to begin with. |
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Post by jody on Jan 24, 2013 10:18:48 GMT 10
How about you get yourself some empathy for those who do matter
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Post by jody on Jan 24, 2013 10:28:43 GMT 10
Even if it is 10% phil, that's a lot for pensioners to pay. You clearly have no idea regarding reality.
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Post by garfield on Jan 24, 2013 11:07:48 GMT 10
Its not just the carbon tax, the poor also have to cough up for the well off to buy solar panels, the true cost is 30% of a power bill going to useless green schemes.
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Post by slartibartfast on Jan 24, 2013 13:40:24 GMT 10
You're out of your depth here sonny, and no ones going to throw you a floatie when you start to drown either ;D Please feel free to comment again when your IQ exceeds your shoe size. ;D |
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Post by Lord Stockton on Feb 2, 2013 21:58:52 GMT 10
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'For the first time, a Consumer Challenge Panel will be established to ensure consumers can question
electricity network businesses about the gold plating.
Flexible, time-of-use prices that reward households for running appliances overnight and pay large companies to cut energy use during peak periods will deliver savings to all users'
I suggest very few consumers would know 'gold plating' even when they went looking for it. EG ETSA (here in SA) put in a new line of poles down my street. So what? Am I going to be able to review the contract to supply & install those poles to see if the price was fair? I am not a senior linesman, so how would I know if those new poles are technically needed or not?
As a consumer am I going to change the time I eat tea from 6-30pm to 9-00pm to get cheaper rates? Those families with kids (at school or otherwise) need to eat at what ever time suits them, not at some later hour just because Julia says so.
Like the fuel watch, the grocery watch, of 2008 & 2009 all undeliverable promises.
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Post by pim on Feb 4, 2013 13:27:18 GMT 10
Its not just the carbon tax, the poor also have to cough up for the well off to buy solar panels, the true cost is 30% of a power bill going to useless green schemes. Slarti, Earl, HG, Spindrift ... give it up! I find it amusing that you actually try to debate this guy. I keep telling him that his attitude to climate change, global warming and any government policy response to it is the same as the attitude of religious nutjobs like Matt and Skippy to homosexuals: they think that gays are just guys who haven't met the right girl yet. It's kinda why I think that somewhere deep inside Garfield lurks ("lurks"? Nah! "seethes" is probably a better term!) a god-botherer who's just busting to get out. To "prove" that global warming or climate change is happening Garfield needs "evidence" - like a whale swallowing Jonah, or Moses parting the Red Sea. Y'know! Facts!!!  Garfield belongs to that hilarious bunch who cling to the idea that the world is flat and was created by a man in the sky in 7 days, that the moon landings were fake, that Elvis is alive and well and sings in a pub in Victor Harbor, and that smoking is good for you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 20:22:54 GMT 10
Its not just the carbon tax, the poor also have to cough up for the well off to buy solar panels, the true cost is 30% of a power bill going to useless green schemes. All this from the man who whinges that the rich have to pay tax ;D Gotta lurve irony |
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